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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 6:58 am PDT

What No Responsiblity... Again????

Again... a man is showing why we, as women, need Rowe vs Wade in the first place.  Men can be very controlling, manipulative, and even violent about sex.... and sometimes resulting in babies.  And women pay the price in every aspect of their life, for the rest of their life.  If she chooses to abort, she lives with that sickening feeling that she killed her baby... no matter how many times she tries to forgive herself.  If she puts the baby up for adoption... she lives with the fact that she has a child somewhere that she abandoned... albeit usually for very good reasons.  Or keep the baby... childbirth is very painful, pregnancy is not a vacation, a lot of businesses look down on responsible single mom's and aren't their first choice on a job.  And most mom's continue to be a mom (financially and emotionally) forever.  No matter what, all decisions affect your life .... THESE ARE NOT EASY DECISIONS FOR US TO MAKE!!! 

  

BUT.... men can walk away when tired of it. 

  

Look around you.  Most women are raising their children alone.  A few men (thank you to all of you) are responsible even after a divorce or separation, even to the point of fighting for custody.  I applaude these men.   There are more deadbeat dad's than ever.  More rape's than ever.  More drugging young women for sex than ever. 

  

NOW YOU WANT TO OPEN A DOOR TO TAKE AWAY OUR RIGHTS TO CHOOSE TO KEEP OUR CHILD???  This makes it too easy for any man to walk away and leave ALL responsibility on the woman.  Isn't there already enough of that going

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:58 am PDT

Get real!

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the woman is not getting child support her child is and like it or not he is a father and should provide for her.  If a man does not want to be a father he should never ever  leave that choice to the woman.  Things happen, many woman we all know or have heard of  have gone for years without getting pregnaunt and been told that they will not . But low and behold  a miricle. And  the child and the mother should not be punished just because he is to cheap and selfish to  pay up for his lack of good sense.  After all  no one drives around  looking for an accident  but if it does  happen they want to be repaid for the  damage that is done. And he needs to grow up  and grow a pair and maybe  stop being such a slut to be out there giveing away his life juices  if he does not want to be a father.

Get real! That woman that is not getting child support and claiming to be an honest person is lying to herself. The young that is the father of her child is totally right in his actions. Whether she admits it or not, she knew what she wanted right from the start. And that was to force Matt into a binding permanent relationship with her by using that child as a weapon. Too often young women and girls use that ruse to entrap the object of their affections, which, co-incidentally, always end in disaster. As for Matt being cheap, I don't think so. He clearly stated to the woman he did not want a child at this point and time in his life. And that is his right no matter what. The courts are wrong in supporting the conniving and manipulating women that use the system to get what they want. No matter what you think, that woman knew exactly what she was doing and she also knew the law was on her side. I bet she also supports the equal rights for women law too. Matt has rights also. And one of them is he should not be made to assume a responsibility that he did not want and made it known he did not want before hand. And you, my dear, need to back up and take another look at real life. Maybe you are one of those women that will try to trick a man into fatherhood before he's ready and bring a child into this world without regard to its future just for your own selfishness perhaps? 

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:59 am PDT

Respect for Life

I'm not religious.  I believe a woman should have an abortion under certain circumstances, but none of those circumstances include convenience.  I have a degree in Molecular Biology, so that helps me to understand life in a more scientific way than your average American.  The heartbeat of a baby can be detected by ultrasound at 5 or 6 weeks.  That's only a week or two after you miss you period.  Anyone who has experienced an ultrasound at 10 weeks of pregnancy or further knows that the baby already has a personality (i.e., sucking thumb).  Because of these things, many women opt not to get abortions.  Convenience takes a back seat to new life. 

Adoption is a good choice; however, if you're not sure of your choice when it's made (and many women/girls are not sure of their choice, especially when made in a pressured situation) it can cause lifelong regret and struggle. 

It disturbs me quite a bit that many people on this message board equate responsibility to money.  To most single moms, child support helps to pay for child care.  $500 in my city would pay for less than 1/2 a month of newborn child care.  The kid that was on the show that doesn't want to pay child support has written off his child and all the true responsibilities that go with raising a child.  It saddens me that a lot of men can't see that quality time is what makes a real difference.  $6000 a year is nothing compared to time. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:59 am PDT

no father

He is already showing the mother and  child he does not want them.  He stated from the get go he didn't want to be a father in any since of the term.  She decided to have the baby and be a single parent.  He should not be financially responsible for her decision.  This is no way the same for a dead beat dad.  They are two different subjects.  She knew she was going to be totally solo on this job of motherhood, then she should be totally financially solo also.  If he was seeing the child or was anyway having contact with child then he should pay support.  If she is the one pushing the issue she needs to back off.  I can see why she kept the child.  If you were told you couldn't get pregnant, was on a form of birth control and still got pregnant I would see it as being a miracle but that still doesn't make him father.  He was just a donor like any man from a sperm bank.  She just got to know her donor.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:00 am PDT

Or on second thought....

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Wow Matt, how fortunate for you that you were able to find someone to represent you that had the same distorted way of thinking as you do.  

   

Whether or not you like the fact you are a father...WHICH YOU ARE...I'm sure you enjoyed all the pleasures leading up to the conception.  Why is it that sex is okay as long as it doesn't come with any sort of responsibilities?  You were supposedly dooped...BOO HOO...shut your pity party down and start getting down to business.  Be the father that this little girl needs and deserves.    

