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Topic : 04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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Created on : Friday, March 31, 2006, 12:55:50 pm
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Admit it, you've judged people for doing things you considered inappropriate and abnormal in public. Meet Margaret, a stay-at-home mom who's tired of everyone thinking sex is taboo. She says she absolutely loves sex and she'll talk about it anytime, anywhere ... and with all of her kids. This includes showing them her sex toys, her sex swing and her X-rated Web site! But that's not all. Margaret is in a relationship with another woman, Jen, and Jen's husband. Now that she's pregnant, both women say they plan on breastfeeding the baby. Then, meet a husband who sometimes uses the F word six times in one sentence! Plus, meet three kids who think their mom dresses too sexy, and follow a woman's quest to change people's behavior in the grocery store, one shopper at a time. Join the discussion.

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April 8, 2006, 10:16 pm PDT

i agree and dont agree

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I have to admit I was actually VERY impressed with this family. being able to be so open about sex with your kids is a present. so many problems could be prevented if more people did that. And the mom proved it, isn't it better for your 14 year old to come to you when she needs advice/ help, then have her try to figure it out by herself? Besides i think as a society in America we are way to sensetive when it comes to sex, i mean after all it is a natural thing no? why are we over protective?  

just imagine, their kids will have so much more knowledge about what really goes on in the "real" world than mosst kids... 

Anyhow, I think the family is doing a great job!!!  

i agree and then again i dont agree.   Yes i think that sex is not talked about enough and that with society the way it is today we kinda have to be open minded but lets get real at 14 i wasent even thinking about sex yet yes my mother was open minded and would answer all the questions that i had but she would keep it in my age group no she did not have toys lying around for the world to see i think there is a time and a place for everything even at home and i dont agree with just telling all expecially with a 3 year old in the house come on lets get to terms here yes answering questions is great and im all for education and knowing your body before you have sex but toys and swings and all that jazz that is not education that is just wrong yes it is ok to spice up your sex life but like i said there is a time and a place for everything. yes education is wonderful and i will do the same with my kids i will tell them at the right age and keep within her age no toys no swings cause that is not what sex is all about it is not one big porn movie it is a child that wants to know where babies come from not how to make a movie and swing from the siling. so in all she is right for wanting to educate her children but the way she is doing it could be better somethings are better left unsaid at least untill the children can understand.        thanks nicole 

 
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April 8, 2006, 11:08 pm PDT

Beyond Words

I don't read message boards, let alone respond to them.  This is my FIRST, and now I understand they can be an important tool.  I've been reading all day.  I'm only writing because MORE people need to be up in arms about these nut job people who parade their depravity and include their children in their creepy antics.   

  

I value Dr. Phil's advice.  He's been part of my daily routine from the beginning (with Oprah), but what in the hell was he thinking.  I've seen him rip people a new one over minor infractions.  These children are being exposed to God knows what else (14, 12, 3, & 5 mo inutero).  

  

 I need to know if SOMEONE or ANYONE has done anything to help these kids.  Was Dr. Phil just blindsighted by this interview?  He needs to do an IMMEDIATE press conference on Monday.  At the very least he needs to explain his demeanor and lack of action to his loyal audience, and I don't mean with a follow-up show in a few months.  This wasn't just some sensationalized, funny , quirky family.  This IS a nightmare. 

  

What are they doing right now that involves the children--Playing UNO or Scrabble on ''the swing?' With lots of 'toys?' 

 

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April 8, 2006, 11:11 pm PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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I have to admit I was actually VERY impressed with this family. being able to be so open about sex with your kids is a present. so many problems could be prevented if more people did that. And the mom proved it, isn't it better for your 14 year old to come to you when she needs advice/ help, then have her try to figure it out by herself? Besides i think as a society in America we are way to sensetive when it comes to sex, i mean after all it is a natural thing no? why are we over protective?  

just imagine, their kids will have so much more knowledge about what really goes on in the "real" world than mosst kids... 

Anyhow, I think the family is doing a great job!!!  

Part of me wonders if you aren't one of the moms from the show...

But the "real" world is NOT like their home. That is the issue. They aren't raising these kids in a vacuum. If you want to be a part of society you have to recognize that society. If you want that society to change then you have to do it slowly.
 
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April 8, 2006, 11:28 pm PDT

Right ON Jettav!

