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Topic : 08/02 "I Love Myself!"

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(Original Air Date: 04/20/06) Do you know someone who craves attention so badly that he or she will do anything to get it? One family believes their loved one is a master manipulator and her ways are causing a major conflict in the household. Hilary claims she wouldn’t shed a tear if her stepdaughter, Shannon, died tomorrow. She calls Shannon a narcissist and says she will lie, fight and cuss just to be noticed. Shannon feels like a scapegoat, and thinks her stepmother is simply out to get her. When Shannon was younger, her biological mom died, and now she believes Hilary has turned her father and sister against her. Is Shannon’s behavior all an act, or do her father and stepmother need to change how they deal with her? Share your thoughts, join the discussion.

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April 20, 2006, 9:10 am PDT

Shannon

 First of all...I was raised with an evil step-mother!!!  She was nice to us kids when my Dad or other relatives was there. But, just as soon as they were gone she was Mean. She abused us!  But, I'm not complaining..just stating facts. My mom left me and my brother when I was 2 1/2.  (we still don't know what has happened to her)!!  My step- mother came into the picture when I was 5.  So, as a child I did everything I was told to do and as soon as I turned 16,  I got married and moved Out (the marriage didn't last but 3 months).  I think she needs to just move out and go to another  place to live, either on her own or with someone that Really cares...plus councelling to help her deal with her emotions.   My Heart goes out to her!  
 

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April 20, 2006, 9:17 am PDT

Once again, Shannon is on center stage

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Why am I not surprized that this issue has turned into step mom bashing?  Shannon is not a child she is 15 years old and she should have some responsibility for her actions.   

Shannon is a prime example of the old saying "You can lead a horse to water..."  She has been seen by a therapist on more than one occasion, but instead of trying to get to the root of her problem, it is much more fun for her to destroy other people's lives. 

So all you Snow White's and Cinderella's please don't tell me how evil step mom's are.  It is not a crime for a parent not  to want to live the rest of there lives alone.  I was THRILLED when my Mom remarried, because unlike you whiners I  didn't want her to be lonley and unhappy and I realized that I shouldn't be the center of her universe forever and ever amen. 

Shannon is manipulating everyone around her.  Including Doctor Phil.    

  

Big surprise that Dr. Phil is going to find a wonderful therapy program for the whole family.   Hours of appointments, crying, soul searching will go by.   The whole family is put on a roller - coaster again, but Shannon will continue with her antics.    

  

Shannon will be in the spot light again.  Isn't that where she should be?  After all, if she is asked to do chores, just like the other kids, that means she is being bullied.   After years of her tantrums and bad behavior, even Dr. Phil would be screaming at her.     

  

Her father and step mother are shell shocked.  They tried many times to get to the root of Shannon's problem, but nothing worked.  No wonder they found the school in Mexico, where Shannon lived for a year.   They tried other avenues of treatment, they were looking for an solution.  

  

The general public does not know how it feels to live with a person who continually pulls the carpet out from under their feet.      As long as Shannon can play the victim, but still be the cause of constant turmoil in her family, Shannon will continue to do so.     

  

The parents need counseling.  They need to learn how to handle Shannon's nonsense so that there is an end to it.   They need to concentrate on the other children in the family who are behaving in a responsible manner.  How fair is it to the other children that Shannon gets center stage all of the time?    

  

Tell Shannon to suck it up and shut it up, in  a few years she will be 18, and on her own.  Then she can see how the real world treats people who behave badly.  

