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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 22, 2006, 10:30 am PDT

Its called termination of parental rights

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First of all...I am female.  I can't believe no one has ever come up with this option before.  If the mother wants to make the decision by herself to keep a baby, then the father should have the option to automatically decide to give the baby up for adoption TO THE MOTHER!  Doesn't the mother have that option?.....mothers make adoption decisions all the time.  This should be a law for an option for the father and passed at the state and national level.  This should be an AUTOMATIC option without thousands of dollars having to be spent by both parties for attorney fees.  Why should the mother get all the choices?  This solution would give the father the opportunity to decide what happens to his own life without someone trying to control him and force him into something he does not want to do or be!  This may also help cut down on girls/women getting pregnant in order to trap a man or to get money.  If it is the responsibility of both mother and father to raise and care for an unplanned child, then the father should have a say equal to that of the mother of whether or not to give birth to and/or keep the child.  Girls/women...if you want to keep the baby, then do it with the knowledge that the father either wants to father the child with you, or you're on your own!  I hope this young man wins his case....his stand was and is very clear. 

They don't allow that because they want the man's pay check to raise the child.  The man can fight to terminate his parental rights, but the mother must agree to this- essentially saying she won't get any child support.
 
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April 22, 2006, 10:36 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I agree with him.  I am a 27 y/o mother of 3, 2 are ours, 1 is his.  The one who is his, her mother decided to not be her mother and my husband wanted her and kept her.  She has no contact with her biomother and we do not receive a drop of money from her.  It may seem sad, but it's not.  She is better off without her biomom and better off not being jerked around by courts and everything else that we could put her mother through and therefor her as well.  My husbands brother has a different father than my husband and their mother forced him to see his father and call him even though his dad made it clear he didn't want him.  His brother is now in his 20's and think everyone owes him because his mom made a big deal to him about his dad not wanting him instead of just letting him no she loves him and that's all that matters. 

  

I also have a friend who's girlfriend told him she was pregnant, he was excited, then she got an abortion and acted like it was no big deal, even years later he thinks of that child and is hurt.  I think Men should have a choice when it has to do with THEIR child.  I think they should have the same rights as women, and if they do not want the child, they should be able to "abort" all rights for that child.  Yes they should be responsible, but so should the women.  If something fails and one decides to keep the child, the other should not be held responsible money wise or in any other way. 

 So, if she had wanted to keep the child, but the guy said to have it sucked down the sink, would that be okay too?

I am sorry for men who get "oopsed". I find females who do that to be the lowest of the low. But with this little boy Matt, who knows what is the truth?

I just think men had it all their way for too many years. Now, they want to have even MORE say over women's bodies? No freaking way. To allow Matt to opt out like this, would be opening the worst can of worms. Men getting the full say in  what happens to the baby, no matter what. Men ordering abortions and skipping out on their duty.

Ya know? Life ain't fair.  Men cannot have the babies and go through no discomfort, or anything else concerning pregnancy. Until science or God makes a way for them to do so, they should grow up, keep it zipped and like an ADULT, realize that ANY sexual encounter can result in a baby. Geez, that  is Sex Ed 101, for gawd's sake.
 
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April 22, 2006, 10:39 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I'm sorry but a puppy and a baby are two very different things.  As far as men's rights are concerned.  He is choosing not to be in the child's life and make a public mockery out of fatherhood.  This will be incredibly harmful to the child someday...so this should be about HIS rights..are you kidding? 

Of course a puppy and a child are two very different things.  My point is this....Matt is treating this situation...at its present stage as something he can just walk away from (the puppy) with a clear conscience.  The baby is HERE.  The ONLY choice NOW is to step up to the plate and be a responsible father.  Matt is looking for a way to justify walking away by saying that he didn't have the same choices his ex had.  I agree with him...he didn't have the same choices AFTER conception.  I don't agree with his CHOICE to bring the matter to court so that he can sleep better at night.  His DNA is now a part of another human being.  Just like he didn't think far enough into the future while having unprotected sex and the possibilities of an unplanned pregnancy or an STD, he is now, once again not thinking about the future and the possibilities of regretting his battle in court.  He won't understand until he has children in the future.  Only then will he realize what he has done.  

