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(Original Air Date: 04/03/06) Marri and Jessica both want to confront their mothers, who they say were neglectful and abusive during their childhoods. Marri has put up with her mother, Marilyn's, addiction to crack cocaine for 18 years, and she's ready to shut her mom out of her life for good if she doesn't admit she has a problem and seek help for it. Marilyn says her drug use is the solution, not the problem, and she can be a good mother and still smoke crack. Then, Jessica says she had to care for herself when she was a little girl. Her mother, Deana, was never around, and when she was, she was bringing strange men home for sex. In a ploy for attention, Deana committed her daughter to a mental institution -- three times! Tired of holding in her anger, Jessica demands her mother take responsibility for what she's done. Will these daughters get some emotional closure on their painful childhoods? Share your thoughts here.

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July 16, 2006, 3:50 am PDT

Mommy Dearest,

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The writer who felt basic/baby/care 101 was the most  essential  requirement before having a child was WRONG.  Since each baby is different, what you've learned with one child may not apply to the next.  Just following the rule of keeping baby clean, dry and comfy just about covers all bases.   

   

The important issue to focus on is to love the child, put the child first.  (no martyrs please!)  If a child feels loved,  feels secure, is encouraged to learn, taught patience and love, (by example is best) .....most likely that child will grow into a confident loving adult, who hopefully will make a good parent themselves.   

   

The biggest problem is.........so many young adults have not matured enough to take care of themselves.  When they become parents, I really feel sad for the child.  I'd like to see a mandatory maturity test given BEFORE anyone can become a parent.  That would save a lot of children from having rotten memories their entire lives.  

   

 My parents were totally dysfunctional.  It took years for my brother and I to undo the emotional harm they instilled. (He was in therapy for five years.)  Fortunately  I married a stable, loving, intelligent man who through the years helped me become confident, unafraid, develop self-respect. He taught me to see the good in people.    

   

(I don't mean to imply that my husband was or acted like a psychiatrist.  He just loved me, showed me patience, taught by example.  I had no idea how to handle anger other than fly into a rage, scream, yell.  How stupid is that.  By his example of calmness, seeking to understand, to talk it out,  I am able to handle disagreements in a calm manner.)  

   

My mother always boasted to everyone how she embroidered the diapers, and went without food so I would be dressed properly.  She would tell me how she kept me so clean and neat, what  a pretty baby I was..  That I heard all my life and,  and,  how much I owed her.  My mother told me at a young age that I was adopted.  No one wanted me, so she took me, gave me a home.......even though in truth, I was her biological child.  

   

So it's not diaper skills that make a good parent, it's love and patience, respect and listening.  If all parents had more of that, what a sweeter, kinder world it would be.  

   

   

   

   Dr. Phill I had viewed your show with my roommate, crackcocaine that's absurd here daughter is doing exactly what she deserves, she's got the audaucity to even do around her grand children, she's got to set her ways, or be put into an institution.  

 
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July 16, 2006, 9:30 am PDT

theyre hiding their true self

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I’ve read these posts time and time again, thought about responding but never have.  It was easier to keep my own life to myself. Scars tend to ache more if you rub at them…  I think what makes it so hard is that even though my mother was cruel, harsh and most often unloving is that few as they were, there were moments when she could be a what I needed her to be.  Never enough to ease all the times that she wasn’t but enough to make me tolerate her and hope for more.  It never came. 

She was rarely physically abusive but oh the things she would do or say to shred my heart and soul.  I often wish that she’d hit me, at least that would end.  But the words she used not only cut when she said them but did it continuously not only as they echoed in my head in her voice but as I learned to say them to myself.   

