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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 8:28 am PDT

Get Real

I do not understand how that man could believe that he has a case.  Every time a couple have sex, they run the risk of pregnancy, whether they use contraceptives or not!  Unless one of you are surgically sterile, nothing is 100%!  He is selfish to think that he doesn't have at least some financial obligations.    

   

And what about this precious angel baby?!  She sure as heck deserves not to have a jackass for a father.  

   

If he wins this case, dead beat dads everywhere will make him a hero.  Shame on him.  Didn't his parents teach him anything?!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:29 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Why is it that when a man and woman find themselves in th situation of pregnancy, the woman can either have the child, have an abortion, or decide if the child goes up for an adoption? Why is it that the woman has the ultimate choice no matter what the man wants. Women want equal rights, so why not men? Plus the woman assured him that she was not physically able to have a child and she used birth control. He said the entire time he didn't want a child. Where does this become his fault for not using a condom, which I might add is not 100%. Someone told a lie somewhere along the lines. So why is it that someone who knows they have aids can not tell their partner, give them the disease, and then be charged with murder, and she can do basically the same concept, yet it's his fault?

I just thought that you were quite funny in the presumption that you can't get pregnant on birth control.  I have Three children that prove you can.  You see,  birth control that women use is not 100% because every body is different and some forms of the contraceptive do not work in all women.  The dose is too small or other health factors such as blood clots occur which many women get and can die from.  If a MAN or WOMAN makes the mistake of thinking that the "pill" or any other form of birth control is going to keep them from having a child, they are WRONG!!! Also, a woman can be told she is not capable of giving birth and does!  Wise up people!  If you don't educate yourself, you are leaving yourself completely vulnerable!  And any fool knows that this is not wise. 

She is taking responsibility for her actions and raising this baby to the best of her abilities however, he did not relinquish his parental rights and under the law is legally responsible for 1/2 of everything that baby needs to survive in the world.  Choice and concenquence.   

He needs to think of the child now and nothing else.  It is 50% him.  She is thinking of the baby and not really the money.  If she only wanted the money why is it that she calls him "dad" of "father" to her child.  She just wants him to take on his half of the responsibility and not leave it all to her.  He needs to take a look in the mirror and see who it is that he is really hurting in all of this.  We all know that it is not hurting him or the mom... 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:29 am PDT

I agree

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GET RID OF THIS SITUATION ????? ELIZABETH IS A CHILD (MATTS DAUGHTER) NOT A SITUATION !!!!!!!
NOT a situation, a BABY, a living, breathing, loving, little girl, and he wants to toss her out into the street. I, unfortunately, had a dead-beat father, who cheated on his wife with my mother, and then decided he didn't mean to make me. When she grows up, and happens to see that show, and understand that she was a mistake, I hope she's stronger than I was when I heard my biological father tell me I was a mistake. Men can be so IRRESPONSIBLE when it comes to sex it's unreal!  
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:29 am PDT

morally incorrect

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What is wrong with people. My husband would kill to be more involved with our son. He works so that I dont have to.  So I can stay at home with our child. Thats what he wants. I can work if I want to, but he wants me stay at home and be the primary care giver. He dosnt want someone else raising our son. ANYWAY, that man who is trying to opt out of being a father, what ever. Let him miss out of the greatset joy in life. He is not going to win his case.
Yes, I believe he is very wrong to be acting the way he is, but if he was not acting like a child he would realize that he could go to the courts and sign his rights away if he is that dead set against being in the child's life instead of dragging everyone through the mud to include that precious baby. I also feel he very much had a choice he made the choice to have sex and have it unprotected and now he must live with that . The problem I see is here is something happened that he did not want or like so he is going to throw a fit like a two year old and in the long run the one who will suffer is that beautiful child who did not ask for this. He just does not realize what he is missing. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:30 am PDT