 
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April 22, 2006, 10:41 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

to some people it would seem a cut and dry question however there's always going to be two sides unfortually our world we live in focuses on who's right who's wrong, the positve and more 

negative, my opion in relationship to raising three teenage boys and one girl i have  

repetively told them we are not responsibable for others actions however we must be responsible 

for our own and just because it doesn't seem right or fair nothing in life that doesn't appeal to us 

is going to seem fair with that said a child is concieved by different means in this case two individuals . he may have stated he wasn't ready for a child at this time and it was very clear however 

if you don't want it make sure you take the resonsiblitly into your hands don't have sex, wear a condom or pay the price if you haven't fullfilled your end, this doesn't mean he's all wrong but instead of making it he or she pointing fingers to ease your end of all of this learn a valuable lesson and don't make the same choice the next time around,above all be resonsible for your actions it doesn't matter how many times you try to run from something when you stop you'll be faced with the same issue deal with it don't try to pass by it 

 

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April 22, 2006, 10:44 am PDT

I asked 3 men what they thought about this issue...

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I noticed that too. The fact that they are so easily swayed by their men makes it no suprise that they are easily taking the "male" side of this issue.

But not all men agree with this man on Dr Phil. My husband doesn't.
All 3 men agree that Matt should be financially responsible for baby he helped create.  And that if he wanted to be 100% sure he would not be a father, he should have kept it in his pants.  (The guys I asked were ages 37, 55 & 64.) 
 
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April 22, 2006, 10:54 am PDT

Dan needs to learn the word consequence!

There are consequences for all actions, the consequence of sex is pregnancy!   Birth control is not 100% that is a fact of life that he needs to grow up and face. Sex is not something that should be done without thought of the consequences, there are already too many deadbeat fathers, lets not make it easier for them!  He should be going around to high schools and colleges talking to kids about the consequences of sex and don't have sex with someone unless you are fully prepared for the consequences instead of trying to make this a battle of the sexes!  If he wants to get the legal system involved he  and all the other selfish men out there should have every potentional sexual partner sign a pre-sex agreement, releasing him of any responsiblity if pregnacy occurs as a result of their actions.  At least then if a woman sleeps with him she will know up front that it is he is irresponsible and selfish!
 

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April 22, 2006, 10:54 am PDT

Women who disagree with Matt hate men?

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I'm a little shocked at all the animosity toward men here. "Use your hand!"   

" Keep your pants on!"  "Think with your brain."    All these things can be said to the woman, too.  Shouldn't she have kept her pants on or used her hand if she didn't want a child? 

  

I get tired of the "accidents happen" refrain, too.  Yes, accidents happen but people who ignore traffic laws have many more accidents than those who obey them.  Ladies, if you don't want to raise a child by yourself, if you think your future children deserve a secure home with married parents; then get on the pill, don't forget to take it and use a spermicidal foam before actual sexual encounters.  Your chance of an accident will be about one in a million. 

That's an interesting interpretation.    

   

And unplanned pregnancies DUE happen to women on birth control.  I know a woman with her tubes tied who had a baby!   I've also heard of a rare case of a vasectomy spontaeously reversing itself.  But regardless, birth control certainly reduces (but rarely eliminates) risk of unplanned pregnancy (hysterectomy excepted).  If a woman gets pregnant for whatever reason:  lack of birth control, misuse of birth control, failure of perfectly used birth control, or outright lying on the part of either parent, BOTH parents are responsible for the child THEY produced.  The child shouldn't have to suffer b/c of the stupidity or dishonesty of his or her parents.  

 
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April 22, 2006, 10:57 am PDT

Deadbeat dads?

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Sorry I disagree, Matt had total choice, everytime they slept together he could have used a condom, he CHOSE not to, making a conscious choice everytime!  I do not necessarily belive she had an Opps I got pregnant moment.  Maybe she was told by a medical professional she could not get pregnant, we dont know!  It is really harsh to judge when we dont know her story. 

For Matt to be able to decide after the fact is ludecris, 1st of all he took the chance by not abstaining from intercourse or using a condom, 2nd, he is not the one to carry the child, it is not his body!  He decided to have sex, he cant change his mond now!!!!  And finally, Dad's walk away all the time and ignore their children.... 

apparently the "I am not ready for a child and have decided to be a deadbeat" ploy is alive and well. 

I think Matt is looking for noteriety and is disgustingly naive, what kind of father does that to his child, and undoubtably she is his daughter!!! 