We lived with my grandmother, who was my salvation while she was alive.  She was where I learned what love should be but she died when I was 13.  I think my mom was jealous of my relationship with her mother because whenever they would get into an argument my mother would pile us three kids into the car to go for a ride while she cooled down.  She’d rant about all her life could have been if it weren’t for us kids.  Thankfully my brother and sister, being 4 and 5 years younger than me, don’t remember these rides or the details like I do.  They always ended with her driving by the children’s orphanage and telling us that we’d be living there if it wasn’t for Grandma…  Just one of so many ways that she made me feel unloved, unwanted and unworthy.  As I grew older the threats to be rid of me never ended, they just changed.  Funny too how they were always directed at me and not at my sister or brother.  I was threatened with juvenile homes, then just the streets as I grew older. 

Needless to say I had no self esteem.  I remember asking my friends why they were my friends because I could never see any value in myself and never could understand why they would want to be around me.  I look back on the person that I was then and I know just how far I have come.   

My mother spent most of the rest of her years emotionally tormenting me but through it something in me had changed.  I found value in myself.  I found my worth and I found my pity for the woman who lived such a miserable life that the only way she felt she had accomplished anything came by her devaluing those around her.  She was never going to be what I wanted or needed her to be.  She was human, flawed, and carried her own scars.  It would have been nice to have grown up in a loving whole family but I didn’t.  It’s a nice image but we’re none of us guaranteed the ideal life, we make of it what we will.  Only we have the power to make it good or bad.  I can look back now and know that as harsh as it may have been I learned some valuable lessons and skills by having to learn to cope with what had been my life. 

My mother passed away from her own neglect at the young age of 53.  She’d sworn she would never see the new century, not hard to self fulfill when you have so many health issues that you intentionally neglect managing like diabetes.  Every time she was in the hospital I was there to help where I could, including begging the health care professionals that she was committing slow suicide intentionally by doing everything she was told not to do.  I realized that the very destructive nature she’d turned on me had been turned in upon herself.  The professionals told me that they couldn’t force her to take help she hadn’t asked for herself.  That’s when I also realized that I couldn’t get from her what she couldn’t give herself.  When she died I have to admit that I felt a huge sense of relief.  I loved her and I miss her but the constant emotional rollercoaster she’d dragged me on my entire life had come to an end.  Of course the past would always been there but there would be no new pain piled on.  For the first time in my life I felt like a weight had been lifted from me because I’d somehow made myself responsible for more than I should have ever born.  I won’t say that my life is all that it should be, it has and will have a huge impact on my life everyday but I’ve learned how to survive when others would give up.  I’ve found that simple things make me happy and I work hard to see life in a positive light.  Dr. Phil is right, there’s no such thing as reality, only perception.  I choose to perceive it now much better than I’d had to live it to begin with.  It’s a work in progress.  *smile* 

The one observation that I’d most like to make is, we as humans can be cruel, history and current events prove that, but why is it that some go out of their way to be the ugliest to those whom they are supposed to love?  What twist occurs to bring about that condition? 

My mom was always the life of the party with her friends but didnt give a crap about me and my sister.  She is still like that to this DAY.  I am 38 yrs old.  I think the twist that occurs you are talking about my mom used to say "you always hurt the ones you love..."  because she knew we had unconditional love for her and her friends didnt!!!  So she never tried to impress us.  I am still angry with her and argue with her sometimes, but she ALWAYS  wins.  We went through strange men too, and always were her second priortiy.  She is on her 4th marriage, and all her energy goes into him and her dogs.  She never visits her grandkids, my oldest is 17 and she has never taken my kids anywhere just for fun.  She wont even babysit for me or my sister.  She says she did her "time" but to us she never did.  Everyone else we know their parents beg them to babysit!!!  I have a question for you if you even read this, my mom always says if I argue with her I will regret it when she dies.  I say I won't.  Because our strained relationship is HER fault.  She is SUPPOSED  to be the mother in my opinion.  Do you think i will???
 
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July 16, 2006, 10:04 am PDT

Basic instincts

I have been taught and have absorbed from the women I have admired through my 62 years, that protecting the children is a ingrown instinct.  Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to be the case where there are drugs involved.  I am afraid there is no recourse for these two brave young women but to forgive their mothers for their own sakes but to leave that portion of their life to the past.. Go on and make a good life for themselves and their children.. My father used to say " The best revenge is a  successful life". 
 
