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Topic : 04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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Created on : Friday, March 31, 2006, 12:55:50 pm
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Admit it, you've judged people for doing things you considered inappropriate and abnormal in public. Meet Margaret, a stay-at-home mom who's tired of everyone thinking sex is taboo. She says she absolutely loves sex and she'll talk about it anytime, anywhere ... and with all of her kids. This includes showing them her sex toys, her sex swing and her X-rated Web site! But that's not all. Margaret is in a relationship with another woman, Jen, and Jen's husband. Now that she's pregnant, both women say they plan on breastfeeding the baby. Then, meet a husband who sometimes uses the F word six times in one sentence! Plus, meet three kids who think their mom dresses too sexy, and follow a woman's quest to change people's behavior in the grocery store, one shopper at a time. Join the discussion.

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April 8, 2006, 8:40 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

Quote From: diane609

I was waiting for Dr. Phil to say... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING. Didn't happen. I guess he has his reasons. Hopefully she is being looked into now after the show.  I don't have to agree with his advice though most of the time I do. When I don't, that's ok too. I don't get upset or mad at him. I just know that we are two different people with two different minds, with different experiences and though his may be more professional than mine, I am still entitled to mine, right or wrong, same as he is. :-)
 I think the reason for Dr Phil's easygoing approach to this guest was that she is clearly seeking attention and shock value, and he didn't want to give her the satisfaction of receiving the attention she craved.  I hope he does call CPS after the show, so that she will receive the legal action she deserves without getting the shock response that she was looking for.
 
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April 8, 2006, 8:41 am PDT

Another lens?

Before I make my point, let me state up front: I agree with many herein that this woman has no sense of boundaries and is abusing her children in pursuit of her own rebellion.  So, we're clear: I do not see her parenting "model" as one that could possibly lead to happy, secure, and healthy children. 

  

Having said that, I am also disappointed, albeit not at all surprised, that the Dr. Phil show "selected" this "family" to appear.  It's rare on this show to see a parent who disagrees with Dr. Phil's presumptions about what constitutes "appropriateness" in terms of adult sexual practice and sexual education.   

  

For those who have posted with the paranoid and misinformed right-wing talking points about abstinence as the only "responsible" way to approach teenage sexual awakening, I hope you consider looking beyond biased souces.  For those areas in the U.S. where "abstinence only" programs have been put in place, STD and unwanted pregnancy rates GO UP, not down!  Further, there's some solid studies showing that "abstinence only"-barraged teens have considerably higher rates of anal and oral sex.  In other words, abstinence only education makes teenagers less, not more, safe. 

  

So, my frustration here is that this show "paints" responsible and reality-based parenting as irresponsible and immoral.  Teenagers have a right to know about their bodies and to know what the REASONABLE risks are--both physical AND emotional--when they become sexually active.  And, face it, folks--they overwhelming majority of human beings become sexually active before marriage.  Teaching your children self-respect and self-knowledge prepares them to make better choices.  It DOES NOT teach promiscuity, endorse deviant sex practices, or guarantee STDs or pregnancy.  (An example: Oprah regularly does shows on the increasingly common phenom of middle-school girls giving out oral sex in order to be popular.  If a girl loved her body and understood the emotional, spiritual, and physical consequences of having sex before she's ready, she would be very unlikely to treat herself and others in that way.  I also think that girl's who know about female orgasm would not tolerate being treated as sexual servants--they would demand respect and balance, something they would be unlikely to find among adolescent boys.) 

  

So, I would argue that parents preaching morally self-righteous abstinence IN COMBINATION with the hypersexualized images of our culture leave our kids in a vacuum, or to put it better, puts them in harm's way.  They're getting equally unhealthy and unreasonable "lessons" from both ends. 

  

Instead of allowing my perspective on Dr. Phil, the show "voices" birth control education through a woman who is emotionally unstable, selfish, and abusive toward her children.  (Case in point: owning or using sex toys is not "deviant"--displaying them as trophies for your children, however, is.)  Personally, I found the "choice" of this guest both irresponsible and  reprehensible.  But, that choice also selects for the moralistic outrage that suffuses this message board.  Perhaps, then, Dr. Phil is pandering to the morally self-righteous at the expense of adolescent health? 

