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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 8:16 am PDT

baby wars.....Can't get Pregnant????

Trust me whn I say I know how both the mother and "sperm donor" must have felt when she discoverd she was pregnant. My Daughter had been in a longt erm relationship with a  man who at the time she would have loved to have had a child with, but for several years doctors had told her she would never get pregnant. Most recently she was involved with a man for 2-3 years, the young man died of a drug overdose, a month from the day he was buried, she discovered she was 4 months pregnant....sure she had been feeling poorly, but it never occured to her that she could be pregnant .As was mentioned on the show, a woman really doesn't know until such time that it happens how she will feel!
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:17 am PDT

baby wars

a condom should have been used if a a chance of preganacy was not wanted. the CHILD should not have to suffer just because someone does not want to a parent, no matter which side, it took two to make the baby , the child will later hold you at resentment for not qawanting to be apart of her life. can you live with tht feeling for the rest of your life. There is no greater feeling  in life than being a parent, as i am currently enjoying my life as a Grandmother. i woould not change one thing if i had to do it over again. CHILDREN ARE WONDREFUL GIFTS
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:17 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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People state that it is my body, I have the right to do whatever I want with it, have the child, abort it, give it up for adoption, but when it comes to protecting my body during sex it is the man fault.  WHAT?!?!?!  If it is my body after sex, it should also be my responsibility before sex.   

  

I think it is extremely selfish of women to forget that they are the only ones to protect their own body, it is not up to someone else.  If a woman doesnt want to have a child, there are numerous ways to prevent them, but yet I guess that is up to the man because it is his fault correct?  I have no responsibility of what happens to my body.  IT IS MY BODY.  If I dont want to have a child, you can take the pill, IUD, condoms, the more you use the less likely you will get pregnant.  It is amazing how people blame others for what they do. 

  

  

She wasn't the only one there, they both have responsibility when it comes to sex and protection. This chils is a 50 50 responsibility for both of them. She is paying for this child although she didn't want her so he should step up and pay child support as well.
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:17 am PDT

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The only way to be 100% not to become a parent is NOT have the egg and sperm meet!!!  There is only about 3 days in the month that a woman can get pregnant.  (each woman is different so see your doctor for additiona information)  If matt really didn't want to have children he should have inquired as to when his partner was ovulating!!   He sounds like a big baby that doesn't want to take ANY responsibility for his actions.  Bottom line--If you have intercourse, you could make a baby!!  So before things get heated you need to ask yourself--If I have intercourse I could get pregnant /become a parent.  Am I ready for this?  If your answer is NO then intercourse shouldn't be engaged.   

This is just my opinion.  Also,  

  

Why can't (doesn't) Matt sign his parental rights over to his ex-girl friend?  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:18 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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    For the sake of correctness lets say deadbeat parent :    First i feel that marriage is a seperation point in this issue and if you are married at the time of conception then you could argue your point but even then if the father does not want a child and the mother does then at that time the mother has assumed the role and responsabilities including money issues. According to my FAITH i do not agree with ABORTION period. But according to the constitution and law of liability the female has control of 99.9% of the birth control. 

Ok we can say DEAD BEAT PARENT!  I agree 100%.....As for the abortion thing I dont agree with it either.  My biggest point here is that they both need to step up, not just the mother.  Or we will have yet another innocent child on the system! 
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:18 am PDT

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I believe that when it comes to pregnancy it is a womans decision as to what she wants to do because it is HER BODY. No one can tell you what to do with your own body. If he didn't want to have responsibility when it comes to a child then he should NOT have had sex with her. I do not believe that he should be obligated to be a father but he should still pay child support. She wasn't the only one who created this baby therefore she shouldn't be the only one to have to pay for this baby.
I'm so sick of the biased female responses.  OH YOUR THE MAN. JUST PAY  ME! Its my body, I can do whatever I want! Oh... Now pay me!  There is going to come a day when Men will get fed up, and you will force him into a situation he doesn't want to be in, and something bad will happen. Either for the child or for yourself.  EQUAL RIGHTS!   It goes both ways.. I'm sick of hearing women say, "Well keep it in your pants! Oh he's just  a sprem donor! oh he's a dead beat! Men are dogs, men are worthless"     The same goes for women.. Since you have all the rights and want to keep it that way.  I guess men have the right to say, "Keep your legs closed! Maybe you shoudl use your mouth more. Slutty Women! What a sperm recycling plant!".      Stop being so biased. open your mind and maybe you will see it comes down to a ton of factors. We all know it feels completely different to use a condom vs no condom. Maybe we should make a law that ALL women are to be on birth control till they are married?  How about that?  Then we can't call men "Just a Sperm Donor anymore".    It goes both ways.  the man can't donate to the sperm bank, if the woman doens't open the vault up and allow the sperm flow.
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:18 am PDT

ONCE AGAIN>>>>

Until a man can carry a child for nine months and has the torment of the changes of a pregnancy, he CANNOT make these decisions.    