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July 16, 2006, 5:23 pm PDT

07/17 Mommy Dearest

tinameyers...message put it in a nutshell.  Unfortunately, far too many of us had mother's who chose to neglect, physically/mentally/emotionally abuse and use their children.  With the addition of meth to the mix of life destroying drugs of choice, it seems to be the rule in many areas of our nation rather than the exception.  The only beautiful thing in all this is that we too have the freedom to choose.  There is nothing we can do to undo our past.  Neither can we choose for another to change their behaviors.  Praise God...we can re-route our future.  The pain of our past is real and will always ooze out of our hearts at some level; however, when put in it's place (context), it can be utilized to create a future for ourselves and our children that will triumph over the discraceful legacy our mother's have left. 

My children are now in their early twenties.  The legacy I will leave shines brightly and will carry them through the inevitable trials and tribulations that they will face in life.  If I never do anything else of importance; I have accomplished the most important thing of all.  I have loved my children. 

 
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July 16, 2006, 5:34 pm PDT

Regrets

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My mom was always the life of the party with her friends but didnt give a crap about me and my sister.  She is still like that to this DAY.  I am 38 yrs old.  I think the twist that occurs you are talking about my mom used to say "you always hurt the ones you love..."  because she knew we had unconditional love for her and her friends didnt!!!  So she never tried to impress us.  I am still angry with her and argue with her sometimes, but she ALWAYS  wins.  We went through strange men too, and always were her second priortiy.  She is on her 4th marriage, and all her energy goes into him and her dogs.  She never visits her grandkids, my oldest is 17 and she has never taken my kids anywhere just for fun.  She wont even babysit for me or my sister.  She says she did her "time" but to us she never did.  Everyone else we know their parents beg them to babysit!!!  I have a question for you if you even read this, my mom always says if I argue with her I will regret it when she dies.  I say I won't.  Because our strained relationship is HER fault.  She is SUPPOSED  to be the mother in my opinion.  Do you think i will???
I think what you will regret is that you let her win by even entering into the arguement with her.  Why do you want her to spend time babysitting your kids?  Do you want them to feel the rejection and pain of being a second, third, fourth priority to the person that should cherish them and relish them with their love and affection?  Stay away from her....if she hurt you, don't think for a minute that she won't do the same to your kids.  Give them what you never got....first place in your life.  ...........by the way; hurting the ones you love is not loving them at all.
 
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July 16, 2006, 5:45 pm PDT

Good Job!

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I had this wonderful chance to be on the Dr Phil Show when they were trying to find the guests to be on the show but I just so happend not to check my email on the sunday that they sent it to me so I missed my chance how ever I would still like to share my story with you. I am now 21 years old and I have a mother that I no longer talk to at this point for my self and the protection of my child and the children that I will have in the future. My mother has never really cared what has been going on with my life and it has been almost three and a half years since I stopped talking to her. she is a drug addict and an alcoholic and she will not take responsibility for her actions. she is now 41 years old and since I was little all I can remember is her being with alot of men. and her doing drugs in front of me I know that she needs help but I thing that she is beyond help at this piont I have been trying to get her to realize that I have her only grandchild and she may never get to see him unless she shaps up. however she tells me that it is way to hard. and she blames every thing on my Dad. Non of this is my falt or his but she doesnt seem to think so. some days I wish that I could have the relationship I used to have with her but when I look at reality I know it will never happen. she alowed me at the age of 10 to drink alcohol and even after I joined my church and she new it was not permitted to drink she would still offer me some. I told her no after I got baptised but I know that she was dispionted in me. Some time I think if she could only see me now and how happy I am with my husband that she may change but that is why I stay a way from her because I know that my feelings are the ones that are going to get her in return because she can only change if she wants to. and at the moment I thing that it will take her getting lung cancer for her to realise what she has missed out on all these years. for all of you that have gone through the similar experiences. keep your head up. and dont look into the past for answers look to the future and what you stand for it is the only way that you will get throught the hurt that you are feelling at this moment in time. I can say that I do forgivemy mother for the things that she has done. but I will not let me or my children suffer for her sake. My God bless you all. 