Men have no rights

I am a married women with children, my husband had other chidren out-of-wedlock when he was young, his girlfriend then told him that she also was on the pill and she went fulll term without his knowledge of her being pregnant. Some women lie all the time to trap men into a marriage or relationship by having children, it's the oldest trick in the book, the only people who suffer are the children.  He pays a lot of money in child support and she pays nothing.  Women should take more control of preventing pregnacy when we are offered more birth control options then men. Condoms are effective more when both parties are using birth control, just because a man puts on a condom does not guarantee that it will work . It's not 99% like alot of birth that are for women. So therefore, when pregrency occurs we should look to the woman and ask: "Why did she let this happen?", when she is the one who can prevent it.  When pregnacy occurs, by law, It should be a signed consent by both parties in order for a pregnacy to go full term and then both parties should be equally resposible finacicaily. Not just men.
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:30 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: leeannt

Matt had a decision, he made the decision to use his penis without a condom.  How would anyone, doctor or otherwise know that definitively she could not get pregnant,  unless she didn't have a uterus.  He made a stupid choice and now he must be held accountable, isn't that what most people teach their children, to be responsible?     

   

I understand the whole reason for the lawsuit, to give fathers more choices but if he was so adamant about not being a father then he should have kept his penis in his pants and not put it inside someone who could possibly get pregnant.  Whats he going to say next, she MADE me ejaculate, I didn't want to???  Come on!  The sad thing is there is a gorgeous baby who will suffer through all this, he should forget this silly lawsuit and be a father to that baby.    Those lawyers should know they aren't going to win, mothers will always have the rights so this should be more of a lesson to all boys and men who are having unprotected sex.....WEAR A CONDOM!!!!!!!!  

im guessin neither one of them wanted to be a parent..  

they went out may have got drunk..who knows, they hit it off.  

then had sex..thats all. just sex..im sure they both did it before.   

so to imply he is at fault just isnt fair. the baby will be fine, your right he will not win, but it (if nothing else) should make the courts think more about the mans right..i hope anyway  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:31 am PDT

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     This guy that doesn't want to be a father to his child is a very inconsiderate, self-absorbed, twisted character.  If he wasn't ready to be a father he should have exercised his right to that choice by keeping it in his pants.  Sounds to me like he is just trying to get out of financially supporting the child.  He is far too young to realize that life throws things at you whether you're ready or not and that everyone is responsible for their own actions.  The sooner he swallows that bit of reality the better off he'll be.  Of course what more should we expect from a guy and his lawyer who have to debate the definition of "unprotected sex"?  The only 100% accurate birth control method is ABSTINENCE.  It is sad to know that this guy has sought refuge by getting a lawyer and fighting against that beautiful, innocent baby.  We live in a litigation society and people just don't know where to draw the line for sensible lawsuits.  Everybody continues to scream "MY RIGHTS-MY RIGHTS" when most of them should be thinking "MY WRONGS"! 
I feel so sad for this child.  Even though my marriage did not work out with the childrens father after 11 years I know I gave it my all.  My ex has chosen not to be a part of the childrens lives and they hurt for that.  I did not push the child support issue as I should have.  I have worked myself to the bone but have now remarried a wonderful man who calls these children " his boys " and has since we got married 9 years ago.  I also come from a home where my dad left at 8 months and have never seen or heard from him since...my mother also remarried when I was 2 and have called my step dad my Daddy since.  I hope and pray for this child that the mother finds someone who loves them both the way they need and deserve to be loved and I hope the Lord has mercy on the soul of that "man" who feels he has been " Had".  I am sure the moments of pleasure for the mother are not worth the cost of being in court with this " man ".  May the Lord judge show him the mercy that only He can give and convict that man of his sin.  Not only of the out of wedlock sex but no being able to accept the responsibility of what came out of his sin.  I pray for blessings for the mother and child and if its the Lords will may he reconcile this family to a loving and caring family it was intended to be in His word.  Enough preaching....
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:31 am PDT

