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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:08 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I feel very strongly about this topic as I was in the same situation 18 years ago except that I was married to my child's father at the time.  After becoming pregnant after many attempts he changed his mind.  I held my ground and had the child and was punished by emotional and physical abuse.  Although family courts awarded the small sum of $50 a week the father did not comply.  I wanted the best for my child so with the generous support of family I worked all night at a fast food restaurant and went to college full time during the day.  It was a hard time for a while but soon I found a good paying job with great benefits.  The father disappeared and I did not persue the support owed through the courts because I felt that since he was such an abusive person and did not want to be an active part of the child's life the best thing to do was to let him go.  I have come to the conclusion all these years later that that is the best course of action.  When one parent doesn't want to be around the child will be better off if they go.  I also feel strongly that once the parent who wants no responsibility then they should not try to come back after the child has been raised to be a part of their life.   The child doesn't lose out the absent parent does.  My child is my life and I think she has benefited by having one parent who is dedicated than two with one who just isn't wanting to be involved.  I say no guts no glory!     

I agree with you 100%!!  I pray that you and your child will be blessed a thousand times over -- so that the abuse you suffered will no longer have a hold over you!!   

YOU GO, GIRL!! 

Take care and God Bless!! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:08 pm PDT

not so dad dad

How dare that man expect that woman to give up possibly the only chance she may ever have of having a baby.  Ok he didn't want to be a dad right now but get over it.  It happened and he should be happy with the outcome regardless of what he initially thought.  She was up front and honest and he just needs to deal with the outcome. There is nothing more precious than a child it is truly a gift.  Maybe he should look deeper as to why this happened to them.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:08 pm PDT

A woman who agrees with R. vs W. for men

I may be a minority in this I know, BUT I have, for a long time I have felt as though the child bearing issue was extremely one sided.  (and Yes, I have children of my own!)  

Women have ALL the rights when it comes to having children.      

Courts automatically presume that women are the better suited parent.      

If a woman gets pregnant and does not want a child, she has options (yes abortion or adoption).  Men have NO options.      

The BIG issue here is that she lied! - If a woman tells a man she cannot bear children then she alone should have the responsiblity of the child IF he does not want children.  She should have kept her mouth shut!    

If a man decides that he does not want children he should have that option.  Along with that option, he should also have to sign a legal document stating that he will never have contact with that child and if he should decide to (later in life) then he should have to pay back 100% of the assessed support for the child.    

If he chooses to step up and do what the law (now) states he should do, he should (perhaps) be able to claim that child as a tax deduction at the very least (which does not always happen).    

A woman can decide that she does not want "her" child to see its father- whether out of spite or concern.  A man must then go to court, if he chooses, to get that right.    

    

With ALL that said!  I do not EVER think this lawsuit will go anywhere.  It would set a precedence     

that would have men in court from now till dooms day!  I think their opinions would NOT be based on whether the issue is right or wrong, I think it will be solely based on the repercussions it would have on past, present and future cases.  

   

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:08 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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It is important that everyone know before intercourse happens if they want to be a parent.  Men who make it very clear they do not want to be fathers, to the point of a legal document if need be, should then not be required to pay child support if the woman decides to have the baby.  And YES, this should be filed before the first intercourse session.  With that same thought. if a man is so moved to take care of a child he may have father so that he files court procedings, then a woman should be required to have that baby, provided it will not harm her life, the man then would be expected to raise the child on his own with no help from her.   

  

Of course, the children will end up paying the price for their parents not being able to act like responsible adults and coming to a workable agreement before the birth.  However, it is time for men AND women to realise that if they choose to have a baby they should plan on being the ONLY person responsible for raising that child.  Sex is for the mutual enjoyment of loving and responsible people.  Babies happen even when all the precautions are taken.  What is important is how humane you are in dealing with the other parent of the baby.   

