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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Maybe we should remain "consistent", and remember that a child, is not a material object to "haggle with".  

If you decide to have sex with a partner...everything is at risk. Everything goes out the window. You are at risk emotionally, spiritually, physically. It is very naive and lazy to say that you "trust" that the other person is taking birth control, or can't have kids. It is the same idea where the person says, "Oh, no, I don't have aids..." and wouldn't you know, the partner finds out after having unprotected sex that they themself now have aids. Who is at fault there? 

When you CHOOSE to have sex with another human being, if something comes of that, good or bad, you no longer have choices. You have responsibility. And you must fulfill your responsibility, not just sweep it under the carpet. Men AND women. Women who abort are just as guilty...because a child is not a choice. A child is a human being. Children deserve to be created in love, and have love expressed to them.  

Just because "you are not ready for a child", well, then you certainly weren't ready for sex either. Men and women need to grow up and stop acting like 5 year olds because they didn't get their way.  

Be better than that. Set an example. When you set a good example, others will follow. That's consistent 

you got this perfect whoever is above me! and the man(or little boy in this case )DID have a choice, by having sex or not, by wearing protection or not, by gettin fixed or not..   

Losers that try to get out of responsibility  

these men only care for themselves... HELLo this is a human life were talking about...   

you made your choice, it may have happened as a mistake, like my pregnancy did... But my twin girls are the best thing that has ever happened to me, i dont love them because i have to! i love them with all my heart because they are a part of me, and bring so much happiness and joy in my life  

get a clue assholes...  

keep it in your damn pants!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

men's rights

In regards to the Roe vs. Wade debate--legally, I think he is actually correct. Morally, I think he is 100% incorrect. Okay fine, he didn't get the choices she did, but now there is an existing child that needs his love and support. Many women that plan to give a child up for adoption quickly change their minds once they meet that child. If he were to actually meet his child, he too would probably feel the need to protect and love her. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

You're awesome

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Wow, Jayriddle, you sure did open up a can of worms when you said that women are done with their physical burden after nine months. You really have no idea. Just for starters, there's all the post-partum recovery. That includes healing of the uterus, any tears or incisions, hemorrhoids, wearing sanitary pads for as much as six weeks and in some cases longer. There's breastfeeding and if there's anything that can make even the most loving earth-mother feel functional, breastfeeding will do it. Big old wet splotches developing on the front of your shirt/dress just because you hear a baby cry in the next aisle of the grocery store or even on a radio or television. Changes to hair and skin that take years to go away, if ever. Then there's that sleep deprivation thing. Now that's a surefire way to put your body on the line. There's all those nightly feedings, staying up late to get laundry done at night, getting back to work even though you're tired and/or conflicted. There's carrying around the baby, there's post-partum development of tenosynovitis, and then there's the half-size changes in shoe size. Physically, it is a whole other experience to go from a 25 inch waistline to 62 and then work to get back down. Baking cookies late at night because "I promised that you would, Mom" or cooking some ethnic meal because "we're studying Spain and I forget to tell you that I signed up to bring paella."  

  

OMG, I could go on and on forever but I have to stop because I am already smiling with nostalgia. Jewish men thank God everyday for not making them women. Why? Because it is just so much to handle. And why I am I smiling? Because the great magic for so many women is that there is such an abundance of love and joy throughout all these physical burdens. The emotions and attachments to one's child are incomparable. That is true for many women and men. It may be different in form and manifestation but the emotions run just as deep and just as strong for most moms and dads. 

  

But please, don't lecture to women about the physical burdens of having children.  

What a beautiful post! You made a great point and further, what a blessing you must be to your children. Thank you for being such an example of motherhood and humanity.
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

okay i might understand

okay i might understand if he had worn a condom and it failed,but he gave up his rights when he decided to go at it without it.yes women have choices, but do we have a choice when we are in a commited relationship and the man or boy in most cases takes off and we end up alone. honestly if he truely was adament about not being a father he would a worn a condom. not to bag on fellow females but some aren't always truthful about birth control. he should have listened to the big head and abstained then he wouldn't have to be going through this at all. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

Take care of your responsibility! REGARDLESS

I am married and have 2 wonderful children.  I cant imagine my husband not wanting our children.    

