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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm

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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep? Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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purplepain

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April 21, 2006, 11:04 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

I just wanted to say that after some thought on this topic since yesterday I have changed my mind.

YES a woman does need to responsible for birth control, she needs to be even MORE careful then a man because after all, it is her uterus and her body that will be going through pregnancy and birth.

BUT men do need to be responsible for their sperm. Even if this woman said she is infertile and lied, he is still responsible for what resulted from his sperm.

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keith_orn

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April 21, 2006, 11:05 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Why couldn't he work 6 days a week in CA to pay for his living expenses just like he does in Florida? Is the economic situation so different in the two states?

Sure it is ! That is why she moved to CA. That is one state that puts a woman on welfare and as long as the woman keep having kids they have an income where as for a guy to live there rent is high yet the income doesn't come close to living expense. I have looked into helping him move there but once again the state of CA because she is now a resident has given all rights to her. My son has now developed the attitude that when the time comes his son will understand what she has done just as my son now understands what part his mother did to prevent a relationship as father and son. Like my son's mother did to him. The mother of his son will have to answer for her actions and explain why he was not allowed to see his father. What goes around comes around! It hurts me to see this happen but like I said before, this is what happens when children have children.

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groovy

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April 21, 2006, 11:05 am PDT

Amen!

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Any man who does not want to be a father should:

a. Keep it in his pants

b. Get a vascetomy

c. Keep it in his pants AND get a vascetomy!

Another option:

d. Get a vasectomy & wear a condom

But I especially like option C. :-)

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brittim

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April 21, 2006, 11:08 am PDT

the guy who doesnt want his kid

that is messed up i am a father of three and im only 23 for a man not to want a kid who he sat the girl down and slept with knowing the chances is bull that isnt a man at all its a little boy that tickes me off my kids are my world i think they need to nail him to a wall he isnt a man at all he is just a real big jerk how dare he sit there and say its not his responsibility he layed down with her he helped create the kid he needs to take care of it they need to hit him for the max money possible to teach his butt a lesson if you ask me he is a low life peice of crap god that makes me sooo angry

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lieven

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April 21, 2006, 11:09 am PDT

Sexist Women Demand Men Do It All...

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If you do not want children-then take care of yourself and not with condoms, birth control pills etc---they are less than 100% effective. Men can get a vascetomy.period.no excuse. They are even reversible. And make sure to go to the second, follow-up appointment to make sure it worked! If a man does not want children, then this is the step he needs to take. Maybe there would no longer be unsupported kids in our nation.

Ah yes, the old " babies pop out of men's penises " moron claim. Its always telling that

such morons demand that men do all the work, heaven forfend we tell a woman to be *responsible* for *her own reproductive systems*.

Please take Biology 101 again. You will find that men DON'T have babies. Now, take

Civics 101 again. You will find that ONLY women get POST-coital choices by which to

change what happened at the time of sex. Including ones that are NOT biological and

are NOT medical ones. Men can just as easily use such LEGAL choices.

Only man hating sexism, like yours, prevents men from having *equal rights*.

BTW: " Women can get a tubal. No excuse ". Turn about is fair play.

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! "

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rdebaar

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April 21, 2006, 11:12 am PDT

A male not wanting to be responsible...

Not a surprise... The problem with what he is doing is one the biggest loser in this is the child. It is not that babies fault it was brought into this world, she didn't decide to have unprotected sex. Two, it just tells all the losers out there that they don't have to be responsible, they can do what ever they want and not have any consequences. Also, I think the woman that keeps her baby has no choice but to be responsible, why should the guy get to be able to get out legally. If no one is held responsible for these children where will they go, how will take care of them, what if mom wants out to who then is responsible for putting it up for adoption? There are just to many problems that would come out of this. Most of the time when a baby is born out of wedlock the only thing the father is held legally to do is pay child support and visit whenever they feel like it. Even in a married, planned situation the female is the one getting up all night, doing most of the feedings, and the one running to school or the babysitters. So, I don't have much compassion for this guy... Accidents happen and if you aren't ready to deal with that then you shouldn't be having sex, especially unprotected.

