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Topic : 04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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Created on : Friday, March 31, 2006, 12:55:50 pm
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Admit it, you've judged people for doing things you considered inappropriate and abnormal in public. Meet Margaret, a stay-at-home mom who's tired of everyone thinking sex is taboo. She says she absolutely loves sex and she'll talk about it anytime, anywhere ... and with all of her kids. This includes showing them her sex toys, her sex swing and her X-rated Web site! But that's not all. Margaret is in a relationship with another woman, Jen, and Jen's husband. Now that she's pregnant, both women say they plan on breastfeeding the baby. Then, meet a husband who sometimes uses the F word six times in one sentence! Plus, meet three kids who think their mom dresses too sexy, and follow a woman's quest to change people's behavior in the grocery store, one shopper at a time. Join the discussion.

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April 7, 2006, 11:27 pm PDT

Supermarket Issue

i have my own beef at people's behavior at the supermarket.It's those yo-yos that are too lazy to take the empty carts to the rack in the parking lot or back to the store.I've seen empty carts left in the handicapped zones,two guys left a cart directly behind the vehicle parked next to them and so many spaces filled with shopping carts that you have to run an obstacle course to walk to the store or drive around the parking lot looking for an empty spot.Hey,how about getting off your fat ass,and getting a little exercise by returning the cart,you have the time to mosey around the store then you have time to put the cart In the proper place out of the way.Once the wind blew a loose cart into my car putting a ding in it.I can't tell what I dislike worse,these people or the ones constantly yapping on their cell phones especially while their driving.I know of some one involved in a collision because the driver of the other vehicle was on his cell.
 
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April 7, 2006, 11:28 pm PDT

Too uptight

I think the the majority of people on this messageboard immediately dismissed Margaret due to her unconventional relationship.  While I believe that she's gone slightly over the line, I don't think that she's too far out of bounds.  I believe in being open with your children, and answering any questions they have truthfully.  While showing them her sex toys and website is a bit much, it's refreshing to see a family that doesn't treat sex as something not to be talked about.  It's much better for children to learn about sex from their parents than from their peers.  I wish there were more parents in the world like Margaret.
 
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April 7, 2006, 11:50 pm PDT

These families need some serious help

I am not surprised that Margaret wanted to go on the Dr Phil show - it sounds like she like the shock value.  I am concerned for her children, especially as they get older.  Her and her "mates" might think all of their behavior is harmless, but I think these kids are going to be pretty messed up as they get older.  Look at the problems that the 14 year old is having already.  Just wait till the kids at school find out that her mom's sex life was on TV, too.....
 
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April 8, 2006, 12:32 am PDT

What were you thinking Dr. Phil ?

I usually agree with Dr. Phil's advice and the help he provides his guests.  However, today was unfortunately NOT one of those days.  I couldn't disagree more with the way he handled his first guest.  I don't understand why some guests on the show are told how destructive what they are doing is, the behavior has to stop NOW and things are put in place immediately to help the family. Then there are some shows, like today, (the children being "emotionally and psychologically" sexually abused) and the show with the little girl being bit by the family dog awhile back) where NO counseling (that we see) is offered and he doesn't step in to help where help is so obviously desperately needed ASAP!  The woman today is out to shock people and I feel that all the Dr. Phil show did was help her to continue to do just that rather than informing her how absolutely unacceptable the adult’s behavior was, it has to stop NOW and step in immediately to get CPS involved!   

 

I am just curious how the Dr. Phil show decides which guests should get surprised (money, trips, scholarships, etc.), who should receive counseling offers, and who is just sent home in the same shape they arrived in?  I never know what to expect from the show anymore. Sometimes I turn off the TV and feel like the show was helpful to the guest, advice was provided that will hopefully help someone else, and I have learned something I can incorporate into my own life.  Then there are days where I turn the TV off and feel upset, mad, disappointed and totally confused?????  

 
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April 8, 2006, 1:40 am PDT

I thought that this story should open some eyes

i would like to be one of the few that will support Margaret's frame of mind about sex.  Sex is a subject that needs to be discussed openly.  I don't think I would like to see my parents nude, and I have.  But maybe if sex  was discussed openly then there wouldn't be so many babies having babies.  I'm still waiting for the sex talk from my mother and I'm almost 40 years old.  I had to learn about my body, feelings, my period from books.  I had no one to talk to  when I was growing up.  I don't wish to have a relationship because I don't know what to do.  there is nothing wrong with women with women or anything else.  As long as the kids are currently happy then it is no one's business what happens behind closed doors.  Who can predict what will happen to the kids when they are adults, but maybe they will have a better understanding that I did.  

 
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April 8, 2006, 1:41 am PDT

Too petty a topic for Dr. Phil

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I agree, but let's face it, some people just need a reason to be mean, and she has found a way to be vindictive and a coward at the same time.  How brave, sliding expensive items into someones cart just because she is to lazy to reach for the bar. 

I am surprised that Dr. Phil chose something as silly as this to use airtime on. 

  

However, regardless of who "should" put the bar down. What gives this little vengeful woman to punish another customer because they did not do what she expected of them? Maybe they didn't know that it was their "duty" to put down the bar for her. I never thought that the person checking out was supposed to do this for the next person in line. Even when I have been the next person, as we all have, I have always reached for the bar, as I am adding my groceries to the conveyor belt. 