   

REGARDLESS if you want children or NOT if you have sex and get pregnant you stand up like a man and take care of your child.  It doesn't take one person to get pregnant it takes two.  I dont care whether or not you planned it.  If you are old enought to think you are to have sex you are old enough to take care of the child.  So,  quit pouting that you have a child and realize that a child is a blessing from God and He obviously thinks that you are ready or you wouldn't have a child.  

   

Maybe that is God's wake up call on you.  I feel sorry for your parents since they had a child like you.  What if they just gave you up to someone else.  How would you feel?  Oh I am sorry you must not have a heart Right??  

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

Matt Doesn't Want His Baby

Besides all of the moral and ethical obligations that Matt has to his baby, I'd like to address his legal defense. Matt suggests that he wasn't given the right to decide whether to have baby. I think that and his attorney should look at how children of divorced are handled according to the court's perspective. Althought I am not an attorney, it is my understanding, that unless parents who are divorcing are able to present to the court that they agree that they should have join custody, then generally one parent is awarded custody. That parent is the legal custodian of the parent. The other parent who is not the legal custodian is unable to make mulitple decisions regarding to the unbringing of that child, i.e. religous education, participation in extra curricular events and the ultimate day-to-day responsibilities of that child reside with the legal custodian. 

  

In any case, this is somewhat like a divorce /seperation before the birth of the child. I can't imagine the courts awarding the custody of an unborn child to a man. As odd as it sounds, while the child is in womb, at the very least, temporary custody of the child would naturally belong to the mother. 

  

This all may be way out there. But the bottom line is, that Matt is in the situation that many fathers find themselves in......responsible for their choices, but without much legal authority. It's not the fault of the court. If Matt was so adamant about not wanting a child, there were certainly additional precautions he could have taken. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:31 am PDT

It happened to a friend of mine

It happened to a friend of mine. His girlfriend telling him she was medically unable to get pregnant. And then she did. My friend took the high road trying to be a good father.   

   

After a year she left him for another man, constanlty aggravates him for money, demeans him and encourages him to have less involvement with the child. She can do whatever she wants witht he child while he is subject to her whims.  

   

Women have many legal protections and recourses that men do not. There is not equal protection under the law for men on this issue.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 7:32 am PDT

Thinking with what head?

I just can not believe these men you have here today Dr. Phil !!!!!! I have watched you for the whole time you have ben on.... from Oprah to here. And this is one of the most anal guests you have had. I feel he basically admitted he has not control of his " little man "  God gave him those soldiers to be in command of. HE has the ulimate control of giving a woman a child. Its his bad if he was to " in the moment " to much use his head on his shoulders to  figure " accidents can happen " and keep them soldiers under his own command!!! What a dumbass Dr. Phil... where did you find him....
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:32 am PDT

Father who does not want to be a father

If he willing got in to bed with this women and had sex with out any thing.  If before the baby was born he did not sing of on his parenting rigths.  Then the court I think will say that he has to pay or the child till it is 18 years old.  If he did not want to be a dad then he should have never got in to bed with her and had sex.  I think this kind of thing will give dad who are dead bets a way for getting out of take carry of the childeren. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 7:32 am PDT

Total Disagreement

I believe that Matt should've considered all the possibilites before he had sex with his ex-girlfriend.  Just because she supposedly couldn't get pregnant and was supposedly on birth control does not mean that it wasn't possible for het to get pregnant.  Anything is possible.  Since he didn't stop to think, he should be at least financially responsible to that little girl.  I think it's bull crap that just because he said he didn't choose to be a father that he get out of helping to care for his child.  And she is his child.  Whether he admits it or not.  That baby contains his DNA, therefore she is his child!!!!  Probably 1/2 of the pregnancies that take place are unplanned pregnancies.  Mine were.  But I'm not going to not care for my children just because I wasn't planning on having children when I did.  I was on birth control when I got pregnant with my second.  Anything is possible!!!!  Maybe Matt will think harder and longer before jumping in bed with someone without protection!
 
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