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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 8:23 am PDT

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One thing that I hope that Matt realizes by filing this lawsuit is that, one, he is not setting any kind of precedent, and ,two, there will more than likely never be another woman in this country who will dare date him, let alone have sex with him!  It is completely apprehensible to me to think that something like this lawsuit is actually being given a chance in this nation!  I agree with the Doc!  He did make a choice when he first chose to have sex with his girlfriend ( like it was never an option not to) and then second when he chose to have unprotected sex with her.  I agree that it was a choice on both of their parts to have unprotected sex in the first place, but anytime anyone anywhere decides to have sex, protected or not, there is always at least a slight risk that the woman may become pregant.  That is just the nature of the beast!  Part of me really wishes that Dr. Phil would have laid into Matt and his attorney and that other childless man a great deal more!  I wish I could have been in that audience today.  I would have come up out of my seat!  My heart goes out to Elizabeth and I give her EXTREME props for being so civil about what this loser is doing to her and her gorgeous baby!  After this guy's case is thrown out for wasting the court's time, I hope she sues him for all he's worth(which may not be much) and wins (BIG TIME!)   

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:23 am PDT

choices?

Quote From: stupormom

Women get the lion's share of the choices in this issue because they get the lion's share of the concequences.  The day that a man can carry, deliver, and nurse the child, they can have all the choices they please!  

The day a woman can biologically concieve without "something a man produces from his body" being used, is the day a man does not have a choice. 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:24 am PDT

responsibility

In October 2000, I underwent surgery to remove a large cyst from my ovary. I was diagnosed with a condition known as polycystic ovarian syndrome and was told after surgery that I was, in all likelihood, sterile. We already had a beautiful daughter born in 1996. We had tried unsuccessfully to have another baby. By Spring of 2001, the doctor determined that there was very little ovarian function and I was sterile. On August 8, 2001 I was back in the hospital to have surgery, this time to remove the ovary. Just as I was being taken to anesthesia, my doctor ran in the room and informed me that she could not proceed because I WAS PREGNANT. I was told by a medical professional that I was sterile. The result is on Good Friday 2002 I was blessed with a beautiful baby boy who is now four, is daddy's boy, mommy's baby and loves his big sister more than anything in this world. He is my miracle baby. Elizabeth is lucky - she has a rational mother who recognized the gift she was given. I highly doubt there was any malicious intent. I am living proof that sometimes nature even baffles the medical community. He consented to the sex and is therefore responsible for the financial well-being of this child, regardless of his emotional or physical involvement in her life. This immature manchild, who is misusing the legal system for his own benefit, does not DESERVE to have such a beautiful child.   

Kim Douglas, Hollidaysburg PA 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:24 am PDT

Men should have rights...

I absolutely agree that a man should have a right to choose. It seems that a lot of people think that a man is a dead beat,  if he does not take responsibility for an unplanned pregnancy, no matter what the circumstance is. There are a lot of women that will not take responsibility for deceiving a man that they know does not want to be a father. I think this is like a form of extortion. A women lies to a man a that she cannot have children, allows herself to conceive a child and then expects the father to feel good about it. Something is wrong with this. As of now a man has no input on this. He is just simply responsible for paying child support.   

  

My point is: if there are laws in place to protect a mans rights, this would stop a lot of women from engaging in this practice. This can be a terrible situation for a man or any human being to be forced into something that he does not want, a man makes it clear up front that he does not want this, but yet they do it anyway. This is irresponsible and ultimately the child suffers. What kind of person would put someone and their child in this situation? What kind of mother will they be? I think there should be laws in place to at least give a man some rights, even if each case is just that - handled case by case in court.  What if the situation were reversed? 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:24 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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OMG i wanna marry you.. lol 

wow. i think your one of the few and only, that actually see that it is equal that we both have choices. and that it is a lot of work to raise children. and it takes love...  

wow you have your head on your shoulders!!!!! 

I agree WOW amazing that someone can reply so perfectly...................LOL I'm sure your one of a kind :) Nice to know we still have a few good ppl in this world with their feet on the ground and head in the right place......God bless you  

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:25 am PDT

I agree

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You need to grow up and accept the consequences of your own actions.  ANY time two people engage in sex, there is always a chance of pregnancy.  You are an adult (chronologically speaking anyway). You knew what you were doing when you fathered this child.  Now you have a child and it is time for you to be a father. 

  

You seem to assume that your child's mother lied to you.  That isn't necessarily so. I was told by a fertility specialist that because of a health condition, I would need surgery to be able to get pregnant.  Three years later I had my son (a wonderful surprise:).  My mother got pregnant with my baby brother late in life when she was told that she had completed menopause.   

  

There are no perfect, fool proof ways to have intercourse with a woman and take no chance to have a baby.  The only way to ensure that you won't be a parent is to not have sex. 