   

   

   

   

   

 
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April 20, 2006, 9:22 am PDT

To Shannon

Shannon, hopefully this therapy that Dr. Phil is arranging will be eye-opening for you.  From what was shown on the show, I think you need to move out.  Dr. Phil mentioned that you were working and that you were going to college.  However, "she" mentioned you had a 1.8 gpa.  If that's true and if money is an issue (which it is for most of us), then stop going to college right now and pursue full time work.  With the extra money you can support your self independently, or maybe share rent with a girlfriend.  This is just my opinion, but take care of your mental health first and your education later.  Unless miracles happen when the "parents" get counseling, things aren't going to change for you.  So make the changes for youself.  It may be sad and it may not be the way you want it to be, but you have to get real and take care of yourself.  Pray for God's help, I will pray for you too.  Connie 

  

P.S. I cannot imagine how you must have felt being told you were going on vacation and being left in a boarding school for a year!  You have already shown you are smarter than me because I do believe that when I returned home, I probably would have run away and never looked back. 

 
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April 20, 2006, 9:28 am PDT

04/20 "I Love Myself!"

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Hello, I need help. I am convinced my daughter in law is a Narcissist. I know, mother in law jokes but I'm serious. There is a lot of trouble in the marriage because of NPD traits but I have never suggested to my son that his wife has NPD. 

How do I continue to learn about NPD, how do I tell my son and how do I communicate with my daughter in law? 

She has hurt and talked about every member of our family. No one likes her, not our family or his friends. The only reason anyone is in her company is because they love their brother/friend so much. 

What do I do? 

I sure need a friend to help me figure this out. 

Thanks,  

Patti 

I know someone who I believed had this disorder, because of this, I have done research into it. I person with this disorder has most importantly a grand sense of self, they also believe that they are more important, they lack empathy, they often feel as though they should be up high...as with the wealthy and famous, they live in their own little world and rarely in reality, they often think and act as though the world revolves around them. A person with this disorder may claim something along the lines of 'I know Jay Leno, and he told me I am one of his best friends he's ever met' when they in fact never met Jay Leno. They may claim that they make $40,000 a year when in fact they are without a job or on min. wage. They do not care who they hurt and rarely see someone else's pain, but care very intensely what is said about them and will become easily enraged when critisism is directed toward them. These are some examples that I hope will help you and as I said I am not a doctor and this is my research into the disorder. If in fact you really do believe she has this, I would be very careful what I say or do around her as someone with this disorder will not take said things lightly and some narsissitics can become violent if they do indeed possess this. When you speak with her, I would not be direct and I would choose my words carefully. If she lacks many of these symptoms, she is likely just a very selfish and or rude person. It would be hard to talk to your son if he sees no problems as he may become offended and defensive toward her. You know your son best.
 
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April 20, 2006, 9:34 am PDT

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April 20, 2006, 9:36 am PDT

04/20 "I Love Myself!"

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Hello, I need help. I am convinced my daughter in law is a Narcissist. I know, mother in law jokes but I'm serious. There is a lot of trouble in the marriage because of NPD traits but I have never suggested to my son that his wife has NPD. 

How do I continue to learn about NPD, how do I tell my son and how do I communicate with my daughter in law? 

She has hurt and talked about every member of our family. No one likes her, not our family or his friends. The only reason anyone is in her company is because they love their brother/friend so much. 

What do I do? 

I sure need a friend to help me figure this out. 

Thanks,  

Patti 

   

   

If you really care about this girl, which I dont feel from your post, take the time to find out what damaged her so badly that shes acting this way !  

   

Ill tell you from experience, you start on your son with your idea on her and you'll end up driving HIM away ! Ive been there and done that...and I ended up the looser. You start telling him whats wrong with his choice of a partner, your questioning his ability to choose...and that ONE HUGE MISTAKE !  

   

The best thing you can do is simply keep your mouth shut and let your kids work it out. Doesnt matter if you love or hate thier choices, or what you think. That was THIER choice, not yours.  

 
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April 20, 2006, 9:42 am PDT

don't judge too quickly

Unless you live with a person who has acted the way Shannon has acted in the past, you have no idea what the family has gone, or still is going through.  I personally know of a situation like this and would not presume to know what to advise them to do, as their child is an adult now.  I didn't get to hear the end of the program, but I'm hoping Dr. Phil suggested counseling for the whole family, individually and together, until they can reach a solution agreeable to everyone.
 