I agree with Matt

Why should he be forced to take care of  a child that he was tricked into creating?  I know that I don't want children hence why I'm on the Pill but if for some reason that failed to protect me I can and would have an abortion regardless of my partners feelings.  I do not want to be a parent.  Seeing as he was very clear on the issue from the beginning he shouldn't have to contribute at all and shame on her for forcing him too.  She knew how he felt and still proceeded to have the child hence this child is her responsibility not his.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:31 am PDT

standing up for men

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Who are you kidding? You have some responsibility issues. HE....HE...HE... That is all you have spoken. What about her? If he did state he did not want to be a father, Why did SHE spread her legs?  We don't know the facts in this matter. But its not always HIS fault. What about the DEAD BEAT MOTHER?  And yes!! There are many many many.  I've talked to far to many women that I wish I could do something about. They suck money from the men, as much as possible and call them a dead beat father.  There is no difference between FATHER and DAD.  You must have a dictionary that was written by and angry repressed mother.    Equal Rights!!!!! This is what America is all about. But There are no equal rights when it comes to pregnancy.  People have sex for PLEASURE!  Ever hear of Adult Friend Finder?  What about ALT.com?  2 web sites huge on men and women that not necessarily want sex, but need it!  Many men and women require Release! I can tell you straight up, my wife knows when my personality is changing that it is a lack of intimacy. Intimacy that is needed for me to achieve release of hormones.  Now I'm sure you will say, just use your hand, its safer. Its not the same.  Do I believe a man should be responsible for his offspring? Yes! But I believe he has rights up to that point. He should not be required to spend a set amount of money to the mother of the child. The child should get the money. The money should go into a checking accoun for the child and child only.  Both parents should pay a percentage of their income. And it should get put back into the childs savings, college fund, whatever. But not directly given to the mother to spend as she sees fit. That is not equality of rights.  In this case on Dr. Phil, the gentlmen clearly stated to the woman he was not ready to be a father and would not be if she ever got pregnant. She apparently agreed that was fine. I've had girlfriends that old me they just wanted a baby and didnt care who the father was. They woudl take care of the kid. Then when she got pregnant by some random guy at a bar, she started calling him a dead beat father. He wasnt ready to be a father. She told him she didnt want to see him again and she just wanted a baby. Well when it came to wanting more money, suddenly all these female friends starting taunting her to go after that "Dead beat! that bastard.".... He got what he wanted, she got what she wanted. That was the agreement. The Verbal contract they made at the time. He has a right to not pay! But no. He gets little visitation and pay $750 a month to my friend. Who uses that money to get her nails done, got a new car, blows the money! That child has no college fund yet and he is now 3 yrs old. Thats not EQUAL RIGHTS!   Get over it!  Men need more Pregnancy Rights.

I know plenty of women who use their children to bleed money out of the fathers.  These are the women who live in welfare housing, drive a nicer car than I do, wear far 'nicer' clothes on themselves than I do, etc.  These are also the same women I hear denying these paying fathers their court-ordered visitation with their children, having their children calling other men "Dad" when the biological dad is already in the picture, and on and on.  These "poor" women like to paint themselves as the victims and like to say how much they need the money.  Well, it's just that...money, money, money.  So for anyone to say that this man is just trying to protect his money, maybe they should take a good listen to the women around them!  Yes, men and women's roles in our society are different, but to suggest that this man is just trying to cheat his child out of money is silly.  How many mothers receiving child support use the money for the CHILD?  How many use it on electric bills, food bills, heating bills, college savings, etc?  And how many are spending that money of overpriced clothing, manicures, and eating out?  Neither sex is perfect.  There are dead beat dads AND dead beat moms.  We just turn our heads and pretend that it's only a man's fault. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:32 am PDT

Equal Rights

I fully agree with the young man.  Any woman can have casual sex ... protected or not,  and know   

that if she conceives she has choices.  A man does not.  If he father's a child and the mother   

chooses to abort it .... he has no say in the matter, essentially no rights........... so,  why should   

he automatically have to accept responsiblily if she chooses to keep a child he would prefer to not   

be born.   

If the man is in a commited relationship or marriage that's a whole different ball game.  Once he   

commits to that woman then there is expressed responsibility for children conceived in that    

relationship.    

When the government legalized abortion it was all about women's choices ... we need  

legislature NOW to protect mens rights and choices as well..........  

   

 
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