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Topic : 04/12 Dangerous Love

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Created on : Friday, April 07, 2006, 10:09:03 am
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If two people are truly in love, does anyone have the right to judge them? What if their relationship crosses moral boundaries? Jeremy, 16, is disturbed that his 45-year-old father, Chuck, is engaged to a 17-year-old girl who used to be his classmate. Chuck says he wants to spend the rest of his life with Michelle. The constant fighting in the house led to Jeremy moving out. Why did Michelle's mom allow her daughter to move in with Chuck? Did Chuck mislead her? See what Dr. Phil tells these parents they must do. Then, Angela is repulsed that her brother, Anthony, wants to marry their second cousin, Tosha. Anthony says he loves Tosha and nothing's going to stop their relationship from moving forward. Does Angela have a legitimate reason to be concerned? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 13, 2006, 11:41 am PDT

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I would also like to add, myself having been in Michelles situation, that yes you think you are more mature than your age! BLAH BLAH BLAH. That is exactly what "they" (the older man) drills into your head so the make you believe you are doing a MATURE thing and making MATURE decisions. But face it, you are 17... 
 
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April 13, 2006, 12:06 pm PDT

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Is this a joke????  We are talking about a minor here!!! 

No! She is not going to be a minor much longer does anyone consider that? If she is 17 1/2 then she will be turning 18 this year right?

 
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April 13, 2006, 12:51 pm PDT

Chuck/Michelle

hmmm...I posted before viewing.  I don't wish to retract my comment -still, whether together or apart, I wish them as well as humanly possible.  Hope they receive the guidance and support they so obviously need.

 

I don't feel anger or disgust, but more sympathetic to those involved. 

 

Michelle doesn't even appear to be 17.  More like 12 - 13 at best.  Her Mom wasn't able to confirm her daughter's "maturity" so, one way or another, difficulties are certain to occur.

 

 

 

 

 
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April 13, 2006, 1:12 pm PDT

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hmmm...I posted before viewing.  I don't wish to retract my comment -still, whether together or apart, I wish them as well as humanly possible.  Hope they receive the guidance and support they so obviously need.

 

I don't feel anger or disgust, but more sympathetic to those involved. 

 

Michelle doesn't even appear to be 17.  More like 12 - 13 at best.  Her Mom wasn't able to confirm her daughter's "maturity" so, one way or another, difficulties are certain to occur.

 

 

 

 

Why does it matter how old she appears to be?
 
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April 13, 2006, 1:39 pm PDT

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Just out of curiosity, what happened to Chuck's first (?) wife (the mother of Jeremy)? 

maybe she was a child too, and she became an adult too and realized what was going on?
 
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April 13, 2006, 1:43 pm PDT

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And I can't believe how narrowminded your posts are! You accuse everyone else of babbling when it is you who don't know what you are talking about.  You are encouraging an emotionally fragile and immature 17 year old to stick it out with a guy that is clearly using her based on your situation which you can't see beyond.  I wonder what the percentage of successful marriages where there is a 17 year old involved is.  I imagine it is pretty low.  Especially with people like Michelle.  So stop harping on everyone on here.  It is you that has a very narrow focus and you are giving Michelle poor advice if you are telling her to stay with him based on your situation.
All I am saying is that you are all judging this situation based on very little information.  How do you know she is emotionally fragile?  Or immature?  I think  a marriage between a 17 year old and an older man has a much greater success rate than two 17 year olds.  And I am telling Michelle to stay in her relationship if this is what she truly wants and it makes her happy.
 
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April 13, 2006, 1:43 pm PDT

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No! She is not going to be a minor much longer does anyone consider that? If she is 17 1/2 then she will be turning 18 this year right?

she was 15 when they got together. if someone is molesting a child and that child grows up and says they want to marry the adult, we'd all think how awful it was that the molester had messed the kid up so much and groomed her to believe they loved each other. no-one would say 'well now she's an adult, she's able to decide'. this creep has been doing creepy things with michelle since she was 15...turning 18 won't suddenly erase all the influence he has created over her since she was a child, it just allows him to duck the law.
 
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April 13, 2006, 1:49 pm PDT

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Just because you were one of the rare exceptions and your marriage of a 17 year old and a 37 year old happened to work out does not mean that Michelle's or any other 17 year olds would work out.  For the most part 17 year olds are way too young to be married.  They don't have the judgement of an adult yet to make such an important decision.  I think that most times it would be based on lust rather than love.  And alot of 17 year olds would choose someone based on the car he drives, his looks, and what he wears.  That is the level that most 17 year olds are on.  Michelle has demonstrated that she has extremely poor judgement by using drugs and dropping out of school. Her parents are basically absent from her life-if not physically then certainly emotionally.  The mother is in outer space.Michelle is also lazy and can't hold a job. The guy is a user capitalizing on her situation and using her as a toy for his own gratification. So who are you to say that they should be together if they are "happy"?  Michelle has run away from a horrendous home situation and she needs serious counseling and several years of growing up before she can make an informed decision about a marital partner.  You need to stop generalizing and not apply your situation to Michelles.
I agree with most of what you say....where are her parents?  And most 17 year olds do not know what they want.  I have raised 7 kids so I know this well.  However, you have no information to be asuming that chuck is using her as a "toy for his own gratification."  He may love her very much.  They looked very happy together.  Would there be less judgment on their situation if Chuck was 21?  How about 28?  Or 30?  Think about it...all this judgment is because of his age.....and assuming he has bad charater.
 
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April 13, 2006, 1:51 pm PDT

WHY?

im just curious as to what a 45 year old man with 2 sons.. can see in a 17 year old high school drop out? i dont care WHAT the law says.. this just does not seem morally right in any way. and i know some people will say "age is just a number" and it depends on her "maturity" but this girl is about as mature as a green banana! if shes droping out of school with no job and possibly doing drugs and drinking at the age of 17, im sorry but that shows ABSOLUTLY no maturity! and the mother of this girl should be dragging her home EVERY time she runs away! because if your husband couldnt make it to the show because he would cause this man harm... there is OBVIOUSLY some very very wrong about this situation!
 
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April 13, 2006, 1:54 pm PDT

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Quote From: sanlace

I really wish Dr Phil spoke to Chuck more about the abusive affect this relationship is having on michelle, and I think he was too soft on Chuck. I would have liked to see Dr Phil get all worked up like he normally does when these stories involve children.
I don't agree with everything dr. phil says/does, but he does seem really good at assessing people and interacting with them in a way they will hear. some people take a good chewing out as a wake up call, but some people just check out as soon as you just start telling them they are wrong. I think this guy woulda just checked out and sat there thinking 'yeah sure...ok, whatever you think...dum dee dum...you just keep blabbering" etc, had dr.phil really gotten all worked up. for someone like this, I think dr. phil thought just calmly challenging his logic (and his 'love') would get through to him more than being confrontational.
 
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