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April 20, 2006, 9:43 am PDT

Poor Father

Shannon's father needs to meet my father, they are just alike.  My stepmother moved into our home and just took over.  My father was such a wus that he still to this day can't stand up for us.  The nerve of Hilliary to come into Shannon's home and remove all of her mother's picutres make me sick.  And then to move her out of her room and keep or break her stuff.  (my stepmother did the same thing to me)  I really feel for Shannon becasue this will go with her the rest of her life.  And beleive me as soon as the other sister gets old enough to have an opinion that is not the same as Hillary, she will be the evil one.  Shannon make your own life finish school,  move on and show them what you can be and they will someday want to be a part of your life and you will have the option of saying yes or no to them.  Hillary you need serious help, you are the one with the problem.  And dad, be a dad and stand up for your own child and stop thinking with other parts of your body.  You need to put Hilliary out and welcome your daughter with open arms.   

 
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April 20, 2006, 9:45 am PDT

Ignorance is certainly NOT bliss for Shannon

 I am surprised this girl is as "together "as she is.  Shannon be proud of  the things you have accomplished and holding it together as well as you have under  some extreme circumstances.  There are a lot of people who would have been drug users, alcoholic's, self destructive, promiscuous etc.  Be proud of that and continue to move forward while resolving through therapy your anger issues which you clearly have and justify ably so.
This Father should be ashamed of himself.  He has clearly taken the easy way out and used ignorance as an escape goat to justify putting his own needs (new wife) first.
Notice 2 daughters, 2 different reactions to the situation.  Neither one had a choice about the situation and could not control that, but each could control their reaction.  One choose to be non confrontational and be the "good girl" the other choose to oppose.
Now going back to being a teenager.  Hello Dad  and stepmother, teenagers are self absorbed, bull headed, confrontational and a host of other things, some of them not so pleasant.  I have 3 teenage boys.  I would never ever send any of them away where I could not have contact..  You tossed Shannon aside so things would go smoother.  Sometimes things don't go as smooth as we may like them to with our children and sometimes there are reasons to have them be somewhere else, but not where there is no contact.  I know this, as my brother was sent away as recommended by the school system to my single mother raising five children alone.  He was very difficult, and 30 years ago there was no tolerance , no such thing as drugs for what  we call today add or adhd so they just put you in a mental home, but as with Shannon this approach does not work. Especially if it is not your fault, or you don't have a medical condition, but just need the right guidance.  When my mother after being at this place on a couple of occasions found out what it was like,  my brother was put in the car and taken home with the people saying you can't do that.  She said "he is MY son I can do that!  This should have been done for Shannon.
This step mother needs to but out and this father needs to step up to the plate and be a hero for his daughter though from the show today I believe he will stay is HIS blissful (blissful for him) ignorance at the expense of his daughter.  Another example of a man being weak and manipulated by an insecure yet dominant female. Obvious from the step mom bringing up the grade point average.  I suppose she is perfect!!
Shannon you need to prove all these people wrong.  Be oppositional in that way.  Be the best student you can and make a great life for yourself.  These people are a negative influence and you don't need them.
 
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April 20, 2006, 9:50 am PDT

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Dear Dr. Phil,  

  I watched your show today & was apalled at the parents of shannon.  Being the parent of a troubled child myself,  I could not understand the thought process of which these parents warrented the treatment of this child.  For the father to refuse the thought that he had not contributed to his daughters problems is total denial.  I agree she has a problem but the father & step mother totally contributed to their daughters problems.  I hope they accept counseling & learn how to deal with a child... who has suffered all the losses Shannon has experienced her her very short life.  

  This is the first time I have responded to a show but, felt so compelled, knowing what I went through.  When one person has a problem the whole family has to work together, not take sides. 

                     Sincerely, cookiekmh  

 
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