A question to ponder.... if safe sex and being conned is a concern, why would he take the chance of getting VD, realistically speaking, he was not concerned about diseases either.  He is a hypocritical idiot and should be ashamed! 

Men don't generally just decide that they don't want to be dads after the fact.  Often they are forced into it.  We all know this.  I know this because I did this.  He did all the right things- condoms, monogomy, etc.  Well, I got pregnant anyway.  And even though I had always said I won't have any children... I'd never had to be faced with the choice before.  I chose life.  I chose my daughter, even though he was strongly against it.  I told him he didn't have to do ANYTHING- no playing dad, no child support, nothing.  And so he did. 

  

Realistically, that wasn't fair to him either.  He now must wonder about her, about her upbringing, for the rest of his life.  I knew I wasn't giving him a real choice, I was doing exactly what I had previously said I would never do.  I'm sorry for putting him in that position, it certainly isn't fair.  I leave him alone, leave courts out of it, because he's already been damaged enough by this situation.  What right do I have to ask for more? 

 
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April 22, 2006, 10:58 am PDT

A Womans Body

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First of all...I am female.  I can't believe no one has ever come up with this option before.  If the mother wants to make the decision by herself to keep a baby, then the father should have the option to automatically decide to give the baby up for adoption TO THE MOTHER!  Doesn't the mother have that option?.....mothers make adoption decisions all the time.  This should be a law for an option for the father and passed at the state and national level.  This should be an AUTOMATIC option without thousands of dollars having to be spent by both parties for attorney fees.  Why should the mother get all the choices?  This solution would give the father the opportunity to decide what happens to his own life without someone trying to control him and force him into something he does not want to do or be!  This may also help cut down on girls/women getting pregnant in order to trap a man or to get money.  If it is the responsibility of both mother and father to raise and care for an unplanned child, then the father should have a say equal to that of the mother of whether or not to give birth to and/or keep the child.  Girls/women...if you want to keep the baby, then do it with the knowledge that the father either wants to father the child with you, or you're on your own!  I hope this young man wins his case....his stand was and is very clear. 

I absolutely agree with you that the man should have the option of letting the mother adopt the child.  I truly think that too many babies are being brought into this world by young women that don't have a clue what they are getting themselves into.  If they choose to have unprotected sex and get pregnant it should be their responsibility to raise that child.  A man can use a condom but that IS NOT a form of birth control.  Woman have all sorts of choices.  This is such a passionate topic for me.  I have for so long believed that it is a womans problem or privlege to have a child HER CHOICE!!  Young girls now a days look at having babies out of wedlock almost like a badge of honor.  They are not shamed at all.  It is just so wrong.  But attorneys like it all the money they are making from custody fights.  It really all comes down to money.  A child is far better off with one loving parent than 2 parents fighting over visitations and money.  Our society should not make it okay for these young girls to be having babies.  I truly hope that young man wins his case.  Woman need to protect themselves and be accountable with their choices and actions. 
 
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April 22, 2006, 11:06 am PDT

Get real

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 So, if she had wanted to keep the child, but the guy said to have it sucked down the sink, would that be okay too?

I am sorry for men who get "oopsed". I find females who do that to be the lowest of the low. But with this little boy Matt, who knows what is the truth?

I just think men had it all their way for too many years. Now, they want to have even MORE say over women's bodies? No freaking way. To allow Matt to opt out like this, would be opening the worst can of worms. Men getting the full say in  what happens to the baby, no matter what. Men ordering abortions and skipping out on their duty.

Ya know? Life ain't fair.  Men cannot have the babies and go through no discomfort, or anything else concerning pregnancy. Until science or God makes a way for them to do so, they should grow up, keep it zipped and like an ADULT, realize that ANY sexual encounter can result in a baby. Geez, that  is Sex Ed 101, for gawd's sake.
No man can make a woman have an abortion, it would be her choice!!  Yes thats right, SHE HAS A CHOICE, and so should the man.  If he doesn't want to be a father he shouldn't have to.  Woman should be responsible for their own bodies.  She chose to have sex with this guy, she should choose to protect HER body.  It sounds like all she wants from him at this point is money.  That is all custody battles are really about money.  Not the child.  Get real..........she wanted a baby, she's got one.  HER CHOICE!!
 
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