   

I get so tired of the man's mentality that their responsibility and accountability ends at conception.  Your sperm...Your responsibility, simple math.  Worried about your financial future?  Well, let's see...how much would that 1 little condom have cost?  You wouldn't have had to worry about college expenses, diapers, etc.  just one little condom.    

   

Be a man...step up to the plate and be a father.  Anyone can be a sperm donor...it takes alot more than that to be a parent.    

   

I hope the judge that hears your case (if there is one that will) sees this for what it really is...another deadbeat dad who wants to walk out on their responsibility and sticks it to you BIG TIME!!!!  I think you're getting off kind of easy at $500.00/mth.  Heck, that's not even child care.  

   

I hope from now on you learn that if you can't keep your pants on you will splurge for that condom.  

   

   

Stay out of her life...send the money and let the mom find another man to be this little girl's dad. Someone who will be there for her no matter what and never deny that she is his daughter.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:00 am PDT

That is exactly my point

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to say that people should not have sex if they dont want children is unreasonable. that is never going to happen. however, if you dont want children, then perhaps try using one of the many forms of birth control we now have very accessable to us everyday.  if this young man was so concerned, then he wouldve protected himself.  NEVER take anyone elses word on something so life changing. protect yourself.   i feel sorry for the child involved when she grows up knowing her father totally closed the door on her. i know that feeling, unfortunatly. 
no form of birth control is fool proof - accidents happen.  Why do females get the only option as to how to handle the mistake - no, no one should take anyones word for something so important - i agree but women make the same mistake at times too - they just have the option of aborting an unwanted baby if it happens to them.
And as far as the baby being abandoned by her father - Her mother shares big time in that responsibility - and if she's as honest as she claims she will admit that to her daughter when the time comes.  She knew he didn't want to have anything to do w/ the baby and she made her choices.  I'm not saying he shouldn't be involved - I just don't see how it's fair that women have the option of not being involved and guys don't. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:02 am PDT

Unwilling fatherhood

I understand the emotions involved in the case of baby Elizabeth because she deserves the best of everything. Every child does. However, men do not have a choice whether or not to support children they didn't consent to having. What if the situation were reversed? What if a woman became pregnant and decided to have an abortion and the baby's father wanted to keep that baby and raise it? Shouldn't that woman have to capitulate as well? Men are not equally protected. That isn't fair.   

The case that appeared on the show was especially unfair because the man believed no pregnancy would occur. Now he is being forced to support a child he didn't intend to have and thought he had done his part to prevent. (Making sure pregnancy wasn't possible...believing the woman).  The emotions involved in seeing a beautiful baby cloud this case, but the fact remains that this man was forced into something he clearly didn't want and didn't have any reason to expect.  

(By the way, I am a woman)  

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:02 am PDT

baby war

this guy HAD a choice, he made it by having sex. he could have walked away!!!! the mother had a choice too, she is taking care of the out come of her choice, not crying about it. if he wanted to not be a parent he should have thought with the "correct" head.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:04 am PDT

NOW, that there is choice....

Yes, it should extend to both sides....this is a legal question , not a moral one.  Do we have equal protection or not .........or do we have a double standard?

This is a new world...we have already opened "Pandora's Box" by allowing legalized sperm donation...so  men can get legally off the hook as a parent  .  It boils down to the  intent of the parties now...So what differnece does it make if a child is concieved coiltily or with a turkey baster...?  The door has been opened to allow single parenthood by choice.

If a woman makes the moral chioce to have unprotected sex with a man who is not in a commited relationship  with her....and then she chooses unilaterally to be a mother by her choice...then she alone should be responsible for her choice.     After all , all she did was choose a sperm donor...instead of an anonymous one at a sperm bank .   This way was cheaper and the up side is she knew the donor....SO, this way  the child doesn't have to worry about a future incestual relationship, because he knows the gene linkage.    I  think if they made an oral agreement to have sex and she knew he did not want to be a father....the intent of the parties was clear...and she should not be allowed to breach the contract.  
I think if laws were passed or rulings are made to reflect the legal standard that only if  "you are married" is the man liable for the children the wife chooses to have.........there would be a lot less unwanted pregnacies and abortions....Because women just might start respecting themselves and demanding a guy marry her first ...instead of giving the milk away for free.  Or else they would have  SMART SEX  ! ....not blackmail sex.       Grow up women..you want equal propection...you can't have it only to your advantage!      
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:05 am PDT

You need your child in your life.

 The most difficult thing for me when I was newly married  was to share my self centered life.  I could have chosen to leave the marriage which I tried several times to do but could not carry it through.  30 years later I realized why. 
My wife is a gift from God.  My children one of which is disabled, are also a gift from God.  Taking ownership and working through these two issues, my self centeredness has left and now I feel  more whole and complete.  I did not feel that way before I worked through these things.
You were given this child for a very obvious reason.  To help you rid your self of your self and learn to give and think more of others. 
It is by far the most rewarding thing I have done in my life.  Amazingly  enough I did not realize it at the time but I do now and that is what is important.   The very thing you need in life is what you are fighting my friend.  You will never regret  deciding to take ownership of your childs life.
Mark
 
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