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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:12:18 pm
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What happens when a child you’ve loved and raised turns against you? Meet families who are afraid for their lives because their children are angry and incredibly violent. Thirteen-year-old Nick is so out of control, he has used an ax to destroy his home, often chokes his little brother, and has threatened friends and family members with a knife! His aunt, Tonya, fears for the family's safety so much that she calls every morning just to make sure her sister is still alive. Dr. Phil informs Nick's parents, Greg and Trisha, that they have a tough decision to make. Then, Laurie says her 14-year-old daughter, Mariah, hates her so much that she feels Mariah is capable of killing her. They get in knock-down, drag-out fights at least twice a week that don't end until Mariah is physically pulled off her mother by her stepfather. Laurie's husband, Don, is ready to call it quits because he can't deal with his stepdaughter's violent and rebellious behavior. What is behind Mariah’s anger? Talk about the show here.

 

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April 17, 2006, 9:07 pm PDT

I wept when I read your post

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Laurie and Don, I can certainly understand all you are going through.Laurie my brotjer was murdered in1985 and he left behind a 3yr old daughter he had custody of.She was returned to her Mother and her young life was hell.At age 12 she came to live with me.She was into thr gang scene.The bloods and the crips.She really didn't understand the true nature, it just seemed cool. I found her older sister right before Easter and she wanted to go see her.I didn't realize I was about to be poisioned for my interference with trying to stop the gang activity at school. Well she tried to kill me.I to this day do not beleive she wanted for me to die.She just wanted to be cool. She had been sexually abused by her previous step-father and others.Later she ran away, and her Mom hid her out. I did find her and I put her in my car and drove her to juvenille hall. I then had her placed in a long term treatment program. She had to earn the right to have even her street clothes and shoestrings. Eventually the counselors  and I brought her Mom and new step-father into the group  theraphy program. My neice spent almost a year there.She was approved for medicade. She was reunited with her Mom with outpatient family counseling.Since I had been awarded guardianship when she came to live with me I released her back to her Mom. The treatment saved my neice and her Mom.A few weeks out at home with her Mom she tried a few of the old tricks. Her Mom put her in her car and drove her back for a 30 day refreshment course. To date she is doing well. Mom still married to step-father and they function as a normal sorts of family. We are somewhat distant as I had to reveal some horrible truths about her,her Mom and my brothers marriage. I am very thankful as is everyone that I finally said,"Enough', and showed her who really was in control. I beleive Mariah has suffered something she is not sharing with you,and too ashamed or scared to say. do not blame her for her emotions and actions. I am not by any means bad mouthing you or Don, however children and adults act out on and by learned behaviors as a rule. Don on another note, greiving the loss of your son.It has been almost 2yrs since my now 32yr old daughter has been seen or heard from.As her Mom I know that I will not see her here on this earth again.She has gone on to be with the Lord. She is my only daughter,my pride and joy.I miss her smell,love,laughter.Our long talks,and our disagreements.She left  behind 2 lil girls ages now 5 and 7yrs.April has been my life since the day I found out that I was pregnant. I am heartbroken so very sad for her, all the things I know that you feel.We beleive she was murdered and thrown down a mineshaft in the Mojave Desert. Tim Miller with Equusearch is going to condduct a search just any day. I dug most of her clothes that were in her suitcase up myself. What a heartbreak. What would april expect me to do??? She depended on me always to make things right for her. And I can serve her no purpose if I let my greif overcome me. I have to be her voice and seek justice for her. She would have me fight for the Missing adults. If I allow the human emotions within to take me over,I would crack up, and I allow the same persons who took her from her girls to take me from them too. I pray and "BELEIVE", cause I need to beleive.And I beleive that I will be reunited with April and will not remember this pain and claim the Lords' strength to give me the courage to face right now,tomorrow,tonight. His word is true,and we can make a choice to "Beleive'. Please allow yourself to beleive that your son is at peace now,nobody can ever harm him. beleive he is with the Lord in Heaven,and that this is only temporary loss. You will soon be together Forever!!!! May God Bless and lead all of you. You will all be in my prayers.Blessings.
My heart goes out to you.  I pray for justice for your darling April.  I pray for peace and healing for you.
 