  

  

 

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April 8, 2006, 8:41 am PDT

Sorry Education has nothing to do with it.

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 I think people should feel free to talk about sex. Let's de-taboo the subject. But at the same time, children need to receive age appropriate information on sex and adults should be educated about this. I believe that the woman who is sharing her sex life/toys with her children may be uneducated on this matter. Before we condemn her--lets remember that not all adults have educated minds.  

  

Our society is pretty clear that children should not be exposed to explicit sex.  This woman is rebelling and thumbing her nose up at the rules our society has set when it comes to kids and sex.  Last I herd it was against the law to expose kids or involve kids in explicit sex.  Unless you come from a foreign country or live in a bubble you know these things.  It is not something that is taught in school we all just know them.  We choice to follow them or not and if not we are subject to having to deal with Children's protective services.  Where the heck are they? 

 

 
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April 8, 2006, 8:57 am PDT

Your intentions are good but midguided

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i would like to be one of the few that will support Margaret's frame of mind about sex.  Sex is a subject that needs to be discussed openly.  I don't think I would like to see my parents nude, and I have.  But maybe if sex  was discussed openly then there wouldn't be so many babies having babies.  I'm still waiting for the sex talk from my mother and I'm almost 40 years old.  I had to learn about my body, feelings, my period from books.  I had no one to talk to  when I was growing up.  I don't wish to have a relationship because I don't know what to do.  there is nothing wrong with women with women or anything else.  As long as the kids are currently happy then it is no one's business what happens behind closed doors.  Who can predict what will happen to the kids when they are adults, but maybe they will have a better understanding that I did.  

I do appreciate the fact that you are trying to have an open mind, but your open-mindedness is at the expense of these children. These children are being sexually abused. I am not so sure that the adults (and I use the term loosely) are not having sex with the children. I mean, from their perspective, why not, open sex and all . It's not like your case at all, where no one talked to you about sex, these children are being abused with sex.  The poor 12yr. old is being forced to walk around the hourse naked, in front of others, as part as a punishment.  And as far as predicting what will happen, take a good look at our youth. We can predict what will happen because our generation has dropped the ball so badly. We have allowed morals, loyality, respect, good-manners, love for our fellow man to be something objective instead of something expected and our kids are suffering for our lack of leadership.  For your own personal experience, your 40 yrs old and you don't wish a relationship because you don't know what to do, there are places and people that can help. Write Dr. Phil. Don't expect so much from yourself, no one has all the answers. Take it from someone who has been in a relationship for years, its one day at a time. Yes there are some basics, like, respect for each other , tolerance for our differences,  stay focused on the good as we work through the bad, but other than that ...it's one day at a time. Good luck to you.
 
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April 8, 2006, 9:03 am PDT

Disgusted!!!

From Friday's airing on the sex triangle parents, I know Dr. Phil was trying to be very careful in how he worded everything as to not offend or turn those women off from re-evaluating what they are doing to those poor children, but I wish he could have spent the whole hour really showing how they are screwing up those children. I hope to God, social services intervene. This is bordeline sexual abuse. These adults are in it for shock reactions and are eating it up. They are sick and need professional help. God help this baby, they'll screw this one up, too, if no one intervenes.
 
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April 8, 2006, 9:10 am PDT

Absolutely APALLED!

I was absolutely apalled at the way Margaret puts her sex life on display for her children. I am a very open minded person in most aspects of life, but when it comes to sex and kids I am definitely not flexible with my beliefs. 


I don't believe that she is educating her children properly on the issue of sex/sexuality. AT ALL. Her children are 14, 12, and THREE YEARS OLD. Why is it normal for her to be sexually open with a three year old? Or even children who haven't fully hit puberty?! Especially the girls. I am fearful that these children are going to grow up thinking sex is no big deal when it is a VERY big deal. Sex is to be shared between people who are in love and have an emotional connection. I'm afraid that her kids are going to see it as some type of extracurricular activity....like soccer, or basketball, etc. And I know she said she put her child on birth control and gave her condoms. I can KIND OF see her reasoning there because she wants her daughter to be safe in the event that she might try sex, but at the same time she's condoning that type of behaviour. I don't want my daughter having sex before she's 18, let alone when she is 14 years old. I think her reasoning, and her way of education is totally wrong. And, is it really necessary to leave your sex toys drying in the bathroom? That's disgusting! I think there is a very legitimate reason for why Dr. Phil didn't say much to the woman, and I'm hoping he's getting someone to investigate this. I feel sorry for these children to have to grow up in this kind of household. 

