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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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July 6, 2006, 3:29 pm PDT

Do The Crime, Do The Time

 Wow, I can't believe this guy is really trying to get out of this!! If you're responsible enough to have sex, which is FOR MARRIAGE ONLY, then you better be responsible enough to take care of a kid. Sex leads to kids people!! Hello!! He's just a dead beat boy that doesn't want responsibitiy and thinks only of himself. How selfish! He can put all his money into his lawyer but not to his child? Thats messed up!
 
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July 6, 2006, 3:29 pm PDT

Matt - Get with Reality

Matt -- When did expects the courts to fair between the sexes???? 

  

I am female.  If I go ouside w/o top and bra, I'll get hauled off for indecent exposure.  If you do it, it's okay.  Fair???  I think not. 

  

However it came about, you fathered a child.  Now, step up to the plate and be the father you'd want and need if you were a helpless, innocent baby. 

  

Forget "fair".  Be the person your child needs you to be.   

  

If you want "fair", think about what's fair for your own child. 

  

Emoting, Kay  

 
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July 6, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

Unbelievable

Hi Dr. Phil,  

   

I am just so surprised that this guy is denying his child when he had unprotected sex and is the father of this poor innocent child.  What is he going to tell his daughter later in life?  "Oh honey, your mom made me have sex with her and we accidentally created you and I didn't want to pay for you or take responsiblity." !!????  I'm sorry, but this guys is a LOSER.  How would he feel if his own father did the same thing?  Where do these people come from?  

   

Thanks for reading.   

   

Kellie  

 
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July 6, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

Fathers rights problamatic

  

  

First of all I think it is ridiculous for anyone to say in any circumstance that they did not have "consensual" sex unless they were raped. EVERY time you have sex, whether protected or not, you as a man or a woman run the risk of creating a child/pregnancy.  

   I see this young mans point and the lawyers point about men not having the same rights as woman once the child has been conceived. The issue about men having rights, however is that the pregnancy exixts inside the womans body and how can a man force a woman to have procedures or not have procedures in order to satisfy HIS rights. America has already voted that a pregnancy is not a child and whether you believe or support  that or not (I personally am antiabortion) you can't have it both ways where a woman has rights over her own pregnant body but then when the man does not want the child he can choose to end the pregnancy. What happens when the woman wants to end the pregnancy and the man is asserting his right to see the pregnancy through. This is in conflict with the current laws about woman and the right to govern what goes on inside their bodies.  

    I think that these mens arguments are with God and nature who have determined that the female in the species will carry the child. When they can carry a child then I think the playing field could potentially be leveled.  I predict a cold day in hell when that happens. 

 
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July 6, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

responsibilty

Let's just say that she WAS being honest and WAS on the pill even though she had been told she could not conceive (we all know this isn't fool proof).  When you get pregnant, as a women you don't have the choice to 'abandon' the baby as a father does.  Yes, she could have had an abortion or given her up for adoption but what if these were against her values or beliefs.   

  

While watching the show all I could think of was how immature he sounded.  Even people that are married sometimes have surprise babies, at a time that might not be 'ideal.'  Is it fair that a man should just be able to walk away from responsibility? He wanted the sex didn't he? Maybe he should go back to grade 5 human sexuality? 

 
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July 6, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

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Frankly I'm quite concerned by the number of women who state Matt's responsibility as being financial, as in "I hope he has to pay child support until this girl is eighteen".   

Nobody seems to mention emotional support for the baby. It's sad when a father's singular role in the family is to provide cash.   

Perhaps if the custodial parents had to account for the way child support money is spent, there would be less emphasis on it.  

Just observations...  

He is the one who did not want this child not her so it is up to him to wear the protection or not have sex at all.  He made the choice to not wear a condom so therefore he made the choice to have a child and then take no responsibility whatsover!
 
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July 6, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

Men do Have Choices!

 I think men do have choices in this matter. They are not the same as the choices women have but indeed they do have choices. We all know how babies are made and we all know that birh control in any form, condomsor the pill or any other method, is not always completely reliable. A man has a choice if he does not want to have a child he should either not have sex or have sex with all protection available to him and accept whatever comes of it or have the dreaded operation that will prevent him from making babies. Awoman does get to chose what happens with the child once it is conceived. But that is because its growing in her body. If he does not want to pay then he should not play.
 
