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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

baby wars

About the man who was made to pay child support after being tricked into it. I had a male friend in the same situation. She didn't want to lose him so she thought a baby would keep him from leaving her. I don't want a baby either, so I know exactly how he feels. If I were married, it would be like my husband secretly adopting a baby, my divorcing him because of the deception, and yet, getting stuck with child support payments. I'm embarrassed to be a woman when these women do such stupid things. She stated the facts in her life, SHE WAS WRONG and should be the ONLY ONE responsible. For me, it would be like going to jail for something I didn't do.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

Baby Wars

The Man is as much responsible for what happens between him and a woman as the woman herself.  Yes if she is told she cannot get pregnant and winds up pregnant that is not done on purpose no matter what the men think.  It takes 2 to make a baby MEN CAN SAY NO as well as women can and should.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

Men do have rights

I do believe that a man has every right in the decision on whether to have a baby or not.  If a woman gets pregnant and does not want the baby, the father should be able have a say in whether she aborts, or puts up for adoption.  For him to have no say in the matter is just WRONG!!  Especially if he wants to raise the baby himself.  

On the other hand, once a baby is born, whether he wanted it or not, he should be responsible to help care for the baby.  I know it sounds like I am contradicting myself, but to say a father has no responsibility after a baby is born is also WRONG.  This would open the door to a hell of alot more dead beat fathers than are already out there. 

 It will always be his word against hers.  We have a no way of knowing if Matt really did make her aware of the fact that he did not want children.  If he was that adament he should have worn a condom.  By the way, I am a woman.  June 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

Unbelievable

 You want to know why it's not "fair" that women have choices that men don't have when it comes to having babies? BECAUSE WOMEN ARE THE ONES THAT CARRY THEM!!! They should ABSOLUTELY have choices that men don't have in this situation for that very reason.  This guy doesn't have a CLUE about what it means to be a man.  I am so proud of his ex-girlfriend for having the baby, as difficult as that decision probably was especially when your boyfriend is running in the other direction.  No birth control is 100% effective, so no matter if he would have used a condom or not, he still has a responsibilty for what could happen.  I cannot believe that this is going to court- BE A MAN-
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

Birthcontrol

My mother had four children, each one while using some form of birth control - to include condoms.  My point is that everyone should know that no birth control, short of sterilization, is 100% effective.  In my view, participating in sex implies complicity and the young man doesn't have a leg to stand on no matter what he said!!  Secondly he sounds like he would make a terrible father and the baby is better off without him.  He should have financial responsibility.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

it's a baby not a dog

Matt makes me sick. I can't believe he is treating his baby this way. If Matt was not ready to be a father he SHOULD have waited until marriage to have sex. He played he should have to pay.  This poor child is the one that will suffer even if Matt continues to pay child support.  What a loser and low life. Does he know how many men would love to have the chance to have children but can't, he should feel privileged and proud.  

Stop being a loser Matt and face your responsibility. You PLAYED you PAY  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

giving up control

To take the woman to court because he did not take responsibility to protect himself is ludicrous.  When you relinguish your control to another person but "believing what she said", you have no one but yourself to blame if the consequences are not to your choosing.  This is a child, and although the father is acting "childish", the child still needs to be protected.  He may wage war now but when the child grows up he or the child will want to meet each other, etc.  To the men who feel they have no choice, I say they have a choice, wear a condom, do not place their life in another's hands and hope for the best.  To complain about the consequences is a cop out.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

Matt should have the same choice

I believe that Matt should have the same choice as the women does. If she had not used birth control and believed she could have become pregnant, she would have the choice not to be a mother either by abortion, adoption or abandoment. (In Georgia, a woman can take a baby to a hospital and hand it over to a healthcare worker and there are no questions asked.)   

   

They discussed the matter and he was told that    

  1. She could not get pregnant and
  2. She was on birth control.

If he had not been told these things, then he would have had the option to continue using a condom. The bottom line is that there is a double standard in this country when it comes to the choice to become a parent or not.  

   

I do not personally believe in abortion. I believe in personal responsibility, but many people do not believe as I do. I believe that if a woman knows that a man had the choice not to be a parent ( emotionally or financially) , there will be a lot less unplanned pregnancies. Too many children are being used as pawns to punish a man for not acting in the manner a woman wants him too. We all know the saying about a woman scorned.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

constitional right to avoid fatherhood

I am sure that men have a constitional right to avoid fatherhood, by way of either avoiding intercourse, or taking responsibility of some form of birth control, not ,by putting the responsibility on the other person, but by taking responsibility of their own actions!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:34 pm PDT

The choice was his, but he didn't use it

To watch Matt sit there as some sort of victim in all this is so annoying. The fact is, this is a no brainer. He had options a) to wear a condom, or b) not to have sex. If you are convinced within yourself that fatherhood at this time is not right for you that's fine. I have nothing but respect for a man who can honestly say that. But not to take any precautions to protect yourself is foolish. I think this guy would lose in a court of law simply because he did nothing to prevent this from happening. If he had and his efforts were unsuccessful (of course nothing besides abstinence and surgery is absolute) at least he might've had a leg to stand on. But he relied soley on the word of someone else and any person with a brain knows that people are not always honest and reliable, so the onus is on you yourself to ensure that every effort to protect yourself has been attempted. Since he did not, he is just as responsible to that child.  

  

  

 
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