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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 1:54 am PDT

Sanctity of Marriage

My guess is that my opinion will not be popular.  See...  I'm glad to FINALLY see the male come out with the opposing argument on parental responsibilities.   I don't think women should have those "choices" either!  It is HUGE to point out that you made your "choice" when you engaged in a sexual relationship outside of marriage.  Consequences are welcomed when embraced in the ultimate moral setting given to us by our Creator.  When, as rebellious children, we go outside that moral box...  then the selfish side kicks in... they want their rights!  It is unfortunate those "rights" are taken out on the vulnerable unborn child!  I love the bumper sticker that reads "Your Mom Chose Life"!  Start living your life with a moral compass and stop putting sex as the compass needle and your rights will be plentifully blessed!  Have some self-control instead of birth control!
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:57 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Uh, hold on there stupormom.   Divorced or unmarried men like Matt Dubay are on the hook for 18+ years of child support when a woman has a kid.  How the heck do you think a man comes up with $500 per month for 18 years?  Here a clue -- he uses his BODY to earn that money.   If he refuses, off to jail!

Women, on the other hand, have completed their physical burden after 9 months.  Let's see, 9 months vs. 18 years -- who's got the greater burden?  Who bears greater consequences?

Women get the choices, men get the responsibilities, and that's just how the women want to keep things.  It's about time somebody stood up for equal reproductive rights for men!

Uh, I think you're the one who needs to "hold on there".  What Mom do you know who is completely done with her "burden" -- physical or otherwise -- after simply giving birth?  Their work is just beginning!  Every day that child needs -- food, love, interaction, bathing, doctor visits, schooling, sports activities, reading, care when ill, religious education, etc., etc., etc.  (Many of these needs require a great deal of physical activity on Mom's part to accomplish!)  And just because her child turns 18, she won't EVER stop being his or her "Mom"! 

  

So as to "who bears greater consequenses?  The one who steps up to the plate and takes the entire responsibility of the life these two people created.  If Matt Dubay was that adament about not wanting "the consequences" he should have taken his "responsibility" seriously and used his own birth control (condom) rather than expecting someone else to do it for him.  This act is his reproductive right -- but with rights come responsibility and he must now accept his and support his beautiful daughter! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:07 am PDT

I Support Matt!

First I would like to mention that I am a woman who completely supports Matt.  The woman in this case "does" have several options, as most women do.  Matt on the other hand is not and will not be afforded the same options.  If he does not want to be a father, and in this case never did and expressed so, he should not be forced by this woman to do so.  There are also instances where women have wanted to have abortions, and the fathers have attempted to block those abortions because they wanted the child.  I see this as the same type of instance only reversed.  I have three children, however fortunate or unfortunate, they have different fathers.  One out of high school, and knucklehead never paid a red cent of child support.  I couldn't have cared less.  I took responsibility for my actions, and my ignorance for listening to the absolutely sweet nothings that were whispered in my ear.  I married finally and then divorced.  Thus child number two.  Same situation.  A few months of child support as a result of a nasty court battle over contested visitation, and after a few checks, it was all over!  My husband (aka Baby's Daddy Number Three) and I have been married for 15 years.  Bottom line:  Fathers who don't want to be fathers, and state so from the very beginning, should not be made to do so!  Mothers who don't want to be bothered with deadbeat dads, shouldn't have to be bothered with them either!  I wasn't , and I believe my life was a lot less complicated.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:13 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

When a man and a women decide to have sex they should be married and ready to have kids, however life isn't always that easy.  

The reality of it is that women have unplanned pregnancies all the time and abortions happen everyday.  These abortions are happening because the mother has made the choice, why can't men make the same choice.  

I'm not saying men should be able to make a women get an abortion but if wants nothing to do with the child than why are they forced to pay child support.  

If a man wants to give up his rights let him. Parenting is hard enough without having it forced upon you. The women made the choice to have the baby with out the father's consent so why is he the one expected to take care of it financially and not the mom.  

  

 

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April 21, 2006, 3:17 am PDT

am disgusted

I haven't seen the show yet but from reading the blurb on the first story i couldn't help but wonder where the chaps head was when him and his (now ex)girlfrend were having sex. it's one thing to SAY you DON"T want to be like a dad when she is pregnant but he should have thought of that before he did the 'deed' and put on a condom so there'd be less of a risk of pregnacy.

i don't mean to sound anti-man. I am all for equal rights in many areas for both sexes including procreation but i tend to feel that it's a man's choice weather to be a dad or not AT THE TIME OF SEX and not after the child has been conceived. by then it is too late to say 'oh, i am SORRY, i am going to shirk my responsibily and not BE a dad cuz i was think with my penis 10 mos ago and not my brains and didn't stick on a condom'.

that is SO wrong to think that once a pregnacy happens to try and back out with some dumb ass excuse when a little protection could have gone a long way to resovle this issue

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April 21, 2006, 4:21 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: purplepain

I think the current system works most of the time. But this case that Dr Phil has on his show is really out there. And I think this man should be free of child support. He never wanted a child and made that clear to this woman. This case is very easy to research on the internet.

It's complicated, I agree. But this woman does not deserve child support and she should have known that she wouldn't recieve support.

That is the crux of the matter. Women who trick men, and I admit it's not common but it's not unheard of,  into having baby's should realize they run the risk of thier child not having a father.