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and unless something changes with this mother (who in my opinion gives motherhood a bad name) her children are going to grow up just like her with no respect. Sex is a wonderful thing between Man and woman and whatever is done int he PRIVACY of the bedroom needs to stay there. No wayy onthis green earth will my children ever know what happens in MY room with my husband. My children will betaught that sex is agood and beautiful when with a spouse and itis a private thing done between the two. This mother is very intelligent when it comes to this subject and she better take a step back and start using the brain God gave her to help guide and direct her children ina good and caring way. And for those who don't have anything better to say then the "F" word, needs to get a life. Gee, peop[le are so rude and disrespectful, no wonder children in our sociey are growing up with a lack of morals and respect for authority and elders, becasue of people like this on this show. How immature can a person be!!!!!!!!! These people certainly would not be aloud in my home with this way of thinking, For my home is about respect and honoring one another and those are a couple of rules that I expect to be followed. To me, these people are very abnormal when it comes to these topics, they need to GROW UP!!

Yeah, I agree with you.  I think there is severe dysfunction in Margaret's household.  What a sick group of adults to care for the children.  Looks like the message boards will be never done with this one! 

 
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April 9, 2006, 1:03 am PDT

Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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PLEASE call dept of family services-this family is way to twisted to have children around all that sex,sex,sex!!!It is just wrong and it is not NORMAL!!I cannot believe how you tiptoed around the whole issue and not once did you say it was wrong.I kept waiting for you to lamblast them but nothing-you disappointed me
I have been thinking about this show for two days now and it makes me absolutly sick!!!! I can not believe that there are "parents" in this world that ack like that!! I am a single mother of two boys and I want to edgucate my kids in alot of things but I would NEVER teach them any thing like those two women!! It doesn't matter if the kids are 18 or 2, they don't need to know how to use a sex swing or any kind of toys for that matter!! I can not believe that any one let alone a "mother" would tell a daughters friend that she couldn't come to the phone because she was masterbating! What kind of punishment is walking around the house naked for two hours? I'm sure that the twisted mother, her girlfriend and her boyfriend were the only ones that got anything from that and, it was a thrill!! Dr.Phil, were you in complete shock or something, because you didn't have anything to say to them!! If I were you I would of called Child Welfare before they even got off of your stage!! That story was the sickest thing that I have EVER heared!!!! They need ALOT of help. I feel sory for all of the kids and there is soon to be another one brought into that family! Somebody HELP those kids, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
 
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April 9, 2006, 1:23 am PDT

Dr. Phil is a professional

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PLEASE call dept of family services-this family is way to twisted to have children around all that sex,sex,sex!!!It is just wrong and it is not NORMAL!!I cannot believe how you tiptoed around the whole issue and not once did you say it was wrong.I kept waiting for you to lamblast them but nothing-you disappointed me
Everyone is saying Dr. Phil was too soft.  I think he realized that Margaret thrives on shock and he wasn't about to give it to her by being an authority figure for her to rebel against.  We see the show and react emotionally.  I'm sure he had his own emotional reaction, but be danged if he'd give her the satisfaction of seeing it.  To paraphrase the Doc - that's her currency, and he took it away from her.  I think he was dead right! 
 
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April 9, 2006, 1:28 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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I was very shocked about the single mom exposing her children to sex toys and everyone walking around naked.  I have a 14 year old son and I respect his right to privacy which he expects.  There are certaing things that even though these grownups are comfortable with, the children should be able to decide for themselves when age appropriate.  I feel that these children are being "forced" into a lifestye that is optional for adults.  I am definitely concerned that the children's innocence is being taken from them - that is abuse.  It is really no different than a pedifile exposing children to sexual behavior, which is a crime.  Children don't have choices and don't have voices, expecially a 3 year old.  What happened to respecting our children's right to their comfort level and age appropriate behavior in their presence.  These kids aren't learning about "love" in my opinion.  They are being brainwashed to believe this alternate lifestyle is okay.  And I've never heard of a real mother telling their children "you're stressed out - go masturbate".  Doesn't that teach them that sexual indulgence at a young age is an appropriate way to "cope".  What happened to basketball or other age appropriate behavior.  I think these people are adults according to their age but very immature and selfish in their parenting.  No, this is not normal and I think it's opening pandora's box.  This can make them more vulnerable and more likely to become victims of people preying on children - I mean after all, their parent's have taught them sex is okay at any age.  These kids are going to grow up confused and hurt.  Parenting is a huge responsibility and it is decisions - all decisions should be weighed for the child's best interest, not the parent's agenda.  I think these adults are very misguided about putting the children's best interest first.  They just want to enjoy themselves and to hell with what they are exposing the kids to.  This mother will reap the seeds that she is planting and I hope that her conscience will kick in because her children will most like grow up to be grossed out by her and remember their childhood with disgust OR be very sexually active.  Has anyone talked to them about the rate of STD's among teenagers in this country?  Come on Mom - step up to the plate and don't put your children through this.  If one of my child's friends called, I wouldn't tell them if he was in the toilet.  If I was her child, I would file with the court for my freedom from this family.  This is VERY unfortunate for her children.  There is a time for everything and childhood should be filled with childhood memories, not memories of naked parents and sex toys.  Enough said.

wow, that's a bit harsh. mom not creating taboos around sex and pedophile abusing children...c'mon! 