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April 17, 2006, 9:40 pm PDT

This was like watching my own son

Don't judge until you walk a mile in the shoes of parents who deeply love there child but don't know where to turn or what to do my son has been in a residential state run treatment center for almost 2 years and he doesn't seem to be improving much but I still hope and I still Love him
 
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April 17, 2006, 9:41 pm PDT

I have a son like this

My son at age 12 started assulting me and his two younger sisters. I did all the counseling that I could. By 13.5, he was 5'10", 220 lbs. I was not able to "make him" do anything, get up for school, go to bed, stop screaming obscentities in the hall in the middle of the night or anyone of his other "stunts" to get a reaction. Could not get him to go to the counselor, the list goes on and on. The therapist told us he was imitating his father's behavior of abuse at me(we were divorced) in order to seek his father's approval as his father was a "conditional" type personality. He chased me with knives, cornered me in closets telling me he was going to kill me. Eventually, when at my last straw, I called the police and had him taken to juvinile hall/court withe the intention of getting a court order to get him put into an inpatient psych unit. BUT, After a night in jail, his father showed up at court and took him home and took custody of him (dad had never abused the children, only me). (At that point, I felt there was no options for me or my other children, father had oodles of money to fight me). And....dad "bonded" with him in some sick way since dad had gone out of the house in cuffs also. Today, he is 23 years old. Still violent, still angry at the world, still hateful. I just wait for the day that I get the call that he has killed himself or someone else. It's a helpless, hopeless situation and I totally understand these families pain. I've had to distance myself from him now and only have a relationship with him because of the 3 children he has fathered. It's so hard to love your child so much and dislike them at the same time. Sadly, I just know that the day is coming when he will kill himself or someone else. I understand these mothers.....I wish I didn't.
 
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April 17, 2006, 9:44 pm PDT

04/17 Dangerous Kids

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I watched todays show and it hit home.  I have the same problem with my 14 year old son, however we are in a divorced situation.  I am remarried and so is his mother.  I agree that my son is violent and needs to be moved to another location for professional residence work.  His mother will not consent, even though we have 50/50 custody.  He is violent towards his mother and has even been arrested for taking a knife towards his brother.  Is there any suggestions on how to work through this impasse??  His mother is a true enabler and has given him everything so that he will not rage against her.  He has even stopped coming to my house on assigned days because he will not live with my rules. 
I had the same problem but in reverse. My ex and his family enabled 10 years ago and continue to do it today. I wish I had words of encouragement. I will say however, that you must stand your ground and do not enable.
 
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April 17, 2006, 10:10 pm PDT

Violance in the home

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I watched todays show and it hit home.  I have the same problem with my 14 year old son, however we are in a divorced situation.  I am remarried and so is his mother.  I agree that my son is violent and needs to be moved to another location for professional residence work.  His mother will not consent, even though we have 50/50 custody.  He is violent towards his mother and has even been arrested for taking a knife towards his brother.  Is there any suggestions on how to work through this impasse??  His mother is a true enabler and has given him everything so that he will not rage against her.  He has even stopped coming to my house on assigned days because he will not live with my rules. 

After watching today's show and reading your message, I would like to share my experience with you in hopes that you find a solution.

 I have a 16 yr old son and have been divorced from his father for 13 yrs. From early on, (about age 3 or 4) our son was always angry and I never knew why. He was in and out of counseling for many many years but it seemed that nothing was ever resolved. About the age of seven, he became violent towards me and for years I threatened to call the police on him but never did because I thought they would think I was crazy. The last time my son assulted me, he was 13 yrs old. I was at my witts end with him and I  called the police. He was taken to juvenile hall and left there for a day or so. To this day, he has never laid a hand on me or even threatened too.

I still have struggles with him and ,at this time he has choosen to live with his father because he will not live by my rules. It was the hardest thing to let him go but I am standing firm in my rules and I won't budge. Kids need rules and boundries.

It's unfortunant that your ex wife is playing the role of enabler as this only makes matters worst. Perhaps she will change roles when the situation becomes unbearable.

Good luck and stand firm.

 
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April 17, 2006, 10:17 pm PDT

PEOPLE WITH NOTHING BETTER TO DO!!

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Mariah wasn't born this way. Laurie created her rage. When this little girl was a 2 y.o. baby and mom "just needed me time" and locked herself in the bathroom, it was undoubtedly not the first time mom left this little girl hanging. I have no doubt that Laurie abandoned this baby to go off on "dates" and enjoy "me time" pretty often, giving Mariah a sense of abandonment early on. The whole show was about how Laurie was being victimized. Her whines wouldn't have been more transparent if she'd have just said, "I'm too hot to be spending time as a mother". Mariah is now just pushing back the way her mother taught her. In a couple of years Mariah will be even older and more desperate and will be trying to find ways to insinuate herself into her daughter's social life (flirting with her boyfriends, etc.), instead of assuming the role of a comforting and engaged mother figure. Laurie is so disconnected from her daughter and ESPECIALLY her daughter's needs, that Mariah would be better off being raised by strangers.  My heart breaks for the suffering Mariah feels. Laurie is so self-involved she won't even burden herself with empathy for her own daughter.

AS A MATTER OF FACT, I WAS WITH HER FATHER UNTIL SHE WAS 8 YEARS OLD!!! SO UHHHH DATES, I DONT THINK SO! JUST FOR THE RECORD, I NEVER WENT OUT, AND HER FATHER WAS OUT WHILE I SAT AT HOME NIGHT AFTER NIGHT!! I WAS WITH MY KIDS DAY AND NIGHT WHEN I WASN'T WORKING.