  

Another thing that wasn't mentioned, where is the biological father to these children? Does he know about this? 

  

And, what about Jen helping her breastfeed? Does she have a milk supply? .....I think they need to educate themselves a little before just jumping into thinking that the baby would even WANT to breastfeed on two different people. The milk is different in both of those women-the taste, the smell. I breastfeed my daughter and she doesn't even want to take a bottle with MY breastmilk in it. 

  

I just don't know what to say except my heart truly goes out to these children and Margaret needs a reality check. 

 
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April 8, 2006, 9:16 am PDT

Out to lunch

Quote From: mvn000

These are two women that blatantly subject their children to pornography obviously have some deep seeded issues that they need psychological help resolving.  Unfortunately, their strong cry for attention is at the expense of their children.  Dr Phil mildly touched on the point that they are misconstruing information to their children by not properly educating them that sex can and should be a private, intimate, sensual and loving experience between individuals,  not just noisy fantasized toy-playing past-times that includes posting our butt on the Internet (as-if anyone would be interested in that gruesome shot).  I would love for Dr Phil to interview these children in 10-15 years to see if they have become productive, good natured, sound adults (and if so, I'll proudly eat my words), or if they have mental and/or physical scars from the obtrusive sexual information that was shoved in their faces much to early for them to responsibly understand.  I pray that these children don't become statistics of the already too high percentages of teen pregnancy, AIDS/STD affliction, sex offenders, victims of date rape, drug/alcohol abuse,  and the many more ailments of the pornographic society.  It's unfair that these children will more than likely grow up being ridiculed by others because their mentally disturbed parents have a need to buck society and stand out and be heard in the world and spread a totally irresponsible/distorted message!

How can supposed adults be so insensitive to these innocent children.  Margaret clearly has issues that need professional attention NOW. I agree with the other parents about "No Play Dates There". 

  

There children are not sexually mature, what is Margaret's rush to get them exposed.  Her Blog, most sickening thing I've heard in a long time. She in my opinion may be doing more than answering ?'s for those kids. Dr Phil get help for those children before the sun comes up please.  

 
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April 8, 2006, 9:44 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

Quote From: phumphrey

Why do Margaret and Jen limit the time their chldren spend on the computer?  They don't need to log into porn websites---they live in one.
Very well said!
 
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April 8, 2006, 9:45 am PDT

Putting the shopping carts away

Quote From: sueinva

I got a phone call during this segment so I didn't see if Dr. Phil pointed out to Kelly that if she wants a bar up, then put it up herself.  Why has she determined that the other person needs to put it up and not her.  

The big problem in grocery stores and places like Target and Walmart are the people who are too lazy to walk their shopping cart over to the rack in the parking lot and stick it in parking places or shoved up on the grass dividers.  This I totally don't get and I see it ALL the time!  People should have the simple decency to put their own stuff away and not inconveinance other shoppers trying to get a parking place or have cars getting dented with these loose carts.  I would think that the embarassment of having someone see you acting like a lazy slob would be motivation enough for people to put their carts away, even if they really weren't decent enough to do it just because it's the right thing to do! 

Right on!  Why didn't Dr. Phil's producer for this segment think of this?   Of course, you are right -- a much bigger problem, in fact, it makes the segment about the belt/order divider look absolutely stupid.  Hey, maybe we could convince the "divider" lady  to start a movement against unreturned shopping carts.  I would join her group! 
 
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April 8, 2006, 9:46 am PDT

Social Taboo..Is this Normal?

As a mother of two, I was disgusted after watching Margret and Jen story. (aka: the sick triangle)  There was no education what so ever going on in that home from what was shown.  If they were not so open and talked so free about sex with such young kids..then maybe the 14 year old would not have come to her asking for birth control.  She would not be thinking about sex at such a young age.  What happen to morals?  That is sick and CPS should be called on that home.  Who knows if those sick people are not harming the children...Next thing we are going to here is that the 3 sick-o were arrested for child pornographic videos being displayed on-line!  Poor, poor babies!
 
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