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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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July 17, 2006, 11:31 am PDT

Adoption

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Ok for those that have no idea how the adoption thing works. Here it goes there are two ways a baby or child can be adopted. You can be placed into foster care and that means that the child was taken from their parents, or the mother placed the child from birth with the adotive parents. We birth parnets don't in any way get ride of our children. We place them because we don't have the financial  means to support them. I had to place my son b/c my son's sperm donor didn't want to help me with him AT ALL THAT MEANS LADIES AND GENTALMEN NO HELP. I did not in any way go for child support. I did that only b/c I knew that his sperm donor would work under the table. I did not have the time to wait for child support to get off their lazy ass and do their jobs. Yes they do it to both of us meaning to the mothers and the fathers. I have seen how it goes. My brother pays his child support and only gets to see his son when see wants him to. We as his family have never gotten to see our nephew. She (mother) lives in Virgina and only marrys men that are in the Marines. She has been married to many times to count. Luck for the Marines she was fixed and can't put another man through this. My brother paid child support before it was court order, and she went to court to get more money. She calls when she needs more money, and I don't think that she spends the money on my nephew. She spends the money to go to the bar. She was in the bar before she was eighteen. This makes her a bar Marine chasing whore. 

  

Loving mother of two, 

Donna 

My quote was based on the idea that a woman has chosen to give the child up for adoption, not by means of foster care but yes when a child is taken from his/her mother they wind up in the foster care system and can therefor be adopted hopefully by a loving and caring family.  Women who have children and decide to give them up for adoption for a variety of reasons, financially being a big part of that, sometimes they're too young...but either way those women should be commended for making the difficult decision to give up their child to a home who can provide for them. That is not an easy choice to make. 

  

  

 
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July 17, 2006, 11:38 am PDT

The system

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That is fine if you dont agree. That is your opinion. Are you part of the system somehow? Do you get or pay child support? Just curious.

You misread my statement. I agree that things need to change. I'm not any part of the system nor do I get or have to pay child support. The part of the system I think needs to be change are those running it. The laws aren't the big problem so much as the people within the system...for example those that work for the government. They may work for the government but that doesn't mean they don't abuse whatever power they might posess. Many get a raw deal. The other problem I mentioned were yes those who get around paying child support...the real dead beat dads..the ones that take cash jobs, etc. My husband's father never paid a dime in child support and he was married for 15 years. He left three children and his wife to support themselves. She worked 3 jobs as she tried to work her way through school. Those are the dead beat fathers. 

  

Things do need to change I totally agree with you. The only way things change are by people. People make the laws, people either follow or don't follow the laws...people either abuse the system and their power within the system etc. 

  

The folks that took too much money from you could have given that money back to you I have no doubt...but they didn't and that I feel was abusive. The law stated you provide money for child support...you did...and they abused their right to take the extra money from you. So it's not the law that was the problem...it's the people within the system itself.  I'm trying to make myself clear here but apparently I'm failing miserably. 

 
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July 17, 2006, 11:42 am PDT

Accident

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Ok for those that have no idea how the adoption thing works. Here it goes there are two ways a baby or child can be adopted. You can be placed into foster care and that means that the child was taken from their parents, or the mother placed the child from birth with the adotive parents. We birth parnets don't in any way get ride of our children. We place them because we don't have the financial  means to support them. I had to place my son b/c my son's sperm donor didn't want to help me with him AT ALL THAT MEANS LADIES AND GENTALMEN NO HELP. I did not in any way go for child support. I did that only b/c I knew that his sperm donor would work under the table. I did not have the time to wait for child support to get off their lazy ass and do their jobs. Yes they do it to both of us meaning to the mothers and the fathers. I have seen how it goes. My brother pays his child support and only gets to see his son when see wants him to. We as his family have never gotten to see our nephew. She (mother) lives in Virgina and only marrys men that are in the Marines. She has been married to many times to count. Luck for the Marines she was fixed and can't put another man through this. My brother paid child support before it was court order, and she went to court to get more money. She calls when she needs more money, and I don't think that she spends the money on my nephew. She spends the money to go to the bar. She was in the bar before she was eighteen. This makes her a bar Marine chasing whore. 

