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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 7:17 am PDT

Men should have the right not be a father

A woman who tells a man she can't get pregrant, is taking the birth control, and he has told her he does not want a child, should not force a man to pay for her mistake...she does have all the control over her body.  My son's wife did this. They have been married for 10 years... Our daughter-inlaw gave us two beautiful grandchildren.  We loved her dearly. Our son, her husband,  in the United States Nay, was at sea off the coast of Iraq. She takes up with a 24 year single man, she is 32. When he returns home, she continues to see this man.  Our son found out, they are getting a divorce.   

  

What will happen to these children, only time will tell. 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:17 am PDT

Just use PROTECTION!

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Uh, I think you're the one who needs to "hold on there".  What Mom do you know who is completely done with her "burden" -- physical or otherwise -- after simply giving birth?  Their work is just beginning!  Every day that child needs -- food, love, interaction, bathing, doctor visits, schooling, sports activities, reading, care when ill, religious education, etc., etc., etc.  (Many of these needs require a great deal of physical activity on Mom's part to accomplish!)  And just because her child turns 18, she won't EVER stop being his or her "Mom"! 

  

So as to "who bears greater consequenses?  The one who steps up to the plate and takes the entire responsibility of the life these two people created.  If Matt Dubay was that adament about not wanting "the consequences" he should have taken his "responsibility" seriously and used his own birth control (condom) rather than expecting someone else to do it for him.  This act is his reproductive right -- but with rights come responsibility and he must now accept his and support his beautiful daughter! 

You could argue back and forth forever about this subject,when the bottom  line is if nobody wanted a baby, then somebody should have used PROTECTION! Have you never heard the phrase "The only thing that is 100% sure is not doing it ! " Even if you have surgery, it is not 100% . When that guy on the show decided NOT to use the extra protection,he made his choice to take that chance and he lost.You can't just say "I don't want to be a father and jump into bed with a woman and have your fun and leave all the responsibilty to her.You better believe,if I didn't want a baby, I would use my own protection to make sure it didn't happen. Now that it has,I don't see how he can look at that beautiful baby and not love her. She is a part of him.He has got to be a cold hearted man!! She didn't want a baby either,but look at her,she looks very happy with THEIR baby.I think it's sad that the baby has to grow up knowing that her father (I didn't say daddy,because it takes a special man to be called daddy) didn't want her.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:18 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I heard about this case awhile back when it first hit the headlines, and my initial reaction was:  this guy is either totally naive or a total jerk.  I mean, come ON.  Most of us have heard stories about men who wind up as fathers after their girlfriends tell them, "Oh I can't get pregnant, I'm on the pill."  It's gotta be the oldest trick in the book.  Surely it must've occurred to Matt that this could possibly happen to him too?  I also learned way back in 6th grade sex ed class that abstainance is the ONLY 100% guarantee against pregnancy.  Perhaps Matt wasn't paying attention back then?  

  

I appreciate Dr. Phil devoting time to this issue on his show and asking this guy (and his lawyer) some hard questions.  I don't know what kind of loophole in the law they're going to use to back their case, but when I was taking tort law classes as part of my degree, we learned that mitigation of damages is a huge part of the plaintiff's case.  He's got to prove that he did everything possible in his power to minimize his risk.  If Matt had been wearing a condom, then yeah, maybe he'd have an argument...but he wasn't.  He didn't take any action, he just sat back and said, "Oh, well, I told her I didn't want to be a father."  As if he had no control over it.  

  

As far as women having all the post-conception choices...hmmm, I wonder, if Matt had been the one who was pregnant and carrying that child, would he have made the choice to terminate?  Or give the child up for adoption?  Dr. Phil was so right when he said that we don't know what we're going to do in a situation until we're faced with it. Sometimes things look unfair from the outside, but you just try walking a mile in their shoes...  

  

I think the biggest tragedy of all is this child who will grow up knowing that her father never cared for her.  She didn't ask to be born, she didn't sign up for this, yet she is paying the price.  I hope and pray that someone will come into her life who is a true father figure.  Matt is right about one thing, he's not her father.  He's just a sperm donor.  

  

Finally, I love how Matt's lawyer commented that Matt is a great guy and will be a great father one day.  Yeah, that's assuming there are any women left out there who would want to have a sexual relationship with a guy who is now *infamous* for shirking responsibility and rejecting his own child.  Maybe there is justice in the world after all.  :-)   

you have this almost to a T... unfortunately thats  the term that is used alot today "sperm donor" it is so right!!!!. unfortunately men dont want to take responsibility and be a part of thier childrens lives...  

and yes good point at the end!!!!!  

Karma is a bitch. but im glad its there 

or another word 

Poetic Justice 

 

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April 21, 2006, 7:20 am PDT

Why...???

