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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 8:32 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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The day a woman can biologically concieve without "something a man produces from his body" being used, is the day a man does not have a choice. 

  

God sets a standard.  That standard is abstinance until married.   This is the only protection we need.   When you cross that line, you are making a choice, and consequences follow.  This man needs to stand up and take responsibility for his actions.
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:32 am PDT

Be responsible for your own actions.

The young man who wants to sue his "girlfriend," because she told him she couldn't get pregnant, is obviously immature.  Whenever anyone engages in sexual intgercourse there is always a possibility that it may result in a pregnancy.   He is just as responsible for the pregnancy as she is.  Even if he didn't want a baby, he needs to consider feelings;  the feelings of the baby as well as the feelings of the mother and his own feelings.     He cannot now change the fact lof the pregnancy and the new human life that he has helped to bring into the world.   The best thing he can  do is to try to fully realize that this new baby IS a part of him, and give his natural fatherly instincts a chance to develop.   He can become a good father to his child by giving his love to the child.   This can overcome most of the negative aspects that he so intensely expresses.  I sincerely hopes he wakes up and develops the maturity that he seems to lack at this time. 

  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:33 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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As a man who is currently watching this show, I was so disgusted with this individual that I had to register and post a message to discuss.   I am sickened to my stomach at how much of a selfish, gutless, heartless individual he really is.   The choice was his, TO NOT HAVE SEX with this individual.   He helped bring this child into the world, now do your part and support this child.  That is the problem with our system - Not happy,  oh, let's file a lawsuit.   What a complete joke.  Men are all not like this individual - some of us accept the consequences of our actions, we do not run and claim "no fair, I didn't have a choice".      He hasn't even held that baby girl - He doesn't want to be a father right now - then don't have sex.    

  

I hope that a judge will hear this claim and laugh - but, probably not.  That is the sad part and this girl will grow up and know how her father viewed her.  That is just sad...  Totally selfish.  I do agree, he is right - he is in no way ready to be a father.    If I were a judge, I would rule that this thing should not be allowed to ever father a child.   

wow there are good men out there like you!!!!!!! 

thank god!!!!! theres hope for us millions of women yet!!! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:34 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Nobody is saying that woman is the victim in this situation.  The BABY (aka: innocent child, person who needs parents to love, raise, and nurture her, etc.) is the victim.  If he was so naive to believe that, then okay, fine.  He is still the father.  And what if she honestly believed she couldn't have kids???? We have all heard stories of people with their tubes tied and everything else who end up pregnant.  So, by your point, she didn't wait until she got married, but that doesn't change the fact that she got pregnant, and she didn't do it alone.  So, maybe he should learn that their are alternate methods that he can use to take care of his needs that don't involve someone he might impregnate until he's ready to get married and have kids as well.   

But back to the victim, the baby is the one who is not at fault here, and he needs to get over himself and do what's right.  However, if she had a choice in who her parents are, I'm sure she could do with out the lame 'boy' who can't step up to the plate because he isn't ready yet.  He doesn't deserve her!!! 

I don't believe that Elizabeth is trying to act like a victim.  Unfortunatley, she is only one of the many many single mothers out there who is faced with the possibility that she may have chosen a man who turned out to be a "dead beat dad"!  Let's face it, that's all Matt is!  A "man" trying to shirk his responsiblities!  No Surprise!  The only difference between him and all the other bad fathers in this country is that he seems to think that he has found some sort of legal loophole to get him out of having to pay for his child.   

I think that it is absolutley amazing  that Elizabeth is handling this as well as she is.  She is so far above Matt that she does not even feel that his lawsuit deserves her time and energy.  Instead, she has chosen to devote that time and energy to raising the beautiful child that she has.   

And as for Matt saying that he may have wanted to give the child up for adoption or would have wanted his girlfriend to have an abortion,  just because that was what HE wanted to do, still doesn't mean that that was what SHE would have wanted!  He doesn't get to make the decision for both of them either! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:34 am PDT

Men should have same rights as Woman!!

I'm so happy that mr. matt is fighting his case.To many woman are getting away with not taking responsibility for themselfs. If the man does not want a baby & the girl does, & they are going to be intimate,  then she should be held responsible if she wants the baby, same goes for him, if she did not want the baby & he did. She already Knew he did not want a baby, or find a mate who is willing to abide the same as you..She's at fault for satisfying her own needs when she  knew mr. matt did not want a baby.I'm am %100 percent behind him!!!   

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:34 am PDT

Step up to plate

 I am a young mother.  I will soon be 21 and I have a 4 year old.  I really feel for this girl.  My boyfriend didn't take allot of responsibility at first and it really hurt. I can't imagine what I would have done if he would have done what this young man is doing.  A mans control is by not having sex or wearing a condom.  I think we have the right to abortion and adoption.  Our bodies change and our lives change dramatically (especially for young girls).   We get to feel this life growing inside of us.  But when it comes to the young men stepping up to plate it's allot different.  Usually they can go and do as they please.  But this young man is a shock.  To totally deny that you don't have to support your baby in anyway just because your not ready is wrong.  There are allot of people that go through unplanned pregnancy and none of them go quite this far.  All my hopes go out to this girl  and her beautiful baby.  I pray that she wins because if she doesn't this will be the card that all young  men play in the future to come. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:34 am PDT

Baby wars

This is one of Matt's statements: 

  

"Forcing me to be a father financially, mentally, and physically is definitely not something that I feel is fair," Matt says. 