  

Thumaplina 

People who use/abuse drugs make that drug their priority.  They will place the blame of their addiction of anything and anyone but themselves; because that very action gives them the permission to continue using.  As long as they choose to use and refuse to put the effort into not using, they are a danger to themselves; but more importantly, a danger to you.  Good for you!  You chose to protect yourself and your children.  Hold that boundary and do not allow her past it!  I'm so proud of you. 
 
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July 17, 2006, 7:40 am PDT

Finally realized how mom really is at age 40!

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My mom was always the life of the party with her friends but didnt give a crap about me and my sister.  She is still like that to this DAY.  I am 38 yrs old.  I think the twist that occurs you are talking about my mom used to say "you always hurt the ones you love..."  because she knew we had unconditional love for her and her friends didnt!!!  So she never tried to impress us.  I am still angry with her and argue with her sometimes, but she ALWAYS  wins.  We went through strange men too, and always were her second priortiy.  She is on her 4th marriage, and all her energy goes into him and her dogs.  She never visits her grandkids, my oldest is 17 and she has never taken my kids anywhere just for fun.  She wont even babysit for me or my sister.  She says she did her "time" but to us she never did.  Everyone else we know their parents beg them to babysit!!!  I have a question for you if you even read this, my mom always says if I argue with her I will regret it when she dies.  I say I won't.  Because our strained relationship is HER fault.  She is SUPPOSED  to be the mother in my opinion.  Do you think i will???

I just turned 40 this year and I finally came to the realization that my mom really isn't the loving person that I dreamed she was for the past 40 years.  I have basically been a doormat to her my entire life always trying to please etc.  She is also on her 4th marriage, so needless to say I have had to adjust to her lifestyle changes many times.  Which, has proabably distorted my view of healthy families etc.  I have 2 beautiful children ages 11 and 7.  My kids do not spend very much time with grandma because she is always too busy (she works 2-3 days per week) but never seems to have the time to see them. My 7 year old has never stayed at her house overnight.  She has never watched them for me without demanding to know exactly when I will return, and refuses to have them both over at the same time because they might argue.  She is 59 years old, were not talking about an elderly person here...  I have come to realize that she is an angry "B" and I will not accept it anymore....I am willing to let it go....I have to because I can't afford to have "toxic" people in my life.  The cost is too high.  I miss talking with her on the phone and keeping up on things that are going on but she is toxic  She thinks she can buy her way to happiness, but then always complains about her fourth husband working too many hours....I guess I could go on and on....It makes me sick.     

The final realization for me happened this past March during her visit to my house.  She had a temper tantrum when my husband and I had to leave the house to go to a neighbors house for a community event.  We left my mother with my daughter (11) only (we took our son with us) for 90 minutes!  We had spent 1 1/2 days together prior shopping and going out to lunch. She had an absolute fit because we were gone too long!!! She peeled out of our driveway and left my daughter bawling her head off!!!!  My daughter still buys into her games!  I have since decided that I no longer need people like that in my life.  Her retort to me was that she isn't a babysitter!!!  I said, no...you're a grandmother!!!  Anyways, I feel your pain, it hurts but there's really not much one can do to change a very selfish person such as our mothers!!!!!!!   

I have finally realized the sad fact that she will never be the type of a grandmother that I always dreamed she would be....It's sad because like you mentioned in your post,  you see other grandparents begging to watch and spend time with their grandchildren....and not into keeping their homes looking like untouched, untouchable uncomfortable places.  I seriously wonder if my mother has mental issues that have never been addressed she seems to be getting more and more irrational about things!  I wish I could ask Dr. Phil what he thinks....   

Oh, and my younger brother has completely written her off.  He refuses to talk to her ever again in his life!  He hates her that bad for the ways she's tried to screw him up by being so self-centered and egotistical!  