SO BEFORE YOU GO JUDGING SOMEONE YOU DON'T KNOW, MAYBE YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR TIME AND ENERGY TOWARDS A HOBBY! I THINK YOU ARE ACTING ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN COMMON SENSE.. WHINING, YEAH RIGHT! JUST BECAUSE SOMEONE REACHES OUT FOR HELP DOESN'T MEAN THEIR WHINING.

OH AND BY THE WAY!!! ONLY HAD 2 RELATIONSHIPS OVER A TWENTY YEAR PERIOD IN MY LIFE. SO MEN WERE NOT HIGH ON MY LIST OF THINGS TO DO!  

 
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April 17, 2006, 10:18 pm PDT

Spanking vs abuse

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How is spanking a child right?  Abuse is abuse.  No matter what you call it.  Spanking=hitting=abuse  My mother didn't hit me growing up. She always said "No Lyla, don't hit mommy" and except for a few rough  years between 8 and 13, I've never had any problems.  I am happily married at 20 years old, working in a grocery store as a cashier days and as a police dispatcher at night AND in school to be a police officer.  I cant tell you how sick it makes me when I hear stories in the office of Officers going to Domestics calls that started out as a spanking where the kid finally had had enough of being hit.

Abuse is the intent to cause great bodily harm for your own sick pleasure.  Spanking is done without the intent of causing harm but to bruise the ego a bit. I grew up and was spanked as was all my friends.  We (1964) aren't the generation of gang bangers, violent juveniles that run wild today.  We didnt bring guns to school, we didn't attack teachers, we didnt disrespect authority like today.  We weren't perfect but we sure were not as violent.  I had a heathly fear of my parents knowing if I didnt do right I'd pay the price.  A tap on the butt is alot better than a dead kid.  I think in my son's life he's been spanked twice...both for serious issues.  Its all about balance and making sure the punishment fits the crime.  No one who spanks, at least in my book, would get enjoyment from spanking their child...people who abuse do get enjoyment...  Why does everyone think its better to have kids that don't have parents that care where they are, what they do or who they hurt.  I'm a responsible parent as are my friends.  I've never seen spanking used in excess...its the last resort when you need to get attention.  Its a swat on the butt...not a beating...not anything damaging.  It didnt damage me or my sister.  It damage my husband and it sure hasnt hurt my son or neices.  I am yet to be convinced time outs and saying no are the way to go...Seems to me they are the kids that run wild in stores, have no discipline and rule the house...its not a good thing.  (and I do realize there are exceptions to every rule)

 

And if a child has had enough of being spanked and it ends up with the cops called..that wasnt getting spanked..that was getting beat...  I've NEVER beat my child...spanking is one or two swats on the butt and made to go to his room or whatever. 

 

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April 17, 2006, 10:23 pm PDT

Don needs to step up

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You are way off on that one buddy, she needs a male role model in her life and stabilty that is for sure.  Getting rid of Don is not the answer that is for sure.  Laurie needs him for support more than anything.

 

I agree...I think this girl needs Don...but he needs to deal with his grief and then work with her on rebuilding a shaky past.  It seems to me she hasnt had it that easy and is acting out in frustration with situations she cant begin to know how to deal with.  I'm sure if she felt the relationship changed when the son died, she took another step backwards in her own self worth.  Don seemed like a good guy or that he could be but he's not working thru the grief. My mother in law has done that with the death of her daughter about 6 months before I met my husband.  She now 3 1/2 years later still acts like it happened yesterday.  For anything to change with them, one thing is Don HAS to deal with the grief and not confuse the issue with resentment toward his stepdaughter.  She deserves that regardless of her behavior.

 

 

 
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April 17, 2006, 10:28 pm PDT

04/17 Dangerous kids

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Basically i think that my fiance's ex-girlfriend is having some of these same issues with his 8 year old son. He lives with his mother and we received a phone call saying that the 8 year old boy strangled his 5 year old brother twice already since the year began. ANd on the last occasion she coaught him and the 5 year old was almost passed out. She also says that the 8 yr old killed his pet birds by strangling also. But when we told her to send him to us because im a stay at home mother and i can give him time and we can be able to give him the help he needs (she has 4 other kids to deal with) she refuses to send him to us because she says she can handle him. I personally feel like she isnt doing a great job of "handling" it so far and i dont think she will be able to. But what can we do to get him with us so that we can do the right thing? I am tremedously upset by this and they arent even my kids. We just dont know what to do....

Go to court and request custody, request a evaluation of the child...you have to step up and fight for this kid before its to late to help him.  Mom obviously is in some denial but you will never forgive yourself if you don't try to make a difference...

 

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April 17, 2006, 10:44 pm PDT

I AGREE

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You dont have to hit her. Just dont give her anything. Her attitude will change when she wants some clothes, money for movies, rides to places, etc.......Until she starts respecting you,,,,,,refuse to give her things. Her attitude will change.
THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM DOING!!! I AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT
 
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