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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 9:28 am PDT

Responsibilty

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Since were talking about "what if the woman tricked him", just  thought of what others think to this (Just a conservation piece  :)  ).   

What if a guy wanted a baby (Yes, he'll do most of the work after the kid is born) and the woman made it clear she didn't.  He poked holes in his condom to get her pregnant so he can have his kid.  Should the mom be able to choose not to give him the child at all or should she have to pay because she wasn't on birth control?  (Just making a topic, not arguing.  I don't make enemies  :)  ).   

   

As for the guy protesting in the tent, I'd like to see that story   :).   

Hi there to answer your question for me would be the same as many others.......If they chose to have intercourse and he poked holes in the condom then she should be willing to accept the pregnancy. The reason I say this is because I firmly belive in having just 1 partner as God wanted us to have (your soul mate) and if they get pregnant then accept it. The only way I agree with abortion is if its rape or family rape.........Other then that if God chose that this is it you're having a child then be ready for the conseqence of having intercourse in the 1st place.....
 
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April 21, 2006, 9:28 am PDT

Children having children

   

   

  It is quite obvious that Matt was not mature enough to deal with the consequences of his actions and I am inclined to believe that he stated such in the beginning of the relationship. Also, I am  curious as to how many months/years the couple courted before giving birth to Elizabeth. Furthermore, whether or not the mother misrepresented herself (which is speculative) does not change the fact that a life was created as a result of their union.    

   

  The flaw may not be entirely that of a missing condomn, but in fact an issue of trust and understanding. Had the couple built a stronger alliance between them, then perhaps the surprise pregnancy could have been celebrated and not debated.   

   

  Personally, I emphathize with the young man in terms of his reasons for denial, however, as a mother, I firmly believe it is in the best interest of Elizabeth that each parent take responsibility for her presence. Whether or not the birth was intended is irrelevant now, it has happened, and so onward the mature parties should move. If Matt chooses to debate, aurgue and reject his biological offspring, then it is Elizabeth who will hurt in the end. Tragically, this is the unfair challenge that is not well deserved.   

   

   

Reality check vrs the "Oops" factor   

   

  Each day millions of us get into our cars sober and buckle up. Sadly, some of us will loose control of our vehicles (or be struck) and an accident will occur.  For the rest of us , we will continue on about our day making decisions we feel are most appropriate for the moment. Collectively, we are changed beings whether of not we influence the change or if we were affected by circumstance. In the end, it is the thing that we call life. In life, we all have responsibilties and actions that we must be accoutable for, this situation is not exempt from its reality. Accepting responsibility, moving forward and personal growth are all elements of maturity. Sadly, many people continue to lead adult lifestyles but refuse to accept the adult consequences.   

   

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 9:28 am PDT

You're my mom

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 I think it is a bunch of bull I mean if you don't want to be a father see if the girl will make a exception? I mean I have a two year old son who's father is not in the picture at all I told him that i want nothing to do with him or my son and if he leaves us alone i wont go for child support. i haven't heard from him in 2 years. I like it like this i prefer for him and his bad ways to be as far away from my son.

My mom did the same thing, and she didn't file on my Dad and he only came by once a year or less. she talked very badly about him all my childhood. But this is not good. The children will feel that a part of their sorry father is in them. Or, even if you don't do the bad talking, they will always feel an empty hole in themselves when they see fathers with their kids. There's no way to keep them from seeing that unless you move to the moon. 

  Now my Dad sees me and my younger brother on friendly terms, but none of us can patch those years in there. He wasn't our Dad. He only sired us. I think he felt so bad about himself that he thought we were better off without him. Maybe we were. But if your kid's Dad is a pretty decent person, you could let him see them from time to time and still not file. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 9:31 am PDT

Men and Women alike should take responsibilty

I dont think this is a war of the sexes. I think that placing all the blame on her is outragous. Same as placing blame on him. Both where having sex. She was on the pill or told she could not have kids. Either way. He should not have takin her at just her word if he did not want to risk being a father. If someone tells you if you jump off this building and it like 200 feet in the air and there concerte blow you. Are you going to take there word for it and jump. If I where the mother I would not want his money or anything else for that matter. I say let him give up his rights he is not worthy of that beautiful little girl. Besides do you want your daugther to grow up dodging responsiblty. Cause thats obviously all this man could teach her. Thank your lucky stars he does not want to be apart of her life. A women can do it on her on if she trys. I know I did. I did not go after my x for support. We both provide for our children when there with us.  I just think that the posting letting him off is absurd. Because he did nothing to try to prevent the pregancy.  Making coments like she should have not spread her legs, she lied. So what if she did lie. Would it have affected him if he had wore a condom or not took her at her word alone. People lie everyday its not a big secert.  These days you come to expect lies. So take responsibilty for your actions. Dont rely on some one else.
 
