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Topic : 04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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Admit it, you've judged people for doing things you considered inappropriate and abnormal in public. Meet Margaret, a stay-at-home mom who's tired of everyone thinking sex is taboo. She says she absolutely loves sex and she'll talk about it anytime, anywhere ... and with all of her kids. This includes showing them her sex toys, her sex swing and her X-rated Web site! But that's not all. Margaret is in a relationship with another woman, Jen, and Jen's husband. Now that she's pregnant, both women say they plan on breastfeeding the baby. Then, meet a husband who sometimes uses the F word six times in one sentence! Plus, meet three kids who think their mom dresses too sexy, and follow a woman's quest to change people's behavior in the grocery store, one shopper at a time. Join the discussion.

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April 9, 2006, 11:50 pm PDT

What's important?

 I feel like this, Sex is a part of life, I think there are boundaries that need to be imposed , definately. I also think that it is important to discuss issues age appropriately, I wouldn't discuss sex with my 6 year old the same way I would approach the subject with my 14 year old. It's important to not trivialize any question or query a child has, educate with love and understanding. I also believe that you should be honest not brutaly, leave out the gory details but allow your children to see that you are able to make mistakes as long as you learn from them. (not do as I say not as I do) set an example, your children mirror what they see. It may be cute if a 2 year old repeats a swear but if you laugh and make comments that this is amusing they will continue the behavior, this isn't something you want repeated in nursery school.
 

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April 10, 2006, 6:15 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

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At how NOT a CPS issue this is.  It is not illegal to discuss or even provide your child with pornography.  That would make everyones parenting skills/styles called into question, not just those who are way more open that the norm. 

  

It may also interest you to know it isn't a CPS to smoke crack with kids in your house!  We have worked with CPS for almost 6 years and literally walked in to catch the parents smoking it, called the hot line and was told "it's criminal" because the children are fed, have housing and are clean.  

  

Yes, it is a messed up system, but with sexuality it's a whole other ballgame because my morals/standards/childrearing techniques may not be yours and vice versa.  

I think they would investigate a home where a 12 year old is forced to be naked in front of her mother's "husband and his wife".  Your morals/standards/childrearing techniques are called "child sexual abuse".
 
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April 10, 2006, 6:45 am PDT

04/07 Social Taboos: Is This Normal?

sorry i havn't answered any of the questions, i find it hard to navigate through the message board, i couldn't find my first posting, that's why i posted another one, so sorry for that! 

I do think the thing about letting the 12yr old walk naked around the house is WRONG, but talking to her 14yr old about sex, and providing her with birthcontrol and condoms is great. the peoblem i see everywhere is that parents don't do that! whether you like t or not your kids are going to have sex, and yes it will easily happen even at age 14, so isn't it better tp provide them with the things to at least make it safe? what's the chance that her daughters will get pregnant? very slim if you ask me. About the sex toys i think that's up for debate, what will it do to her kid if she sees it? with all the other things the kids are exposed to does it matter? and about the porn site, i think it's o.k that they let her go on it since they don't hide anything else what does it matter? also another thing is that kids will go to porn sites out of curiusity, why make it awkward for them? they want to see what's it's all about, it's a natural learning process that shouldn't be made a big deal out of... personally i think porn sites don't show much of what's happening in real life so they arn't that great of an example for reality, but i think it's o.k to look... basically what i am trying to say is what i really appreciate the family for doing is letting their kids have an open environment where they can discuss this... 

sorry again for not answering the questions before, if there are questions that i didn't answer please write again and i will answer them if i find them! 

 
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April 10, 2006, 6:49 am PDT

Is this normal? Is she nuts?

What in the WORLD is this woman thinking?  Does anybody else consider this child abuse?  I've been a Dr. Phil fan since he started out on Oprah, but I was floored that he didn't call this woman on the carpet and call Social Services on her.  Showing her 3 yr old her sex toys, sharing her porn site with her 14 yr old, walking around naked in the house -- how is that NOT sexual abuse?  These kids need someone to intervene on their behalf.  I only can hope that someone in her neighborhood was watching and called Social Services.  Those kids need to be OUT OF THERE, and that lady needs a wake-up call.  This is *not* being open & honest about sex with your kids -- showing them what a great experience it can be, how two loving people connect, and what commitment means.  This is child sexual abuse, plain and simple.
 
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April 10, 2006, 6:53 am PDT

Disgusted also

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I was totally disgusted (and thats the only word I can use to describe it nicely) after I saw this show. The part about the poly amorous family made me sick to my stomach. I can't believe people are raising thier kids like that and think that they are helping them grow to be well rounded adults. Yes I'm young and have not experienced a ton in my life time but I know well enough that those kids are going to need serious therapy when they get older. How embarrassing for a child to have parents who treat them like that. That is not the way God intended it to be and even if you don't believe in God a person who does not have serious issues like the woman on the show would have to know that she is doing nothing but harming her children. There is a way to teach kids about sex with out totally ruining it for them. And Dr. Phil is right it's not about education for her its about trying to over compensate for what she feels she didn't get and that is the education. What they are doing is unhealthy and it is ruining thier children.
I toally agree with you. She is sick and needs help.
 
