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Topic : 04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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Created on : Friday, March 31, 2006, 12:55:50 pm
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Admit it, you've judged people for doing things you considered inappropriate and abnormal in public. Meet Margaret, a stay-at-home mom who's tired of everyone thinking sex is taboo. She says she absolutely loves sex and she'll talk about it anytime, anywhere ... and with all of her kids. This includes showing them her sex toys, her sex swing and her X-rated Web site! But that's not all. Margaret is in a relationship with another woman, Jen, and Jen's husband. Now that she's pregnant, both women say they plan on breastfeeding the baby. Then, meet a husband who sometimes uses the F word six times in one sentence! Plus, meet three kids who think their mom dresses too sexy, and follow a woman's quest to change people's behavior in the grocery store, one shopper at a time. Join the discussion.

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April 8, 2006, 3:10 pm PDT

Go kids!

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I so agree with you about this woman with the three children.  I am very disappointed that Dr. Phil did not use this opportunity to point out to her that as the one in charge, she has the obligation to teach her children to respect themselves as well as others by wearing appropriate clothing.  I can't ever remember seeing Dr. Phil's wife, Robin wear anything that even remotely resembled what this woman wears.  It is possible to dress fashionably and fabulously without looking like a hooker.  What you wear speaks volumes about you.  It  either sends the message:  "I respect myself  and others and I am secure with myself" or it says, " I have no respect for myself and those around me.  I'm insecure and need attention, even if is the wrong kind of attention.  You can treat me with disrespect."  I know this from personal experience.  I married late in life.  I used to dress like this woman and I kept dating losers who were just looking for sex.  Some were even married men.  It troubled me so.  But thank God someone had the charity to help me understand the kind of image I was projecting.  I finally started dressing in a more appropriate way and WOW! did my life change!@@!!!  I now had my choice of respectful men who were of good character and desired a committed relationship.  I agree with  some other messages that I've seen:  Dr. Phil isn't what he used to be.  I guess it's time for him to wrap it up for good.....or maybe he just needs a wake-up call.  Or maybe he is under pressure to be "politically correct."  In any case I feel that Dr. Phil has an obligation to re-think this.  Those kids were right in their assessment of their mother.  We are born with a sense of what is right and what is wrong.  Thumbs up to those three children!
I agree with the kids. I think their Mother should be more sensitive to her children. They see how people look at their Mom when she dresses 'sleazy' and it must make them terribly uncomfortable. They seem like wonderful kids and I think they were a little hurt by Dr. Phil's attitude.
 

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April 8, 2006, 3:20 pm PDT

I forgot about the chewing gum!

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Don't forget the people who spit their gum out just any place. One of the most helpless things I have ever watched was a lady with her toddler in a glassed in ATM. I was in my car waiting my turn and watched in horror as her toddler reached down and picked up a piece of previously chewed gum and put it in her own mouth! UGH!  Lets put that gum in the trash can.
Also forgot to mention one of my biggest pet peeves of all:  people who lock their dogs in hot cars while they go to the supermarket.  They think they're only going to be in there a "minute" but they don't realize how profoundly hot it gets in the car, how uncomfortable & DANGEROUS it is for their animal & how easy it is to be delayed in the store.  I've politely spoken to these folks & they are almost always rude & defensive.
 

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April 8, 2006, 3:22 pm PDT

Harper Valley PTA

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I agree with the kids. I think their Mother should be more sensitive to her children. They see how people look at their Mom when she dresses 'sleazy' and it must make them terribly uncomfortable. They seem like wonderful kids and I think they were a little hurt by Dr. Phil's attitude.

Ever since I saw that segment, I've had the Harper Valley PTA lyrics tuck in my head.   

  

ITA with Dr. Phil on that one. 

 
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April 8, 2006, 3:37 pm PDT

Holy Guacamole!

Wow...this is soooo sick!  This situation regarding the freed sex thinkers! isn't about anything but this woman and her perverted need to push her feelings and opinions on others but it is her children that will have to deal with the fall-out.  This woman actually told a friend of her daughters that her daughter was in her room masturbating?  Oh well, if she thinks it is right then the heck with how her saying that would cause shock and ridicule toward her daughter when her friend told everyone that she knew at school and have a great story to tell for the rest of her life! Who would say such a thing? Is nothing sacred or private?  Get real....your only concern is that you not conform to society and that you speak your mind and show your stuff and shock the world (all about YOU!) even if it might cause repercussions for your children.  You are an adult and have responsibilities to your children that go beyond your own needs but you would rather be smug and get on the show so that you can flaunt this perversion even more to show all of us how up-tight we are!  What an ideal family arrangement as you carry the child of your friends husband and live together in perfect sexual harmony, yeah, we'll see!  I CAN NOT imagine what these children will do as they become full-fledged teenagers within this weirdo family........you are in la-la land out of touch with reality and delusional.  Seek intensive counseling to find out why you have this obsession with yourself.
 
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April 8, 2006, 3:53 pm PDT

social taboos

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Ever since I saw that segment, I've had the Harper Valley PTA lyrics tuck in my head.   

  

ITA with Dr. Phil on that one. 