Why is it that when a man and woman find themselves in th situation of pregnancy, the woman can either have the child, have an abortion, or decide if the child goes up for an adoption? Why is it that the woman has the ultimate choice no matter what the man wants. Women want equal rights, so why not men? Plus the woman assured him that she was not physically able to have a child and she used birth control. He said the entire time he didn't want a child. Where does this become his fault for not using a condom, which I might add is not 100%. Someone told a lie somewhere along the lines. So why is it that someone who knows they have aids can not tell their partner, give them the disease, and then be charged with murder, and she can do basically the same concept, yet it's his fault?
 

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April 21, 2006, 7:20 am PDT

Want their cake and eat it, too

That's just like a man to say that he wants to have the priveledge to enjoy unprotected sex, but he doesn't want to accept any responsibility for any children that might come as a result of that action.  If he's not ready to have children, then maybe he's not ready to have sex.  How about he justs waits until he is grown up and mature enough to get married, committ to a relationship and family and THEN have sex.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:20 am PDT

Someone's slightly sensitive

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This is a perfect example of man hating sexism. Lets consider adding one key point to women's slogan regards abortion: 

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! " 

In an age where women have MANY means to void legal parenthood, POST coitally, it is nothing more and nothing less than man hating sexism to DENY men any such legal rights. 

Lets remember that abortion ISN'T a natural thing, that Legal Abandon Laws ( In 40+ states now ) 

AREN'T natural things, and so on.  

Either men should get legal post coital choices or women should have such post-coital choices 

as men get right now: NONE. 

Anything else is pure misandrous sexism. Ptui. 

Oh, one more point to the sow who posted this sexism: Men do the lion's share of the work that keeps society running. When women are ready to do *as much and as well*, then maybe equal 

rights at work might be tolerated. Hows you like that ? 

I have to tell you, I became highly motivated to register for the Dr. Phil message board after I read your hilarious post. I haven't heard a person (besides maybe in jest) use the expression "man hating sexism" since the last time I watched a political report or movie from or depicting the 1970's. Maybe those were your glory days...  

   

I have to say that there could be and probably will be in the future, a VERY limited number of cases, where a woman commits reproductive fraud (this requires premeditation, meaning a woman would have to have a plan - "I'm going to entice this man, who is under the impression that I cannot become pregnat, to have sex with me, unprotected, and I am aware that there is a good possibility, that I will become pregnant.") In those cases, as difficult as they would be to prove, I agree that it is then a woman's responsibility to be the sole financial (and otherwise) provider for that child.  

   

The VAST majority of cases of unplanned pregnancy result because of miscommunication (or simply not communicating), or misuse of contraceptives. Does it seem just a little ridiculous to you to imagine a scenario: two people, in the heat of the moment, passionately looking at one another and the man says, "Seriously, I don't want a kid. Look me in the eye and tell me you won't get pregnant." Or better yet, maybe pull out a waiver and have the other party sign on the dotted line (which by the way would be your best legal protection).  

   

So, many of the people that have been putting up posts on this message board are exactly correct. If you don't want the concern of fatherhood in the back of your mind (which for the record, is a NATURAL consequence of the sex act), then refrain from having sex. Or if this is as unappealing to you as it is to me, then don't have sex unless you know that your partner is being totally honest with you.  

   

Although, unless you didn't mean much of what you said and were just writing it to get a rise out of people, my guess would be that you probably don't attract many worthwhile prospective mates. I found your post so humorous because you sound like Will Ferell in "Anchorman". "I'm not a BABY. I am a MAN. I am a man who invented the wheel and built the Eiffel Tower with metal and brawn." And he stands there in his hideous suit, his chest hair begging to be set free. And everyone laughs, because the caveman mentality went out a couple of decades ago.  

   

That said, as for your last comment, it doesn't require a thoughtful response, because it isn't a thoughtful, or even legitimate point. It's ignorant. But it did give me and my friends something to joke about all day. Thanks!  

   

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:21 am PDT

Better off without him

I  can not believe this guy.  I just hope that one day he regrets his choices and the child and mother won't have anything to do with him.  He seems like such a selfish self-centered jerk.  And this little girl looks just like him.  I think the mother should move on and make a life for herself and this beautiful little girl.  She will be much better off without him in their lives.  I'm sure she will meet a good guy who will make this little girl his on and love them both.  I wish her all the luck.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:22 am PDT

Not Wanting to be a dad

Though I think Matt brings up an interesting point. I think that he should grow up and take responsibility for his actions.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:23 am PDT

Don't wanna pay....don't play.....

I raised 2 kids by myself...both with different fathers....I made it, but it was hard....I believe that if men or women don't want to take the FULL responsibility of a child...then they should keep their pants on.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:24 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

If he had sex, regardless of protection used or not, he took the risk of pregnancy.  There is NOTHING to prevent pregnancy other than abstinence.   He should take some responsiblity in his sexual escapades.  He has lost his mind. 

 
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