  

 Was he raped?  He says that he was forced!!  So Lauren made him have sex with her? LOL  This kid got caught and is throwing a temper tantrum.  Poor Matt.  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:37 am PDT

Dissolution of Rights???

Quote From: momofone11

what  a cry baby!! Yeah, women have the "choice", after the fact to keep or raise!! No one held a gun to his head and said,"have UNprotected sex with me or  I'll shoot!!! Oh  yeah Dr. Phil needs to inform this jerk, that if he don't want to pay child support there is a form he can sign called release of parental rights!!! Nothing to but to do-right. Hop to dead beat dad!!

Hate to tell you but in order for a man or woman to dissolve their rights as a parent then BOTH parents must be willing to either put the child up for adoption or a step-parent is in place ready to step in and adopt that child but most importantly... 

  

Why is it that a man is allowed to have his fun, let his eyes roll in the back of his head from ejaculation pleasure due to unprotected sex because they want the au' natural feeling of intimacy and then when a child is produced they want to yell "I never wanted kids, I never wanted to be a father".   

  

That's bullcrap!!!  A man can get a vasectomy but so many of them don't because they're stupid enough to think that it will affect their ability to perform as well as affect their manhood.  It's easy for society (BOTH) men and women (those who get involved with the man crying the baby blues and they want to stick by their man, until he does the same to them of course) that the woman is held totally responsible and if she doesn't have the same belief or choice as the man then she's in the wrong. 

  

This world has crippled men and that is why they are not men anymore they are leaches, donors, fly-by-nights but they are not MEN!  Men with true manhood existed 50 years ago, they are extinct to date and that is why more and more you see men with men for intimacy and women with women for intimacy because the value and respect for family and relationships has DIED and will never exist again! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 8:39 am PDT

Baby Wars

Quote From: hisword

God sets a standard.  That standard is abstinance until married.   This is the only protection we need.   When you cross that line, you are making a choice, and consequences follow.  This man needs to stand up and take responsibility for his actions.
Amen to that!!! With EVERY choice in life there are consequences and all these boys need to stop their crying and grow up be a man and be part of teaching their child about CHOICES and CONSEQUENCES.
 
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April 21, 2006, 8:40 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: brainz1980

Who are you kidding? You have some responsibility issues. HE....HE...HE... That is all you have spoken. What about her? If he did state he did not want to be a father, Why did SHE spread her legs?  We don't know the facts in this matter. But its not always HIS fault. What about the DEAD BEAT MOTHER?  And yes!! There are many many many.  I've talked to far to many women that I wish I could do something about. They suck money from the men, as much as possible and call them a dead beat father.  There is no difference between FATHER and DAD.  You must have a dictionary that was written by and angry repressed mother.    Equal Rights!!!!! This is what America is all about. But There are no equal rights when it comes to pregnancy.  People have sex for PLEASURE!  Ever hear of Adult Friend Finder?  What about ALT.com?  2 web sites huge on men and women that not necessarily want sex, but need it!  Many men and women require Release! I can tell you straight up, my wife knows when my personality is changing that it is a lack of intimacy. Intimacy that is needed for me to achieve release of hormones.  Now I'm sure you will say, just use your hand, its safer. Its not the same.  Do I believe a man should be responsible for his offspring? Yes! But I believe he has rights up to that point. He should not be required to spend a set amount of money to the mother of the child. The child should get the money. The money should go into a checking accoun for the child and child only.  Both parents should pay a percentage of their income. And it should get put back into the childs savings, college fund, whatever. But not directly given to the mother to spend as she sees fit. That is not equality of rights.  In this case on Dr. Phil, the gentlmen clearly stated to the woman he was not ready to be a father and would not be if she ever got pregnant. She apparently agreed that was fine. I've had girlfriends that old me they just wanted a baby and didnt care who the father was. They woudl take care of the kid. Then when she got pregnant by some random guy at a bar, she started calling him a dead beat father. He wasnt ready to be a father. She told him she didnt want to see him again and she just wanted a baby. Well when it came to wanting more money, suddenly all these female friends starting taunting her to go after that "Dead beat! that bastard.".... He got what he wanted, she got what she wanted. That was the agreement. The Verbal contract they made at the time. He has a right to not pay! But no. He gets little visitation and pay $750 a month to my friend. Who uses that money to get her nails done, got a new car, blows the money! That child has no college fund yet and he is now 3 yrs old. Thats not EQUAL RIGHTS!   Get over it!  Men need more Pregnancy Rights.
After reading your  reply, I will agree that there are a lot of dead bet mothers out there also.  I also agree with you that masturbation is NOT as good as sex.  I will be the first to admit that!  I will also have to say that a percentage of the income thing is a great idea.  BUT I also know there are a lot of other cost to having children then just a college fund.  What about the cost of day care, school fees, school cloths, etc, etc, etc?  Do you know where that money will come from?  Out of our pockets!  And if he didn't want children he should never have left the birth control in her hands.  Women can be deceitful, and he should have never trusted her with such a thing!  I know if I were a man I would have never trusted a women to do so!  And I can tell you that I am from a broke family, my father didn't want anything to do with my brother and I until we were able to take care of ourselfs.  And I can tell you that there is a HUGE difference in a FATHER and a DAD!  A dad is there for there children, takes them to the park, helps them with home work, consoles them when they are hurt, I could go on for hours.  A father to me on the other hand is merely a SPERM DONOR!  You might not see it that way but I personally do!  That's what's so great about out country, YOU DON"T HAVE TO AGREE WITH ME!
 
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