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groovy

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April 21, 2006, 11:13 am PDT

Pot calling the kettle black

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Thank you for expressing your view that women should have NO post-coital choices, either !

After all, women already have " protection, absinence or just go get fixed ". If thats enough for men,

then its... *enough for women too*... Thats, like... equality.

It takes a moron to deny all the special, women-ONLY POST-coital choices that women get.

Men are not just walking wallets. If you want men to be there, then give men the SAME choice to

say " yes, I intended to become a father with you ". To demand men have no rights, only responsibilities, is to show that such people view men as 2nd class people.

Thats misandrous sexist bigotry, of course...

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! "

So anyone who disagrees with you is a "misandrous sexist bigot."

Three rules of this world:

1. People are animals.

2. People are stupid.

3. Life's not fair.

Life's not fair. Get over it. Only women have menstrual cramps or morning sickness. Life's not fair. IF you don't want to father a child, keep your pants on, get fixed or both. Gee, what a surprize that the sex act can result in a baby! If you father a child it's your responsibility to pay child support. End of story.

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filiagape

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April 21, 2006, 11:14 am PDT

hypocrites

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Another option:

d. Get a vasectomy & wear a condom

But I especially like option C. :-)

The problem with your point of view is that the law doesn't say this same thing to women.

Women can spread their legs, get knocked up, and still get a second chance at making their "choice," presumably because the "feminist" decisions that allowed abortion claim, implicitly, that we're incapable of the forethought necessary to predict the consequences of our actions. It's offensive, really, for men and for women.

As a woman, as a feminist, I agree with this man.

Men should be able to force abortion on women if they can force abortion on men.

Men should be able to refuse child support if women force children on men.

End of discussion.

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cyc530

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April 21, 2006, 11:16 am PDT

baby wars

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They're also known as " dumpster baby laws ", where over 40 states now allow any woman with a

new born baby to go to a designated drop off place ( Usually a police or fire station or a hospital )

to drop off their baby, with no questions asked, no names taken, and... no responsibility, ever,

fiscal or otherwise, for that legally abandoned baby.

So, to say that a woman who doesn't want to use her legal right to abort a child is as stuck as

a guy, is simply wrong. Women have that post coital, post birth legal right to *void* ALL of their

parental responsibilities, and more ( See " Legal Adopt Out Laws ", too ), while men have...

ZILCH.

My point is that if we are serious about real equality, then men should have the same kinds of

*legal, non-medical and non-biological* rights to say " no " that we so freely now give women.

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! "

Are you seriously that ignorant to not only yourself but the world around you ? Are you a father? until you are you have no say in this matter it DOES NOT pertain to you! AND just in case you may have forgotten, Men can and do have the right to sign away their parental responsibilities if they are cowards. You talk about equality, and men being so strong, yet they can't stand up to the plate and support their kids??? Another point I would like to make is, all this talk about our rights and the "world" we live in and our "future" if it weren't for your mother and all the other mothers of the world strong enough to take responsibility for their actions there would be no "future" no "world" no "rights"!! These KIDS are our future. and who are we, not to support, nurture, love, teach, and protect our FUTURE??

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semoore5

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April 21, 2006, 11:16 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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If she really needed six *months* to find out that she was pregnant, then shes too dumb to care

for a child. Regardless of that, she still had LEGAL rights by which to VOID all her parental

responsibilities which Matt was *denied*. Thats sexism, and its bigotry, plain and simple.

" So she was down to two. " He was *always* " down to ZERO ". Sould like you didn't do

*that *math !

If she " can handle it ", let her do so on the same basis as her choice was: 100% HERS.

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! "

She had just as much responsibility as he to say "NO CONDOM....NO SEX". Responsibility is the KEY word here. If everyone took responsibility for their actions, it would be a far better world.

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