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April 10, 2006, 6:56 am PDT

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As a mother I was absolutely appauled at the devastation this woman is causing in her childrens lives. I felt that this was almost a form of molestation. It is so unfair for this woman to expose these innocent babies to such a make believe gross world that the normal person wouldnt want to be apart of.....much less expose there children too. Does she not realize she is setting her kids up to be judged especially now that she has taken it on national TV! What parent would ever let there child play at her house and what mother would let her son date this crazy womens daughter knowing what the whole world knows about her and her family! What a selfish woman, think about your kids instead of yourself!  Those children deserve a chance to know what a normal loving relationship between MAN AND WIFE is like. THey deserve to know what a first kiss is like without the screwed up vision of sex toys or multiple partners. What a wimp this man is in there lives....BE A MAN and do whats right for these kids! Give them a chance to be children and give them a safe place to fall and not on a vibrator! Most parents live there whole lives protecting there children from kids like this that have been exposed to too much ( Me being one of them) I would fight tooth and nail to keep my son from being exposed to these things and especially to these kids...And I am sure that most of america agrees!  Is this women so insecure that she would sell her kids out to be in a relationship? Is she so desperate that the kids lives are just not important...what a disgrace as a parent! The best thing that could ever happen to give them a fighting chance in life is that CPS would step in! 

I completely agree with you.  I couldn't help but be concerned for the children in this family, especially when Margaret issues punishment to the 12 yr old by making her undress and walk around nude for 2 hours.  I was concerned the husband could molest her.  This is not a smart decision by a parent, who knows, the girlfriend could also molest her, she is bi-sexual.  I was also concerned by the fact the 14 yr old was talking with her Mother about needing birth control.  She sees her Mother, her girlfriend and her boyfriend talk and behave so freely about sex, she doesn't see any big deal about it.  this is very, very sad.  This is a very messed up family, with too many issues for Dr. Phil to address in one segment or a whole series of shows.  I'm sure Dr. Phil realized Margert wasn't interested in correcting the situation, she was there to defend it.  I couldn't believe I was hearing/watching what I was - from Margaret being pregnant with her girlfriend's husband's baby to both women breastfeeding, to the children knowing so much about the toys the adults have and to seeing them in the bathroom, it was very disturbing.  I'm very concerned about the children and their future.  It's scary to think another child is coming into this crazy "love triangle".  The children don't have a fighting chance unless someone removes them from the home.  I pray for those children and their parents......
 
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April 10, 2006, 6:58 am PDT

Right on the Money

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I don't even know if Disfunctional would term these animals because lets face...they have taken the human element out of any act they perform on each other. And then have the nerve to throw the word "love" around like they have a clue.
You both are right on the money!  These kids are being hyper-sexualized -- how is this NOT abuse?  This is the most upsetting show I've ever seen on Dr. Phil.  And frankly, I was surprised he didn't let her have it more than he did.  Let's hope Social Services is on the way.  Who knows how long before one of the kids is invited into the bedroom, since obviously anything goes in their household.  The idea others have posted about "burning smokers at the stake" and letting your kids be "free" sexually is just nuts.  Somebody needs to start standing up for these kids and their right not to a sexualized house but to a safe house.
 
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April 10, 2006, 7:04 am PDT

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girls get pregnant in their teens because no one talks openly like this to them about sex. i think the family is doing a great job making their kids feel free, and comfortable to talk about sex, which after all is a natural thing everyone runs to in life. it is good that they will be well informed and be able to make the right decisions! 

She is sick and you should not be making excuses for her. That family is not doing a good job and you are crazy if you think they are. I was not educated like that about sex and I turned out fine. I did not have my first baby until I was 20 years old. I was not a whore either. There is a difference in educated your children about sex, and going waaaay overboard and that is what she is doing. And what kind of mother is she, sleeping with a married couple with her children under the same roof. People is so stupid now adays.
 

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April 10, 2006, 7:09 am PDT

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sorry i havn't answered any of the questions, i find it hard to navigate through the message board, i couldn't find my first posting, that's why i posted another one, so sorry for that! 

I do think the thing about letting the 12yr old walk naked around the house is WRONG, but talking to her 14yr old about sex, and providing her with birthcontrol and condoms is great. the peoblem i see everywhere is that parents don't do that! whether you like t or not your kids are going to have sex, and yes it will easily happen even at age 14, so isn't it better tp provide them with the things to at least make it safe? what's the chance that her daughters will get pregnant? very slim if you ask me. About the sex toys i think that's up for debate, what will it do to her kid if she sees it? with all the other things the kids are exposed to does it matter? and about the porn site, i think it's o.k that they let her go on it since they don't hide anything else what does it matter? also another thing is that kids will go to porn sites out of curiusity, why make it awkward for them? they want to see what's it's all about, it's a natural learning process that shouldn't be made a big deal out of... personally i think porn sites don't show much of what's happening in real life so they arn't that great of an example for reality, but i think it's o.k to look... basically what i am trying to say is what i really appreciate the family for doing is letting their kids have an open environment where they can discuss this... 

sorry again for not answering the questions before, if there are questions that i didn't answer please write again and i will answer them if i find them! 

My daughter and I have a truly open environment to talk about everything-not just sex.  She KNOWS without the slightest doubt that what she shares with me won't be repeated without her consent. I wonder how open a child can be in an environment where her private communications get aired on national TV to try to justify her parent's lifestyle.  My daughter wouldn't consider that "openess" she would consider it a breach of her confidence.
 
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April 10, 2006, 7:22 am PDT

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the fact that they went on national TV is a different sotry, yes it's stupid and there is no real reason for that but what can you do? 

like i said i think out of all the things that were said in the show i was most impressed about thw whole gving her daugther birth control pills and condoms, because if she is already involved with a guy at least the moms and dad can be assured that if and when they decide to have sex at least it will be safe, i think that's most important. 

Also the fact is that kids are going to learn about sex no matter what, you can't keep it away from them these days, but if you are the one to approach them and talk openly about it, and answer their questions honestly then you can "implant" your thoughts, at the end they will be the ones making the decisions in any case, but when the moment comes when they have to decide there is a good chance they will think about what you told them...  

About the whole sex toys thing i think it's a matter of what they find is important, if they think their kids should learn about sex toys then it's their right. 

 
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