Woman need to step up and take responibility for thier bodies...COMPLETELY.

I don't understand what you mean when you say that "this woman does not deserve child support".  What about the baby, does she deserve child support?   

  

I have not researched this case on the internet as you have, but I had the understanding that the mother was told that she could not have children.  Does this surprise pregnancy label her child undeserving of the support of the father?  If so, how do we decide which children are deserving and which are not?   

  

How many men and boys do you think that have unprotected sex, out of wedlock and in an uncommitted relationship, want the babies that are created from that act?  Should we leave them free of responsibility because they are under the guise of , "I don't want to be a father".  I feel confident that a very large percentage of men who pay child support fall into this category.  Also, what about women who decide after giving birth that they don't want to be mothers, wouldn't this open the door for irresponsible behavior on their part as well?  It seems to me that this is very dangerouse territory.   

  

Also, I am very curious about the parents of this man who was on the show, the grandparents of  baby Elizabeth.  Are they turning  their backs on her as well?  How could they possibly be proud of their son when he is very publicly casting aside his baby daughter?  I can't imagine how this is going to affect Elizabeth later in life.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:43 am PDT

Baby Wars

     

  

      Hi I just wanted to say that this not ready to be a father is lam. If he was not ready to be a father than he shouldn't have had sex with her. Using a condom doesn't always protect against pregnancy. Abstinence does. Whatever happen to the way that God intended sex. He intended it within the confines of marriage. If we stayed with His ways we would not have so many children being raised in one parent homes. There wouldn't be so many dead beat dads and moms. This is one reason to wait till marriage to have sex another is their wouldn't be so many STD's out there. It bothers me to see a commercial about medication for herpes as it is alright to get herpes the medicine will help you to feel better so that you could continue with having sex. Our morales are all mix up. We have stray so far from God's way of doing things that it is our children that our suffering and hence our future.  

 

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April 21, 2006, 4:49 am PDT

Matt you should be ashamed

I can't believe Matt, I think its terrible his attitude.  He has a child and he needs to accept it.  How can he deny that child, right to that childs face.  Its unfortunate because baby Elizabeth is the innocent one in all of this, and yet her biological father is being so nasty to her.  I can't believe Matt's family wouldn't put an end to it, if that were my son I would definitely step up to the plate and tell my son to grow up.  There are tons of cases where women have been told they will never conceive and then by nothing short of a miracle it happens.  Who knows the situation either way he made the choice as much as she made the choice to jump in bed.  There are never any guarantees when you start having sex its a chance you take.  Matt was and is obviously too young and immature to have sex if he wasn't willing to deal with the consequences.  I personally don't believe abortion should be an option either unless there are extreme cases, but as a scapegoat for young immature teens having sex I don't believe it should be, its giving them away out which makes the decision to take that chance a lot less scary!  To Lauren I think you definitely made the right choice to keep Elizabeth and I am sure you will do a wonderful job raising your daughter.  Its too bad Matt's family will miss out on a niece, a granddaughter and a daughter but its better they miss out then her find out how much he/they don't care.  One day he will look back and regret his decision and his immaturity.  If I were any other girl even remotely interested in Matt I would RUN!!!!!  And to Matt and his family I think you should all be ashamed of yourselfs!!!  Especially the lawyers willing to attempt a case like this. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:55 am PDT

odd situation?

Hi, I've never been on here before, so this is new to me.  My situation is rather different from what I've read here.  I just wanted to let people know there are 'these' type people out there.  I was married to my first husband about 14 years ago.  After 2 years of marriage we found out I was pregnant and we were both just extremely happy.  (Planned pregnancy).  After the baby came along, my husband decided it was a huge mistake and laid on the bed and cried and pitched a fit b/c he said we had made the most horrible mistake of bringing a baby into the world.  I loved (and still do love) this baby with all my heart.  He decided to go out and find other women and run around on me.  Left me home with the baby and to take care of all his needs.  When I found out what he was doing, I asked for divorce and took MY baby and left.  He told me then that it was MY fault that he done what he done b/c I had a baby and disrupted OUR lives.  I didn't feel that way then and certainly don't feel that way now.   I now have a wonderful 12 year old son whom I think the world of and we are so very close in our relationship.  He sees his biological father approx. 3 or 4 times a year (they live in the same county).  I have since married for the 2nd time, been married for 8 1/2 years and have a wonderful husband and he and my son are so very close also.  I thank God everyday for the favor my ex-husband done me.  At the time, it hurt tremendously, but now I know it was all for the best.  It's hard to believe any man or anyone for that matter could ever think a precious little baby could ever be disruptive to their lives.  My son is my world! 
 
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April 21, 2006, 5:11 am PDT

unpopular opinion, I'm sure

Sorry, ladies, but I side with the man on this one.  He made it perfectly clear he didn't want to be a father.  The fact that she claimed to be on the Pill and unable to have children for other medical reasons sounds fishy to me.  I'm doubting both facts as being true.  I was on birth control for 10 years before my first pregnancy.  It works 99% of the time if used correctly.  Could she have been lax about taking the pill every day at the same time of day as the instructions say because she thought she had a medical condition preventing her from conceiving?  Smells a lot like fraud to me.  She wanted the baby, knew darn well he did not, so she should take full financial responsibility.  Sorry!
 
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