  

"I feel that these children are being "forced" into a lifestye that is optional for adults....are being brainwashed to believe this alternate lifestyle is okay" 

  

how is that? because it's not your lifestyle? cuz some people might say that raising a child with all the christian sex taboos, or catholic shame about sex is 'forcing' children into a lifestyle that is optional for adults, or 'brainwashing' children into thinking it's ok  and normal to be ashamed of sex and your body and your desires etc. I'm assuming you don't hold the same views about, say, catholic parents? why not? would you say it's abuse to raise children catholic, cuz they're too young to decide for themselves, and that all children should be raised agnostic, so they can decide for themselves when they are of an appropriate age?? just seems like a double standard is all, when you judge a way of parenting as abusive, simply because you don't understand it, or wish to raise your children that way. 

  

"This can make them more vulnerable and more likely to become victims of people preying on children - I mean after all, their parent's have taught them sex is okay at any age. " 

  

I don't think she's teaching them that HAVING sex is ok at any age, she's simply teaching them from a young age that one's sexuality is normal and natural and nothing to ashamed/afraid of. and in my experience (both as a sexual abuse survivor and social worker working with young children who've been abused), knowledge makes children LESS vulnerable to child predators. I have known too many children whose abuse continues for years because they simply didn't have the language to tell anyone what was going on. or they had learned that sexual things were secrets, that sexual behaviour was shameful etc etc. If a child knows from a young age "this is your nose, this is your foot, this is your vagina, this is your elbow" and so on, and no part has more shame associated than any other part, and the child is talked to about what constitutes sexual behaviour and what does not, and is given boundaries like 'noone is allowed to touch you in that sexual way'...I would say you have a child that is very well prepared to be safe.  

  

I definitely think it's important to respect a child's space and boundaries and comfort level with any topic, and I don't think it's appropriate to expose a young child to actual sex etc, but i don't think teaching a child to link shame, secrecy and sex is doing a child any favors. I know from experience that an uninformed child is a very, very vulnerbale child. 

  

 
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April 9, 2006, 1:38 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

just to add to my previous post, in case I left the wrong impression - i don't agree with everytthing that family was doing - I certainly don't think shaming a child is ever appropriate, and particularly not in ways like punshing them with nudity or sharing their personal information without their consent - I just think they might have had a good thing going to begin with - educating children about sex from a young age.
 
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April 9, 2006, 2:10 am PDT

I want to clarify

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I was waiting for Dr. Phil to say... WHAT ARE YOU THINKING. Didn't happen. I guess he has his reasons. Hopefully she is being looked into now after the show.  I don't have to agree with his advice though most of the time I do. When I don't, that's ok too. I don't get upset or mad at him. I just know that we are two different people with two different minds, with different experiences and though his may be more professional than mine, I am still entitled to mine, right or wrong, same as he is. :-)
I just wanted to clarify that I didn't mean I was upset or mad at Dr. Phil personally.  I just meant that I sometimes feel a little irriated and completely disagree with the way he handled a guest and or the situation.  This show does not run my life and I take from it what I need to and am able to leave the rest alone and go about my life raising my own family.  All I need to know is that regardless of how others may be choosing to life their lives, that  I am teaching my own children good morals, values,  self esteem and to have a positive attitude toward life.
 
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April 9, 2006, 3:22 am PDT

Kelly, are you a little nutty?

Kelly, I was once obsessive compulsive about grocery store dividers and then I realized what a nut I was! Just because something so trivial is not someone ELSE'S priority doesn't make them in the wrong or bad.  

  

Let's be sensible here: In all reality, the person closest to the cashier has a MUCH easier time reaching the food dividers. SHE should be the one that lies the divider down when someone else approaches with groceries. Often the second person to arrive with groceries can't even reach the divider, which is often far to the front of the aisle and beside the cashier and the first customer in line. Therefore, it makes more sense that YOU (the first in line) place the divder on the counter.  

  

Now get over your little idiosyncrasy and get on with enjoying life! It is MUCH too short for such silliness. If you are wasting even a minute on a silly divider, you are NOT smelling the roses! This comes to you from a FORMER grocery store controlling nut case:) 

 
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