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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 6:45 am PDT

Roe v. Wade--you've got to be kidding?!

 I think if you are male and don't want to have children, you DO have a choice...protection, abstinence, or just go get fixed...there are choices!! It's a bit more simplified as comparison to the women's side of things..
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:45 am PDT

single w/my 12yrold son

yes. men do have a choice, to use a condom or not. when i got pregnant 12yrs ago i used  birth control. i feel i did my 50% part of the responsibility, now here is where  the mens part comes in, you need to take the other 50% part. a women or man is never guaranteed not to have a baby w/ unprotective sex. to the man on the show, this is a lesson learned and hope you can live the rest of your life not regretting it for the sake of your daughter, suck it up and be happy, you only have one life to live and its not the end of your life
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:45 am PDT

Men, Women, and Children

I find this whole issue aggravating.  I can't believe that this issue has come up for discussion.  I am watching Dr. Phil at the moment and I want to comment on the man who doesn't want to take responsibility for his new baby girl.  He feels that he has doesn't have the same rights as his baby's mother and that he should have those rights.    

I agree with Dr. Phil when he commented on that man and woman making a conscious decision to have sex.  That always comes with a risk for consequences.  There is always a chance no matter what (besides abstinence) that a woman can become pregnant with sex.  When any two people have sex they must keep this in mind.  I've been with my husband for 9 years and we have been having sex for about 8 of those years and never once did I get pregnant until we TRIED for our first baby.  That was because we used condoms and I was on the pill.  But, even still we knew that it could happen and were prepared every month just in case pregnancy did occur anyway.  It would have been a very, very slim chance, but nonethless, a chance anyway.  If that man didn't want to have a baby, he should have taken the reigns and put on a condom despite the fact that his partner was on birth control.    

My other opinion is over equal rights for men and women.  That man complained that the mother of his baby had more rights over whether they would have a child than he did.  They both had the choice when they had sex and yes, she does have more rights as far as whether or not to get an abortion or put the baby up for adoption.  I agree with the man on this aspect.  But, what I do want to say is that he is a man and she is a woman.  We are different.  No matter what anyone says or does, men and women are different.  Not everything can be equal.  A man will never be pregnant or give birth.  A woman will never have testicular cancer.  Our society is so caught up in making everything equal that we forget that maybe somethings can never be equal.  As a man, this father just doesn't have the same rights past having sex.  That's just the way it is. Men and women, in general, should realize that not everything can be the same for both sexes.  Men have the right to wear a condom and have sex and the privilege to choose so.  Women also have the right to wear a condom and have sex and the privilege to choose so but also the responsibility of being pregnant.  Do men have this responsibility?  NO.  A man cannot choose for a woman to have an abortion or give her baby a way.  But technically if they don't want a baby, they have have the right to wear a condom during sex to prevent the pregnancy in the first place.  

Take care of your daughter and stop being so selfish!!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:45 am PDT

MWF w/ unpopular opinion

     I have a feeling my opinion will be an unpopular one - but i feel Matt has a point.  Women have faught long and hard to win the right to have options when pregnancy occurs.  But when you think about it men do not have the same options.  And I do believe that is unfair.  To say - well you had the option of wearing a condom - there are two major problems w/ that theory - so he did wear a condom and it broke - still stuck w/ whatever decision the female makes - and to look at it fairly - if they had agreed they BOTH did not want the child - she could have had an abortion - as a man how do you abort a child?
    Don't get me wrong I am by no means a fan of abortion - but if you are going to give that right to women - to abort an unwanted child - why don't men have the right to say they want no obligation to a child?  Something there does seem off to me.  The same goes in the OTHER direction too - men have less rights if they decide they DO want the child - no where on a abortion form is there a spot for the father to sign consent to abort the child. His feelings don't even come into play.
    Provided he is telling the truth - and she did swear up and down that she couldn't get pregnant - I think he should win this case.  She knew he didn't want a child - her decision to keep the baby after finding herself miraculously pregnant should not obligate him when he made his feelings clear. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:46 am PDT

Unwanted fatherhood

Men and women both equally have rights and responsibilities when it comes to fatherhood/motherhood and protecting themselves from it.  When you play with fire (unprotected sex) you have to expect to get burned at some point.  Relying on the other party to keep you safe is just plain dumb.  If you don't want to become a father/mother use protection - lots of it or better yet just abstain.  What is getting lost here is that there is a precious little girl and she needs alot of love and alot of support.  Matt is being just plain stupid.  The joy that this precious child could bring to his life is priceless and he is throwing it away because he is ready to be a father.  Then he had a moral and legal responsibility to ALWAYS use protection.  Just saying the words to a woman he wants to have sex with and expecting her to cover his butt so to say is very irresponsible.  Cough up the $500.00 each month and then go to the drugstore and buy yourself a lot of condoms.  You were stupid.
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