What I saw with this woman was a good looking middle aged woman who had a great body and great attitude. She seemed to know when it was appropriate to wear whatever whenever she choose. I agree with Dr. Phil on this one. Just because you turn 50 it doesn't mean the skirts go to the ankles and you wear the turtle necks. I am 42, I love going to the Jr. section of store in the mall. I enjoy wearing new styles. Who comes up with the style rules anyway? Come on Harper Valley PTA's lighten up and find better things to complain about. I was always told when people think and say bad things about other's it is because they have insecurities themselves. 
 
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April 8, 2006, 3:53 pm PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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.I was raised in a COMPLETELY sexually closed enviroment. It was not discussed, or explained. It was a dirty, closed subject. 

I am happily married, monogamous, pregnant with my first child, and like it that way...that is MY choice. This family has made the choice that is best for them. As long as their children are not being molested, and they are not openly having sex in front of their children, I think it is HEALTHIER than the way I was raised!  

As far as the blog...I do think that every sexually active person has every right to have nude photos if they choose. I am SURE that some of you that are judging this family have some naughty photos hidden away somewhere, or a girlie magazine hidden under the mattress....your child could find those if they looked in the right place!  I think we all know that if a child truly wishes to find something online, or not, there is no way any parent can ever stop them completely. 

These shows ARE edited for "shock value" for lack of a better term. When that happens, it is very easy to see only the negative side, and forget that there is an entire WORLD of circumstances that we are not privy to. There are so many families that "have it all together" in popular opinion, but what goes on behind closed doors is so much more horrific than anything we can imagine. Honestly, a family that is this open has me much more convinced that there is NOTHING going on that they are not willing to share with anyone...and that gives me more peace of mind than a family that is just "too perfect"  

My family was a "perfect" family to anyone looking in. What they did not see was the emotional neglect, sexual abuse, and religious posturing that took place inside. It damaged me far more than any amount of seeing a sex toy ever could have! 

I give props to this family! It is no more different than the normal family structure than a same sex marriage with children is. I KNOW and can admit that there is no way that I have the security and self confidence that these women obviously have. They are secure in their love for each other, and their "husbands" love for them. That is more than most monogamous couples can say! 

In Biblical times, it was commonplace for a husband to have many wives. All of the women raised the children as their own, including nursing. When did someone randomly decide that was no longer a cultural 'yes' and turn it into a taboo? 

I think we need to look a lot longer and harder at the fact that the Bible speaks far more about judging others than it does about how many spouses to have, and look in our own hearts to see what darkness we are to afraid to let God deal with, before we start casting stones at those who choose to view life differently than we do. 

  

  

  

I understand some of what you are saying, but this household is way off on what is healthy for children.  I also came from sexual abuse and this family disturbs me very much.  Yes, we may all have nude magazines or sex toys, but they should never be shared with ANY children.  Some of these things were shared with me when I was a child and I am still working all of it out.  I can't express enough how detrimental this is for children.  It seems that their entire life revolves around sex and sexual pleasure.  I just don't feel that sex is all there is for anyone.  I do agree that it is good to teach your children about sex (age appropriate) but this is too much.  Come on, she punished her 12 year old by having her go naked for 2 hours.  Unbelievable!  How about taking away her computer or video games or maybe just talking to her.  This was extreme.  Think about the children!  It sounds to me that this woman doesn't care if she's right or wrong.  She's going to do what she does regardless.  She is very arrogant and selfish.   

 
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April 8, 2006, 4:02 pm PDT

Gross.

I am a very open-minded person and quite open sexually...but this is just sick. 

  

Sending a 3 yo to their room to masturbate?!   

  

All of it is wrong to me. 

 
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April 8, 2006, 4:17 pm PDT

Those Poor Children

I didn't get to watch the entire show, but the parts I did made me ill.  Those people are doing such an injustice to those poor children.  I would hope the entire family would get in counciling, as they ALL need it.  I hope Dr. Phil didn't call CPS, but someone from CPS saw the show and investigates that family situation.  I don't think that is "normal" at all.  Someone needs to be a hero to those children, and it certaily isn't going to be any of the three adult "swingers" in that house.
 
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April 8, 2006, 4:23 pm PDT

The Lust Triangle

Gee, I remember when kids were grossed out even thinking about their parents having sex.  Now, people like Margarette want their kids to not only be totally comfortable with that thought, but to also think about their parent having sex with another Mom and Dad and too see pictures of it on the Internet.  She clearly stated that she posts x-rated pictures of herself on the web and her 14 year old daughter has total access to it.  I'm sure the other kids can see it as well, she just isn't admitting it.  So, what will happen if the 14 year old daughter wants to explore a bi-sexual relationship for herself, is Marge going to offer up her girlfriend for the experiment...hey why not throw in the baby daddy too.  This is absolutely disgusting.  Dr. Phil must be up to something because that was the most subdued I've ever seen him.   

  

And, now that I think of it, whenever you hear on the news that a boy/girl was molested don't you always hear that the pedophile gave them beer and watched porn with them.....HMMMM...interesting.   

 
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April 8, 2006, 4:27 pm PDT

dr phil was bamfoozled

 I've never seen Dr Phil at a loss for meaningful words before these 2 women steamrolled him.
--I'm worried about their children- what they said was only the tip of the iceberg.  Will they allow their children to post pictures of their bare butts on a website??  I think they would--  these women have no sense of boundaries,  and could likely justify it in their minds if their children were to get involved in kiddie porn & early sex-  perhaps even encourage it.  
At the very least, their kids will suffer barbs from their  schoolmates and  other parents may not allow their children to associate with such bizarre and possible amoral people.
 
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