wrong.  You are obviously a man.  Pregnancy BY DEFINITION is a condition that takes minerals out of a woman's body to create the baby.  Gestational diabetes can happen without warning.  So can Pre-eclampsia where the blood pressure of the woman goes through the roof and she is then in danger of proceeding to eclampsia which is a FATAL condition if not caught early and the fetus/baby delivered quickly.  Regardless of medical advances, pregnancy can still be a very dangerous condition to a seemingly healthy woman.  Women still DIE IN CHILDBIRTH from placental abruption, placentas which attach too deeply and pull the uterus inside out after birth, the uterus can refuse to "firm up" after delivery which leads to hemmorhage and other complications that CAN NOT BE PREDICTED.  What you're saying is if the man wants the baby and the woman doesn't you want a court to FORCE her to carry to term and risk her health and life?  Men are never placed in danger of health and/or life by the conception and carrying to term of a baby.  As a woman who IS currently pregnant the idea of the things that CAN go wrong scare the daylights out of me!  Pregnancy is not quite as dangerous as it used to be - but it can still unexpectedly cause a major hazard to women's health and lives and NO PERSON can predict when or if something will go wrong so NO PERSON can compel someone to continue a condition that CAN cause lasting damage and possibly death.  BTW - there are also consequences possible in a healthy pregnancy such as urinary incontinence which would then have to be surgically corrected. 

  

Medicine will be able to allow men to carry babies to term in the furture.  The technology is coming.  There is a case in England where a woman carried a baby OUTSIDE of her uterus for 8 months and delived via c-section.  When that happens, I fully expect "baby transplants" to become viable options for those men who want kinds when the woman doesn't.  Until that day - MEN have no right to dictate what happens to WOMEN'S bodies.  The idea of allowing this is morally, medically and ethically repugnant. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:09 pm PDT

baby wars

Why doesn't the "forced" father just sign his rights away? If he has no legal claim to the child then he shouldn't have to pay child support. If he is seeking visitation, then he should just shut up and foot the bill. I don't know what state they are from but I am from TX, and in TX you can sign your rights away or have your wages garnished.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:09 pm PDT

Disgusted

What an excuse!  I m so disgusted by this man and especially his attourney!  No matter what the he is the father of the baby.   Mistakes happen, and he should pay for it!  If he didnt want children he should have used proper procautions.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:09 pm PDT

About Matt

Matt's take on this can only be called excessive irresponsibility.  What if the question was not about becoming a parent, but HIV, herpes, or some other STD?  If you're going to pull you pants down, you have to assume responsibility for what happens next.  Only you are responsible for your actions!     

   

Don't blame the woman.  This situation is certainly akin to a "blame the rape victim" scenario and simply turns my stomach.  I'm sure she didn't step into the bedroom thinking "I want to be a young single mother."  Grow up Matt!   

   

Oh, and the lawyer is an idiot.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:09 pm PDT

Life is never fair!

I usually would never take the time to write a letter, however this subject deserves one!  I want to know why the baby does not have any rights.  No one asked her to be given a dead beat, selfish, money hungry father!  Matt absolutly had the choice the minuite he decided to have sex.  What,  is no one suppose to take responsability for their own actions?  To Matt I would say watch out!  I can only imagine the number of people that will be fighting your attempt to get out of child support and pass any law that will let all the other dead beat fathers get away with not taking care of their children.  If you knew you didn't want a child you should have spent the five dollars and worn a condom.  It would have saved you a lot of money in the end and I know that is what matters to you! 

  

What happened to you that you could be so selfish?  I am really sad for you that you have chosen this path.  Your baby will hopefully be ok, as long as you stay away from her.  As beautiful as her mother is she will hopefully marry someone nice and they will be lucky enough to be a father to your little girl.  She is a gift not something you throw away!  As for you,  If you don't want to take part in her life then you should never be allowed to have any other children.  If you get out of paying child support they should make you get snipped;  the rest of us don't want to pay for your bad decisions! 

  

Please reconsider what you are doing to this sweet baby girl!  I hope the mother will keep you away from her so she never knows you abandoned her~   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:09 pm PDT

Fathers should have rights

The topic concerning fathers having rights when it comes to being able to choose to be parents is two fold. One, I have concern that this legal action may give dead-beat dads a way to get out of paying to raise their children.  

  

On the other hand, fathers do not have rights, they are expected to deal with what ever the mother chooses. I hear people say things like, when the man gets pregnant and has the baby he can have rights, until then he don’t. What kind of thinking is this?  

  

If a man is married and wants another child, the wife gets pregnant, she has the right to go out while he is at work and remove a child from the family by having an abortion and never consult the father. Dads who want their children only to find that the decision has been made for them feel guilt and helpless. Dads should have rights too.  

  

By the way, in most cases the mother is their when she is getting pregnant also, not just the man. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:09 pm PDT

Baby Wars

   Hey lisa it is your body not your husbands,and if he wants more children then maybe the two of you should talk about adoption.
 
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