 
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July 17, 2006, 8:02 am PDT

i read about dis

U noe, zaksmomm, i read in dis magazine a whole article just about mothers jealous of their own daughters!!!! They interviewed a couple of gurlz, and they all talked very honestly about their moms' jealousy, and believe it or not, most of da time it was cuz da daughter gets more attention from da father dan da mother does, which makes her rly jealous.  

  

I am so sry 4 wot ever happened 2 u, and i don't think any child deserves 2 b treated dat way, but i also don't think any child out there shod suffer so much just cuz his mom used 2 beat him, i mean.....u can't let such a thing ruin ur life.  

  

I am not sayin u don't have a good reason 2 go 2 therapy or b hurt, but don't let such a thing ruin ur life, even if it was ur mom who treated u dat way. U didn't lose nuthin cuz dat part of ur life is gone now, but she lost a daughter and dats more dan enof . 

 
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July 17, 2006, 8:09 am PDT

dr phil am i to understant that maryiln is still using crack cocain ?

im very suprised if so that she hasent been arrested and charged with a feloney charge! cocaine in any form is a feloney!!! im most suprised at her power over that drug, in being able to controll it and not let it control her, wow  very impresive, im truley  amazed, !!!! 
 
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July 17, 2006, 8:12 am PDT

thank you!

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Dear Brooke, 

Your letter touched me because your mother sounds just like my mother, so I can really relate with you. (See my posting on April 4, 10:25 a.m. entitled: unaddressed social problem.)  I don't know if anyone of Dr. Phil's staff will answer, but I wanted to, at least.  

Overcoming my mother's abuse, then my mother denying it (to this day) has been the hardest thing I've ever had to deal with in my life. (And I've had cancer and been raped at gunpoint - they pale in comparison to this lifelong pain.)  

My mother defeats me at every turn. If I drive an old car so I don't have car payments then "I need to make more money!" If I buy a new car, then who do I think I am?! Nothing I do is right, yet the grandkids can do no wrong.  

When I've tried telling her that what she says hurts my feelings, she laughs.  

When I've tried talking about the big pains in my life, she just says: I don't remember that. Bull! How can you beat the hell out of someone and not remember it. 

It took me a long time to figure out how to love myself. I felt so guilty taking care of myself because that was the message my mother always gave me was: You are selfish (if I had a need or desire). What works for me is: detaching from myself a little (and consequently the feelings that I'm being selfish for needing to be loved) and pretending I'm my own daughter. I go someplace by myself, close my eyes and ask myself: what do you need right now? I always know the answer: empathy, a kind word, to feel safe, to feel loved. So then I visualize the loving, adult mother in me giving the helpless and hurting little girl in me a hug and I tell myself comforting words like I would give my own children. A variation is sometimes I visualize having a talk with my mother (if she did some emotional growth) and visualize hearing the words I want to hear from my mother (that I will never hear), such as: "You are so precious. I was a terrible mother and you didn't deserve my wrath. You are smart, sweet, pretty - and I just failed to see it. I'm just so screwed up myself......." 

These 2 visualizations help tremendously and then I can feel like it's okay to go to a movie or curl up in bed and read a book - that I'm not being selfish by being good to myself. It's important to know however, that I will never get this from my mother - not in this life. Trying to get love from my mother only frustrated me, hurt me, confused me............(where my brother is now). It's a very slow process, but you can do this.  

I finally, finally realized my mother is just a spoiled little girl in an old woman's body who was abused by her parents and has never dealt with it , and she needs love too. (She throws tantrums like a 2 year old does and they need love. They need boundaries, but they also need to know they are still loved.) That was a changing point for me. I now expect nothing from her. I stand up to her (I wrote her and told her I would not be visiting again unless she treated me with respect.) She was mad for over a year and didn't speak to me, then when she came around, she started treating me much better.  

I hope some of what I said helps.  

  

I loved your post.  very helpful!  I will do this.
 
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