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July 6, 2006, 3:30 pm PDT

Responsibility

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Dear Dr. Phil,  

   

     I was Seeing this girl for about 2 months when I found out she was married.  After that I basically stopped hanging around her at all.  About a month and a half later she told me she was pregnant after telling me before she couldn't get pregnant.  I was taken aback to say the least.  We talked and she told me she wanted nothing from me and that I was a sperm donor to get her out of her marriage.  I wrote a letter renouncing my rights to the child and 3months later moved to Florida in October.  The child was born in the middle of October and I heard nothing from the mother.  3 years later I met my wife and it was like a whirlwind romance.  In  3-4 months we were setting a date for our wedding the next year.  A couple of months after that I got a letter in the mail stating that I owed child support from the day he was born.  Upon more research I found that my name had been signed to the birth certificate and my DL# given as ID.  I then wrote a letter to the state and brought this to their attention and they quickly closed the case.  A year later I received another letter court ordering me to pay child support to which I found that not only had the county changed but that this paperwork had been filed by the baby's grandmother stated that she had custody.  I then found out that while this was going on that the mother and child were living in a different state.  I wrote the state again and they closed the case again.  I heard nothing until 4 years ago when I broke my leg and was bedridden for 10 months.  My wife and I had to declare bankruptcy.  At the bankruptcy the state of Florida served me with papers stating that they were taking over the case.  When I tried to talk to them about the case closings they told me I had to contact the original state to handle it.  Now, to date I have never seen this child nor have I ever talked to this child.  Everything was fine until word got back to her that I was getting married.  I don't understand this sort of behavior.  I did what was asked of me yet I have no rights in the matter.  All this because a woman had a child told me I meant nothing and wanted nothing from me and now has the right to do whatever she feels.  Numerous times she has called me and asked if she could send paperwork for me to sign allowing her new husband to adopt to which I agree only to then send more child support paperwork to me.  I am now waiting until this child turns 14 to go to court against her once and for all.  How fair is it that the state keeps tabs on the father for child support issues yet the mother can move from state to state answering to no one.  I have never been given a telephone number or address to properly deal with her as adults only on her terms and her conditions.  I do not doubt the validity of this child being mine nor do I shirk the responsibility but I had to draw the line somewhere.  She will not let me see him, talk to him, or have any contact with him.  Yet,  she wants me to pay and allow her to badmouth me to the child.    

   

   

Signed,  

   

At Wits End  

I think the mother shoud be held just as responsible as the father.   Both decided to have sex.  Despite the fact that this woman abused this man's  trust, they both knew that sex sometimes produces babies.  That poor child.  How would you feel if neither of your parents wanted to have anything to do with you?  No one seems to think about the children.  They cannot choose to be brought or taken from this world.  Their lives are in their parents hands.  What an awesome responsiblity.  Sex is a gift from God between Husband and Wife.  Some married couples aren't ready to have children, but at least within that union there is supposed to be some chance for an unexpected child to be loved as the gift from God that they are meant to be.  Children are a gift that can only be truly appreciated by a husband and wife that love eachother unconditionally.  I wish people would stop and think about how they would feel if they were that unwanted child.  An unwanted gift of God is still a gift.  I hope the people in these children's lives appreciate the gif they've been given in a child.
 
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July 6, 2006, 3:31 pm PDT

Don't have sex!

If you are having sex, there is always a chance that you could have a child!  I do, however, agree that women DO get to make all of the decisions concerning the pregnancy,  but it equals out I guess seeming as how in most cases, the women are the ones that are with the children and raising them in most instances!  However if this guy doesn't want to be a father I guess it is probably in the childs best interest that he not be around!  But the bottom line is if you don't want the responsibility of taking care of your kids...DON'T HAVE SEX!!!  It's as simple as that!  Or as someone suggested earlier have an operation!!!!!
 
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July 6, 2006, 3:31 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

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I wonder how nice it would be if cancer patients could say.. "Gee.. you know what.. now that I think of it.. I don't WANT cancer" , and it would go away? 

What about people with roaches in their houses.. they don't want them.. yet .. there they are.. 

And how about all those bug bites we get when we go outdoors.. I don't want them.. do you?? Hey.. maybe if we can all be delusional.. you know.. collectively.. maybe.. just maybe.. all the scary realities will just.. go away.  

First of all, cancer is a totally different story.  If a woman wants to keep the baby, fine, but don't expect the man to clean up your mess.  Maybe you should have taken responsibility before you got pregnant.  After all, you are the one stuck with a child, right? That's why you want money.  Someone brought those roaches in.  Maybe the homeowner isn't a good housekeeper.  Ya, think?    FYI:  I'm a woman with two children.   If the woman can choose to keep the child, why can't the man choose not too?  Forcing someone to be a father is not a good dad.   it's simply a money factory.  It's about the money.  Women who have children out of wedlock actually prefer to keep the men out of their lives, it's easier and cleaner.  They just want the money. 
 
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