He knew what he doing just didn't care.  He didn't cover is mister happy when he should have.  Nothing is a 100%  I know a lot people who where born using condoms and the pill.  My son is one. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:26 am PDT

Be a Man

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Nobody is saying that woman is the victim in this situation.  The BABY (aka: innocent child, person who needs parents to love, raise, and nurture her, etc.) is the victim.  If he was so naive to believe that, then okay, fine.  He is still the father.  And what if she honestly believed she couldn't have kids???? We have all heard stories of people with their tubes tied and everything else who end up pregnant.  So, by your point, she didn't wait until she got married, but that doesn't change the fact that she got pregnant, and she didn't do it alone.  So, maybe he should learn that their are alternate methods that he can use to take care of his needs that don't involve someone he might impregnate until he's ready to get married and have kids as well.   

But back to the victim, the baby is the one who is not at fault here, and he needs to get over himself and do what's right.  However, if she had a choice in who her parents are, I'm sure she could do with out the lame 'boy' who can't step up to the plate because he isn't ready yet.  He doesn't deserve her!!! 

I don't think you're to be considered a man until you can live up to your responsibilities. If you have sex, there should be at LEAST the consideration in your mind saying "am I ready to have a baby", if the answer is NO, then Do not have sex. Simple as that. Whether either party lied, whether the condom broke, or the pill missed it's point, it doesn't matter. Sex sometimes leads to babies, for all those men who didn't know. If you are not ready for that step in life, or the responsibilites that come with it, keep yourself at home, away from women. It doesn't matter if he didn't want to be a father, then he should not have had sex at all. I feel so bad for that baby. I'm sure she'll want to know her father. And when in reality she doesn't, because he's too immature for adult life.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:27 am PDT

You Conflicted your own response

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Here's the deal - yes men should get the same say as women - BUT where does the line get drawn?  If you say a man is allowed to decide to opt out of fatherhood if they so desire - are we giving them the green light to go out and have unprotected sex when they don't have to fear the consequences of a child to care for?  Not to mention trying to adapt Roe vs Wade to fit men...if we give men the right to choose here is the reality we as women face: 

1.  a man can walk away from a child 

2.  the man can try to force a woman to have an abortion or place her child up for adoption because that is what the father wants 

3.  if a woman doesn't want a child and wants an abortion the father would have the right to force her to carry the child full term to either place for adoption or raise. 

  

So at what point is the line drawn?  

 Read what you wrote!!    If a man can just walk away he will go have unprotected sex all the time?  What the hell? So are you saying all women are sluts and can be responsible enough to not have sex till marriage?  Maybe this is what we need. The women who have all the rights in the first place to start taking more responsibility but in an area that starts it all. It takes 2 people to have sex. 2!! Not just a man!  So sick of hearing that. Women have rights and some very biased rights. Men should not be punished for dishonest pregancies.  If morals come into play, some men will take responsility because it is how they were raised.  But if someone just wants a child of their own, the father not in the picture, they can't ask for child support or a father from the donor. I had a girlfriend that just wanted a child. Didnt want me! She told me straight up she would do whatever she had to, to have a baby.  Now she has some guys kid, he wants to see the child, she says no!... It's a curel world.  You hear about the men all the time. Because, well Women talk more! Gossip more!  even women know that.  Men just have to live with it. Deal with it! and not bitch! Cause then we're not men!.   
 

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April 21, 2006, 8:27 am PDT

Don't want to be a father? Have the woman sign a release.

 Regarding the young man who didn't want to be a father.

If his lawyers felt so strongly that men should have a legal choice in assuming the responsibilities of fatherhood, then why didn't they offer a viable solution.

Legally it should be very simple.  If a man wants to have sex without the responsibility for a child, all he needs to do is have his sex partner sign a contract / release.

The contract should state that the woman understands that the man will not provide any financial, physical or emotional support for either her or a child should a pregnancy occur.  It should cover a few other situations, but basically by signing the woman would be releasing the man from all responsibility in the result of pregnancy.

I’m not sure how many men would want to present a woman with this type of contract, but if men are serious about making fatherhood a choice then I think it’s the only option.  If a man is too much of a coward to ask a woman to sign a contract / release, then he’s going to be responsible for any children that result. That's his choice.
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:28 am PDT

If you think a baby is only about $$$..you are crazy

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when men dont stay around women are the ones who have all the burden for the duration of that childs life how can you say itsd just for 9 months. because after the baby is born then the women have the childs life to raise them feed them cloth them and love them while the deadbeat dad just has to pay a little child support so you tell me who has the biggest burden??????????? 

Who are you and what turnip truck did you fall off of??  Maybe Matt will have to  pay $500/mo for 18 years, but who gets up with the baby in the middle of the night, who feeds and diapers and nurtures the poor baby??  Who molds the precious child as she grows up and has to be "mommy and daddy"??  Hopefully you are not a father because if you think that is all it takes to be a mom is 9 mos of being pregnant..you are absolutely out of your mind!!!  The 9 mos is just the begining!  Matt (AKA "SPERM DONOR" ) would be getting out of it all pretty easy if that is ALL the responsibility he has to take is monetary!!  GIVE IT A REST ALREADY!!!
 
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