About baby wars

  Dr. Phil,  The young man from Michigan who says he has no choice whether or not he is a father is full of crap.  The moment he had sex, whether it be protected or not, he made a choice.  Accidents happen and if he is not ready to take responibility for his actions then maybe he shouldn't be doing what he is doing.  To many people in this world don't think they have to be responsible for their actions.  If you think you are old enough to have sex then you should be old enough to take responsibilty for whatever happens.  I understand that once the woman is pregent that he has little to no say but it is her body and she is the one who has to deal with everything,emotionally.  He can just walk away.  But because it is not his body and all the stuff that happens when you are pregant does not happen to him why should he get to walk away with no responsibilty.   It's kind of like a trade off.   But what it boils down to is if you cannot handle the consenquences of your actions then do not do it.    
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Wow, Jayriddle, you sure did open up a can of worms when you said that women are done with their physical burden after nine months. You really have no idea. Just for starters, there's all the post-partum recovery. That includes healing of the uterus, any tears or incisions, hemorrhoids, wearing sanitary pads for as much as six weeks and in some cases longer. There's breastfeeding and if there's anything that can make even the most loving earth-mother feel functional, breastfeeding will do it. Big old wet splotches developing on the front of your shirt/dress just because you hear a baby cry in the next aisle of the grocery store or even on a radio or television. Changes to hair and skin that take years to go away, if ever. Then there's that sleep deprivation thing. Now that's a surefire way to put your body on the line. There's all those nightly feedings, staying up late to get laundry done at night, getting back to work even though you're tired and/or conflicted. There's carrying around the baby, there's post-partum development of tenosynovitis, and then there's the half-size changes in shoe size. Physically, it is a whole other experience to go from a 25 inch waistline to 62 and then work to get back down. Baking cookies late at night because "I promised that you would, Mom" or cooking some ethnic meal because "we're studying Spain and I forget to tell you that I signed up to bring paella."  

  

OMG, I could go on and on forever but I have to stop because I am already smiling with nostalgia. Jewish men thank God everyday for not making them women. Why? Because it is just so much to handle. And why I am I smiling? Because the great magic for so many women is that there is such an abundance of love and joy throughout all these physical burdens. The emotions and attachments to one's child are incomparable. That is true for many women and men. It may be different in form and manifestation but the emotions run just as deep and just as strong for most moms and dads. 

  

But please, don't lecture to women about the physical burdens of having children.  

But you (the women) had the right to say i want  this child. and if you didn't want this child you could have an abortion. Why should the man not have the right to have that choice.
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

I agree with you whole heartedly

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My guess is that my opinion will not be popular.  See...  I'm glad to FINALLY see the male come out with the opposing argument on parental responsibilities.   I don't think women should have those "choices" either!  It is HUGE to point out that you made your "choice" when you engaged in a sexual relationship outside of marriage.  Consequences are welcomed when embraced in the ultimate moral setting given to us by our Creator.  When, as rebellious children, we go outside that moral box...  then the selfish side kicks in... they want their rights!  It is unfortunate those "rights" are taken out on the vulnerable unborn child!  I love the bumper sticker that reads "Your Mom Chose Life"!  Start living your life with a moral compass and stop putting sex as the compass needle and your rights will be plentifully blessed!  Have some self-control instead of birth control!

These were two adults in a commited relationship if she told Matt, that she couldn't get pregnant and/or was on the pill then he had no reason not to believe her.  Why should he have worn a condom she told him in good fatih that it essentially wasn't necessary.   

It is her fault her child doesn't have a father Matt told her in no uncertain terms that he DID NOT WANT CHILDREN!!  Matt is not the bad guy here, children are not for everyone. 

  

  

P.S. I am the married mother of two little girls 

 

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April 21, 2006, 6:48 am PDT

Are you kidding me??

    

   

     How long have we all gone with most men just taking responsibility for just becoming a father? Years and Years..... I cant believe that just because a young guy that wants to "feel good" at that time and knows that there is still that chance it might have been a small chance but its still there  and still  goes without protection doesn't want to take care of the child that he "donated" sperm to, because he's not ready to be a father is Bullsh*t.  Thats just another way of being a deadbeat dad and he is trying to make it a legal thing. Its stupid i mean all that money that he is paying out for the lawyers and all that should be going to the baby that he helped create. You can never know if you can or cant have kids unless you don't have the equipment to have kids, there are miracles everyday and instead of thinking that its a burden on you  he should think of it as a miracle and I'm sure thats what the mom was thinking when she conceived.  

       Anyone that has gone to school and taken health class  knows that if you take the chance of laying down with anyone with or without proctection there is still that chance of having a child. The only fool-proof way of not having a baby is not having sex at all!!!!  Unreal, the lengths that guys will go to not pay for having a child, and it always seems like its for selfish reasons too they never think of the baby involved.  Its sad really  

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:49 am PDT

Men have choices

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Why do women get all of the chocies? Yes we ALL know what causes pregnacy and we all know how to prevent it. But WHY IN THE WORLD DO WOMEN GET ALL THE CHOCIES? Yeah, I know... It's your body. Well it's his life also. And no it's not the baby's fault, it's the man and woman's fault. Yet the woman has a choice to have or not have the baby. (Either way the child will be effected. By not having a father or having one who dosen't want him/her.) What if we start thinking about the tables being turned? What if the man wants the baby but the woman wants to have an abortion? What then? If women have choices, men should have choices. We as women want to be equals. We have faught for so long, and are still fighting, for our rights to be considered equals. Yet, we want to have the rules one way when it's in our favor and the other way when it's not??!! We can't have it both ways. We either consider the child a child and treat this child as if it were out of the womb OR we decide it's a choice and it's not a child until post-womb. We can't have both. We can't be selfish just because it's our bodies, just because we're the womb. Either it's a choice or it's not! After that is decided, then if it's a choice the man should have his choice, if it's not a choice and it's a child, then a father he should be able to refuse or use his parential rights! Brandy W, KS
Men have more choices than they realize.  Put on a condom, don't have sex.  There are two.  If a man has sex without a condom regardless of whether his partner says she is on birth control or can't have children, he is responsible for what happens after that.  If he can't take the heat, stay out of hte bedroom.    What saddens me greatly is that someday Dr. Phil's guest will want to take part in his daughters life and she will see what a jerk he was and he will lose out on a lot more than the $500 a month he's losing now.  And I don't think $500 is even enough if you figure in medical expenses, food, clothing, shelter, diapers, wipes, crib, carseat.....
 
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