Even if she is right, she had better stop trying to get others to pay for her groceries before someone gives her a demonstration of real rudeness, which is no more than she deserves. Grow up, no one is here to cater to your whims and fancies, and find something important to gripe about if you must gripe! 

  

  

 

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April 8, 2006, 1:44 am PDT

find something important to worry about

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I've always thought it was and should be the person behind to put the divider bar between groceries. You are the one coming up from behind. I don't see it as disrespectful that the person in front of me didn't do it. As for putting extra items in someone's groceries....that's mean spirited.

Exactly!!!! It is the person behind (you's) responsibility to put up the bar.  Why would the person in front do it???????   Sometimes no one is behind you .. does she still put it there like some selfish act of  "This is my space and don't invade it - cause I'm so much better than you!!!"   

i can't believe this lady isn't worrying about more important things than this...Like people sneezing on carts and wiping their snotty noses on merchandise.  now that's inconsiderate\! 

The trouble is when someone starts noticing somehing like this --they never see want they want to --they won't notice when someone does do it right. 

Dr Phil must have been desperate for guests because I can't believe that he wasn't harder on her.  

He should have told her to spend her energy on something more important. It's like focusing on how someone ties their shoes!!!  

   

 
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April 8, 2006, 1:46 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

 Meet Margaret, a stay-at-home mom who's tired of everyone thinking sex is taboo. She says she absolutely loves sex and she'll talk about it anytime, anywhere ... and with all of her kids. This includes showing them her sex toys, her sex swing and her X-rated Web site!  

Welcome to another mother who is creating a sex-obsessed child that will end up having problems as an adult!  I dont think porn and excess exposure to sex is healthy at all for children. They are NOT sexually, intellectually or psychologically developed and premature exposure damage their innocense and pushes adulthood onto them too early. This is really, really bad.  Its like filling a child with alcohol and get them drunk all the time because "its fun to party" in belief that you are offering them "fun".
This lady is a fool and has no clue what she is doing to this kid. She is creating a monster and is damaging this child. In Europe they have extensive sex education in school when children become mature, but its forbidden to expose children to commerical sex materials (porn, magazines, etc). The Europeans seem so much more at ease with their sexuality and have far less rapes and sexual crimes per capita than this country. 

  

  

  

  

  

  

  

 

  

 
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April 8, 2006, 1:54 am PDT

Well said!

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Kelly reminded me of a friend I had when I was 12. We were playing a game that we’d made up, when she indignantly told me I wasn’t “playing right.”  

  

 

Whether or not someone puts down the grocery separator at checkout is minutia. My first instinct was that Kelly seriously needed to get a life, but that was a bit too harsh. She actually seemed like a pretty nice person. I think what bugged me about her is that I identified with her too much. I’ve also struggled with judging people (in particular, the way they drive). What helps me, and what I think she needs a dose of, is perspective. It’s simply unreasonable to expect people to behave the way we want them to. It’s arrogant to assume that we’re the ones with the definitive answer on what’s right or wrong. It also shows a lack of empathy, a lack of understanding that other people around us are living full lives that we know nothing about.  

  

 

Think about the “inconsiderate” people in front of her. For all she knows, they could be moving on from a terrible day at work, hurting over a spouse who’s cheating or mourning the loss of a loved one… the real stuff of life. They might have just been diagnosed with cancer. Wouldn’t she feel terrible if that was the case? They possibly just have to go to the bathroom really bad and are in a hurry to get home. Most likely, they simply don’t share Kelly’s belief that you’re “supposed” to put the separator down for others. Is it really such a crime that she has to make them literally pay for it.  

  

 

When it comes to small acts that change the world – nothing beats compassion.  

Kelli needs to grow up and get real 

  

The fact that she would consider someone not putting down the bar such an affront that she would react in such immature and inconsiderate manner is sad.  

If she  has children, is this behavior of hers teaching them anything positive? 

  

Focusing on such a non issue show a total lack of perspective on her part. 

  

There are so many real issues to be upset about. Why waste energy trying to make people do what you think they should? Just be the better person yourself, I am pretty sure that something a simple as separating your own groceries from the person in front of you shouldn't be an issue of politeness at all, it seems more like a small issue of personal responsibility. 

 Take the same time that it would take you to slide items into their groceries and reach for the bar yourself novel idea for Kelly I'm sure.  

 
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April 8, 2006, 2:04 am PDT

Who decided that we all are "supposed" to view this the same way?

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I don't understand what the big deal is.  Some people wish others will be courteous and others don't. Don't trash people for their opinions.  I guess the people who get angry about what this woman does are the ones who don't take responsibility and just put the bar down like they are supposed to.  If you want to take out your aggressions then put up a message about the lesbian women or a topic that really matters.

Where is it written that someone is "supposed to " put the bar down? Give me a break. If the bar is so important to her, then she should, lift that big heavy piece of plastic and place it between the groceries herself.  

What we are "supposed" to be is tolerant, reasonable adults. Adding your groceries to someone else's order because they do not behave in the manner that you think they should is silly and immature. 

  

 
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