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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

No baby =No sex with a female partner

I get extremely upset with young adults these days who feel that marriage and babies are not responsibilities.  If Matt had no intentions of making a child then he sholdn't be having sex (at least not with a female partner).  He is just as responsible as she is, and he has a responsibility to the child.  Saying that  as a male he has no rights in the judicial system is crazy.  He wouldn't need the judicial system if he had taken full responsibility in the first place.  It's like hitting a ball toward a building and saying I had no intentions of of it going through the window, and then blaming the "system" for your lack of aim.  Grow up young man and quit whining about the outcome of your decisions! 
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

What a Crock!

Matt is saying he did not have a choice, that his rights are not being recognized.  What a crock!  It takes two to make a baby.  No one forced him to have sex.  I was taught in middle school that the only way to be 100% effective in not getting pregnant is abstinance.  If you choose to have sex you have to be prepared to face the consequences of your actions.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

Response to Matt

I am appalled by the way Matt is responding to his ex-girlfriend getting pregnant and bringing their child into the world.  I have some first hand experience in this subject, only the roles were reversed.  I was 18 years old when I met my boyfriend who is now my husband.  My husband was told by his doctors that he was sterile due to multiple treatments he had for a rare kidney disorder which ended up in him receiving a kidney transplant.  He stored sperm in cryo storage for the future when he chose to have children.  Fortunately we never had to use it.  We made the choice to become sexually active together and after 8 months of dating, I became pregnant at the age of 19.  It was certainly unexpected for the both of us.  But instead of him or me deciding to disregard this child, as we certainly had the choice to do, we decided this was GOD's way of letting us both know that we were lucky enough to have found each other and make a beautify baby boy together.  My husband always has said that I must be his soul mate if I could give him the child that he was told he would never have.  I am now 25 years old and my beautiful boy is 6, happy and healthy.  I guess my point is that if Matt's girlfriend was told that she could never have children, that is not even close to being 100% certain.  Doctors can't predict what GOD has in his plans.  If Matt didn't want a child, HE should have taken the responsibility when they engaged in sexual activity and wore protection EVERY time.  He certainly had the choice then.  Why does he think now that he never had a choice.  I hope Matt will reconsider his stand on the subject because there is a beautiful baby involved.  Time to grow up Matt.....
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

Baby looks just like dad....

The baby looks like her father, let's hope she doesn't grow up to be as mean, cold hearted  and irresponsible.   

The baby had less of a choice than the father if you want to talk about choices. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

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I think it is so sad that so many people want a way out every time we do something and have unexpected results.  He chose to have unprotected sex with this girl, that was his decision.  Now he needs to face the consequences, which is the most wonderful thing that could have happened.  What if she had given him AIDS or herpes or some other disease that she did not know that she had.....  When you have sex there is nothing that protects 100% and if you are not ready to face the music, then you should not be singing the song!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

Come on Men! Do the deed and plant the seed? Whatcha expect?

Sex was created for reproduction.  Yes, it is a enjoyment, too!  However, these men should make sure they have an honest spouse.  Maybe he should have looked more into her problem.  

   

We will give her the benefit of the doubt, maybe she really did have some kind of problem with conception...  but a miracle happened.  God has his hand in all conceptions.  He was a part of that too!  If Mr. Father doesn't want to be Dad then give up your rights.  That mother has every right to keep that child.  Maybe he should learn next time to take better precausions or get fixed!  

   

Get over yourself Mr. Father and give up your rights.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

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i have 4 wonderful kids that were not planned and i don't regret one of them... they are all i have in this world we live in and i would not trade one of them for anything at all ..... babies and kids are the greatest thing in this world
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

Matt, the biological father, should relinquish rights!

I think that Matt should relinquish his paternal rights to the baby girl.  It would be the best thing for her.  I am a Family Studies major and what we have learned about domestic violence is interesting in this regard.  A young father who is forced to be a father will more than likely resent those responsibilities and could possibly harm that child in the future. Many times if a parent does not bond with the infant at birth and the early months, it is possible that proper care may not be viewed as important or necessary.  Many young fathers deal with resentment, frustration, and other negative emotional traits when forced into these situations.  Truly, this is not ideal for the child. Considering current statistics on abuse and neglect, the child would be more stable with   a happy mom who is without an angry father.   Matt should relinquish those rights immediately and the mom should consider the possibility of moving on in her life.  She will find a much better dad for her little girl, who will love both her and the mom.  I had a child when I was 18 years old and battled with the biological father for 7 years before we could ever establish paternity and child support payments due to the sluggish court system.  My son knew his father, but I married another man who has been a wonderful husband and father. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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MATT...YOU GOT OFF LUCKY AT $500 A MONTH.  I hope your lawyer wins you $700 a month after your day in court.  I'll be watching and laughing! 

Lucky?  laughable..... the response is more than silly it is laughable.  why does the dollar make it right?  I will pray for you  and Matt.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:47 pm PDT

Children having sex

Ok, this is MY take on this as a person who has been involved in the past with men who didn't want children and now married and pregnant with a child who is wanted... 

  

The idiot would have a better chance in his argument IF HE HAD DONE WHAT HE COULD DO TO PREVENT A PREGNANCY.  He *chose* to give up his control of the situation by not wearing a condom.  PERIOD!  Based on legal principals, the fact that he admits "well, I was the one who didn't want a kid, but didn't object enough by making sure that *I* was doing whatever I could to prevent it." will cause his lawyer to be wrong.  IF he had worn a condom and she became pregnant either through tampering or birth control failure then he would have a leg to stand on.  If you're THAT opposed to becoming a parent right now, you take ALL precautions that you can to make sure it doesn't happen.  There's also the possibility of the "reversable vasectomy" where silicone plugs are inserted into the vas deferens to prevent sperm from leaving - which is ****100% reversable**** and is 99.999999999% effective in preventing conception.  Just as effective in other words as permanent sterilization.  He HAD options that he CHOSE not to take in order to prevent conception. 

  

1) he was still "shooting live rounds" 

2) he didn't do what HE could to prevent the conception. 

3) he had sex which is the #1 cause of pregnancy. 

  

IF he had taken steps himself to prevent it, I would have a lot more sympathy for his position.  I agree with Dr Phil that this lawsuit he's bringing will open the FLOODGATES to deadbeat Dads to claim "well I never actually consented to the pregnancy so I don't think I should have to pay child support" if some judge actually buys his absurd argument.  It also opens the floodgates to essentially eliminate the choice that women have regarding their own bodies.  IF this case goes his way it opens precendence for a lot of things.  Just play this forward - men now have the right to deny responsibility if this case is won.  How big of a step is it for some guy to say "I don't want a child with my DNA out there so I refuse to *allow* her to carry to term - even if she gives the child up for adoption"?  This means that if this case is won there could be precedence for a man to take a woman to court to FORCE ... YES!!!!!!!! FORCE!!!!!!!!!! a woman to have SURGERY to terminate the pregnancy.  Think about the possible legal ramifications.  And before you start saying that "oh, that can't happen"  ... this kid had sex without protecting himself ... he gave up his control of the reproductive process and now wants to reverse that simply because he doesn't like the outcome.  He says "I wasn't being a responsible person who truly did everything I could to prevent this from happening" and now wants to abrogate his reposibility FOR HIS ACTIONS. 

 
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