    

I find it strange, living in Michigan and knowing about this case for a while now, that we actually have people in this country that would agree with this totally careless and unapologetic "kid" and stand up with him saying that he has "RIGHTS".  PLEASE>>>>>  I am so ticked off that I could scream.    

    

How can you have sex with a woman, and NOT wear a condom in this day and age, and be so angry at the woman for getting pregnant???    

    

He should be thankful that he does not have 25 million diseases and be grateful for ONLY for a pregnancy.      

    

He guy..... Get off your "moral" and "give me MY rights" soap box.  You had sex without a condom.  DEAL WITH IT!!!    

    

WHAT A JERK!!!!  WHAT AN IDIOT!!!  WHAT A COMPLETE BRAIN DEAD FOOL!!!!!    

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:18 am PDT

birth control not always 100%

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SHE LIED TO HIM!! Women have been holding men at ransom for years in this country by having babies not always wanted by both partners. If he made it clear he did not want to be a father at this stage of the game why did she take the risk of getting pregnant by having sex with him in the first place? Agreed there is equal responsibility that Matt should have not given up his "seed" if he did not want to be a father, but it is clear this young man was LIED too! I grew up in the mid-west and I saw women dropping babies like rabbits to get a larger AFDC welfare check. They found that having babies could be a source of "income". There are many sides to this coin. My Dad left my Mom with four kids in 1964 and he didn't pay a DIME in child support. I am the third one down of four and watched my Mom be a waitress for years to raise her children.  The truth is that human beings are the only mammals on the planet that I know of which can have sex for pleasure and not get pregnant--- this is the 21st century. In the "old days" they used pig intestines for condoms or were just to tired to even have sex trying to survive in this world. I'm with Matt on this one and I hope he wins his court case but the sad fact is there is already a human soul brought into this world who will suffer---the baby. I think women set themselves up for failure when  they do not select the right sex partner in the event they do get pregnant. Its not the man who carries a child to term and falls in love with what comes out unless there is a loving "sperm donor" / "Father" involved. Its apparent men have a need to spread their seed in the barbaric sense of the phrase but it is the woman who carries the greatest responsibility by selecting who or what she will spread her legs for. The bottom line is Creator created sex for procreation of the human species and if you don't want children DONT HAVE SEX!
I have a friend who's wife got pregnant 2 times while on birth control pill and a cousin who tried IVF three times ($10,000each time) because she was told she could NEVER have children and after adopting, became pregnant!  NOthing is 100% even if you are told you are not able to have children and even vasectomies are not 100%!!  GET OVER IT!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:18 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

When my husband was thirty years old, the exact same thing took place.  They dated for about two months and had sexual intercourse one time.  Both acknowledges this and both also agee that she lied to him when she stated that she was on birth control and that she had a medical condition as well.  She was 32 years old and My husband feels that she was at a point where she wanted a child and saw a great oppotunity to do so.  He had a great job and income, home, etc... I did not know him at this time so I was not apart of this situation, however I did come into this when the child was 14 months old.  I could see that they clearly did not get along and I have tried to keep my opinions to myself and let them make decisions, communicate, etc.  My husband took responsiability from the start, he was devasted like I am sure this man is because this is not how he planned for things to happen and under normal circumstances people do not choose to do things backwards, but things happen.  The problem that my husband had to deal with is he was taking responsability but because he did not want to have a realtionship with hte mother she did not want him to have  a relationship with the child.  He did not even know that she was pregnant until the baby was two months old.  So he had a lot of trust issues with the mother because of her lying to him and with holding information.  She tried to control him and his visitation so much that he had no choice but to take her to court and get a judge to decide a visitation schedule.  She wanted the check every month but would not let him see her unless it was convienant to her.  He won the legal battle and he got joint custody, half the time, she is now 11 years old and doing great.  She has her own room complete with everything you could want or need and my husband coaches her softball team, we take her to school and pick her up.  we try to limit as much contact with the mom because of hard feelings it seems to make it easier on the child because there is less tension for her but if we do have contact we are cordial.  It seems like if her moms life is not going well then she makes things hard for everyone.  We just try to live the life we were handed and go on.  I know that he will regret not being apart of his childs life and a person has got to question what he is trying to get out of this for himself.  He is obviously needing or wanting attention. 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:19 am PDT

Doesn't want to be a father

I am a woman but I understand Matt's point of view. He was lied and tricked into a pregnancy that his girlfriend knew that he didn't want. He had faith in her that she couldn't get pregnant and she lied. She should have said there is a possibility that I couldn't get pregnant, therefore he could have continued to use birth control. Women have many options to deal with pregnancy. Abortion, adoption, raising the baby but men do not. They are stuck with the decisions that the women make. I have a 10 year old son that I have made sure he understands that women lie about certain things. If they say they are on birth control use protection anyway because some women want to trap their men (either financially or physically). Which is what happened in this case. I want to say to Matt personally....good luck and I hope you win. Men are typically screwed when it comes to children in the US. Help set a precedent for other men that are willfully and blatantly trapped.     
 
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