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April 21, 2006, 9:31 am PDT

Grow up, Matt

 In response to Matt's court contest to avoid being responsible for his child...If you play, you pay, is the first ting that comes to mind.  Did his parents plan the moment he was to be brought into this life? Grow up, set an example for solid moral values and most of all , be a man.
 
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April 21, 2006, 9:34 am PDT

Children having children

   

  It is quite obvious that Matt was not mature enough to deal with the consequences of his actions and I am inclined to believe that he stated such in the beginning of the relationship. Also, I am  curious as to how many months/years the couple courted before giving birth to  Elizabeth. Furthermore, whether or not the mother misrepresented herself (which is speculative) does not change the fact that a life was created as a result of their union.  

   

  

    The flaw may not be entirely that of a missing condom, but in fact an issue of trust and understanding. Had the couple built a stronger alliance between them, then perhaps the surprise pregnancy could have been celebrated and not debated. 

    

 Personally, I empathize with the young man in terms of his reasons for denial, however, as a mother; I firmly believe it is in the best interest of Elizabeththat each parent take responsibility for her presence. Whether or not the birth was intended is irrelevant now, it has happened, and so onward the mature parties should move. If Matt chooses to debate, argue and reject his biological offspring, then it is Elizabeth who will hurt in the end. Tragically, this is the unfair challenge that is not well deserved.    

 

   

 Reality check vrs the "Oops" factor 

    

  Each day millions of us get into our cars sober and buckle up. Sadly, some of us will loose control of our vehicles (or be struck) and an accident will occur.  For the rest of us , we will continue on about our day making decisions we feel are most appropriate for the moment. Collectively, we are changed beings whether of not we influence the change or if we were affected by circumstance. In the end, it is the thing that we call life. In life, we all have responsibilities and actions that we must be accountable for; this situation is not exempt from its reality. Accepting responsibility, moving forward and personal growth are all elements of maturity. Sadly, many people continue to lead adult lifestyles but refuse to accept the adult consequences. 

   

 

   

 

   

 

   

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 9:34 am PDT

Discusted

Dear Dr. Phil, 

  

I cannot believe that guy!  Not wanting to claim his biological child.  I hope to god that this case gets laughed out of court.  I  can't believe him.  I also feel he has negative influences around him...deterring him from even holding that baby.  There was just something in his eyes that made me think...if he held that baby & spent a day or few hours with the baby... he may think otherwise about his flesh & blood.  Resentment of the babies mother seems to play a role in his actions. 

  

  

P.S. What is this world coming to.  Our society makes me not to have a child...even though I would be a good mother.  It's sad! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 9:35 am PDT

After Reading about what matt said

 What a moron.  I do not for a moment think it is that he is not ready for childhood.  It is about that 500 bucks a month he does not want to pay.  I feel so sorry for that baby.  She will find out that this creep did not want her - did not acknowledge that he was the father because of this idiotic thing.  And I fear for her mental and emotional health.  I hope the mother backs off and finds herself a man that loves her and her baby without exception and tells Matt to take his 500 bucks and stuff it.
 
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April 21, 2006, 9:39 am PDT

Matt denies responsibility

It seems to me that Matt opened his mouth and lost his case.  Matt said to Dr. Phil that a condom also isn't always reliable.  True.  Since he knew when he had sex with his girlfriend that a condom wasn't 100% effective and he absolutely did not want to be a father at that time, perhaps he shouldn't have had sex with his girlfriend.  Her claim that she was on birth control and also could not get pregnant has little relevance if you believe him when he says that he was clear about not wanting to have a child.  They both assumed the risk of pregnancy when they had consentual sex.
 

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April 21, 2006, 9:39 am PDT

Men should have rights too!!

Matt has a right to not be lied too. She told him she could not get pregnant. He took her at her word. She knew that he did not want to be a father at that time. So she also had a responsibility that if there was a minute possibility that she could get pregnant that she should had insisted that he wear a condom.   

   

My husband lived with that same lie. She said she couldn't get pregnant. She did and he married her to do the right thing......three children were born. He loves his kids and supports them. The youngest will be 17 in Aug.    

She left him for another man after 10 years of marriage...and left all three kids with him for 3 years. Then she took the youngest one. Never paid any child support for the two oldest. My husband pay child support for the youngest. This has gone on for the last 9 years.   

He was taken to the cleaners..........she is on easy street.   

   

I have never had children because I did have a medical condition that prevented me fom it. It has resulted in a Hysteroctomy.   

   

I believe a lot of women get pregnent to "hook" the man. She has all the power!   

   

I hope Matt wins his case.....but I fear he will not. That will be a sad day for men.  

 
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