Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

Quote From: vdbailey

It is EACH person's responsibility to protect themselves when they decide to have sex.  If the female doesn't want a baby, then there are numerous options for contraceptions (the pill, the patch, the shot, etc.).  If the male doesn't want a baby, again there are options (condoms, vasectomy).  In this case, the gentleman took his partner's word regarding her ability (or inability) to get pregnant, instead of ensuring no pregnancy would occur by using a condom.  He took a chance by having unprotected sex.  A mans should never take a female's word that she can't get pregnant.  The only time a man should believe that is if his partner has had a hysterectomy.  Even tubal ligations aren't 100%.  Bottom line:  You and you alone are responsible for your actions (and consequences of them ) or lack of actions.

Quote From: loreleimb

  I can tell from your message that you are very uneducated and very defensive.  Perhaps you, yourself, have killed an unborn child and feel the need to defend your choice.  Let me educate you a bit.  Look up the verb "to champion."  It means to defend, advocate, or fight for.  Simple enough for you?  You are right.  Women do have the right to choose.  If they do not want to get pregnant, they can choose not to have sex.  Anyone who chooses to have sex must accept the responsibility of the consequences.  And having an abortion is avoiding responsibility, not taking it.  You are also right that "she has people who depend on her" and one of those people was the child she killed.  This was not a "right of freedom to choose".  It was a act of selfishness and irresponsibility."  Of course people do not have sex only to conceive.  But if conception occurs, those same people must make the choice to either raise a child or give one up for adoption.  No matter what is in the law books, the rights of the unborn child take precedence every time.  Perhaps one day, you, and those like you, will accept the reality of abortion as the violent, selfish act it is.  If you, yourself, have had an abortion, you will not open your mind to reality because you are too busy trying to hide from your actions and convince  yourself that they were justified.  Pehaps counseling would be helpful in coming to terms with the past for anyone that has made the decision to kill an unborn child.  There will be no peace of mind, not really, until abortionists accept what they have done for what it truly is.

Quote From: julie1418

Note how she said the burden of an UNWANTED pregnancy. If you read any of Judyblue's previous posts, you would know that her pregnancies were WANTED and LIFE-THREATENING. 

  

Men do have equal rights concerning control over their own bodies. They have DIFFERENT bodies and often exercise poor control over those bodies by foolishly believing whatever is convenient so they can have feel good sex without responsibilities. 

Quote From: monkeymum

I would hate to tell this guy but he could be far worse off.  In Alberta ,Canada if a single mother starts dating and then lives with a man that is not her childs father but can prove that this man helped support the child the man can be held accountable and made to pay child support.  So I suggest that he not B**** about being a daddy and having to pay because at least he is paying for a child that is his and not another mans.

Quote From: husky50r

I can't believe how unfairly men are treated when it comes to unplanned pregnancies.  First off, I'm a 55 year old married woman with two grown children.  When it comes to having babies, women get to call all of the shots.  Sure they are the ones carrying the child, but a man should still have equal input.  If a man does not want to have a child and the woman does, it is totally her right to do so, but it should be totally his right to sign away ALL parental rights.  That's what happens when there is an adoption, so why shouldn't it be the same for the male?  If a man says he doesn't want to have a child, and a woman says she does, it should totally be her responsibility if she wants to keep that child and they are unmarried.  Just as a man cannot force a woman to have an abortion and not have the child, the woman should not be allowed to force a man to take on a child that he does not want. If a woman didn't want to have the child, she just wouldn't have it, or give it up, and the man can be left out of the decision making.  How is any of this fair????? The man is always the bad guy and the woman is the "innocent".

Quote From: jaxxxxxx

Heaven forbid that  your son ever is the victim of a female offender rape ...  The fact is there is almost zero percent chance of a conviction.  And, the son is still the father and still has no chance  for custody. That's the law. As a survivor I've been there. I know the joy in hatred --the deep pride in causing harm-- that the public so very proudly throws at the victims of female offender crimes. You cannot say "all rapists should be jailed." The public, nor the courts, nor the government, nor the press will not allow you to jail the female rapist without a massive fight.

The fact is there is no such thing as a male's right to choose to be or not to be a father. That right belongs to the group "all fertile females." Fact. In most areas a male cannot even get a vasectomy, with sperm storage in a sperm bank, as a means of ensuring he has the right to choose if and when he is a father: Almost all doctors refuse to do such surgeries without a female's permission and that female CANNOT be his mother. That is the way it is.

We must have some rights for males in reproduction. Females object to this, so do dominant males. Fact. Yet, we still need to have some rights for males.

As for Matt? I have VERY mixed feelings about this case. I think the evidence shows that she lied with intent to get pregnant. He did not do everything in his, very limited, power to protect himself. Now, most females deeply believe in a woman's right to lie to get pregnant: That has been studied many times and is quite clear. So he, like all males, has a deeper duty to protect himself from her immense legal power (and political support for that power). He did not protect himself in the one way allowed him under our law. So, it seems to me that he does indeed share some responsibility for the child.

The fact remains that no male has the right to choose to be or not to be a father. Even if he uses a condom, she is completely free to ruin it. She has no responsibility under that circcumstance. If it fails, he is the father with no right in choosing to keep, abort or adopt the baby. Even if she chooses to adopt the baby out, he has no choice of taking custody himself. He has NO rights. Oh, in theory in some states if he puts himself on a registry which is almost impossible to get access to, he may in theory have the right to take custody himself if she trys to adopt out the baby. But, she has the simple right to go to another state for the birth or adoption and completely negate his registry and rights. That too is the law.