  

Loving mother of two, 

Donna 

By the way...a child is an accident when two people who decide to engage in sex, let's say protected sex and somehow the protection fails and the woman becomes pregnant and did not want to be. That's an accident...it doesn't devalue the child's worth. I was an accident. My biological mother was 19 years old and was not ready to have children. She took responsiblity and went through with the pregnancy and because she felt she could not take care of me...she gave me the opportunity to thrive in an environment with two parents who could. There's nothing wrong with that. I was an accident and I don't feel bad about myself as a result...I'm just glad she chose to give birth to me so that I may sit here and discuss these things with you amongst others.
 
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July 17, 2006, 12:44 pm PDT

o.O

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Ok for those that have no idea how the adoption thing works. Here it goes there are two ways a baby or child can be adopted. You can be placed into foster care and that means that the child was taken from their parents, or the mother placed the child from birth with the adotive parents. We birth parnets don't in any way get ride of our children. We place them because we don't have the financial  means to support them. I had to place my son b/c my son's sperm donor didn't want to help me with him AT ALL THAT MEANS LADIES AND GENTALMEN NO HELP. I did not in any way go for child support. I did that only b/c I knew that his sperm donor would work under the table. I did not have the time to wait for child support to get off their lazy ass and do their jobs. Yes they do it to both of us meaning to the mothers and the fathers. I have seen how it goes. My brother pays his child support and only gets to see his son when see wants him to. We as his family have never gotten to see our nephew. She (mother) lives in Virgina and only marrys men that are in the Marines. She has been married to many times to count. Luck for the Marines she was fixed and can't put another man through this. My brother paid child support before it was court order, and she went to court to get more money. She calls when she needs more money, and I don't think that she spends the money on my nephew. She spends the money to go to the bar. She was in the bar before she was eighteen. This makes her a bar Marine chasing whore. 

  

Loving mother of two, 

Donna 

Your brother can actually contest the amount of child support he is paying if he has substantial evidence against this woman...They are supposed to have some kind of agreement of set days to go along with the child support. He can sue for adjusted custody rights if he so chooses.  

  

My father had my sister and I every weekend. It was a set agreement. My dad could've taken my mom to court had she refused to let him see us on his set days. 

My uncle also went through this, and he got the adjusted custody rights...he now has his daughter 3 out of 4 weekends every month after she wouldn't let him see my cousin for almost a month straight. 

  

Might be time for your brother to explore his legal avenues...at least to find out if there's a way to change his son's future.  

I hope things change for him soon, though. That can't be a pleasant situation. All the best hopes and wishes to him and his son (as well as your family). 

  

 
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July 17, 2006, 1:30 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

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  EXCUSE ME BUT 800 A MONTH IS NOT JUST TO COVER FOOD.  iT IS SUPPOSE TO HELP WITH RENT OR HOUSE PAYMENT.  TO PROVIDE CLOTHING FOR A CHILD,  AHAT ABOUT CAR INSURANCE AND CAR PAYMENTS SO THE CHILD CAN GET TO DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS.  THAT IS WHAT CHILD SUPPORT IS USED FOR.  NOT JUST FOR FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i AM A MOTHER OF A 3 YAER YEAR OLD AND MY FIANCE AND i PAY MORE THAN 800 A MONTH FOR FOOD ,CLOTHING, AND SHELTER .  AND FUN ACTIVITIES.    THAT LITTLE GIRL IS ENTITLED TO HAVE THINGS SHE NEEDS AND TO HAVE SOME FUN THINGS AND IT IS BOTH THE MOTHER AND FARTHERS JOB TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.  HE IS A COWARD FOR TRYING TO GET OUT OF HIS PART.
Give me a break. If you are in a new relationship and you are going to get married he will be providing that for you and by doing that he is providing that for your child. Whether you have a child or not your new man is going to be paying those things so that isn't her dads responsibility. Give me a break. So you think he should help pay for the house that you and your new soon to be husband will be living in together? I think not. He is to help care for the child. The shelter is already provided.
 
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July 17, 2006, 3:32 pm PDT

Children are a gift from GOD PERIOD!

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By the way...a child is an accident when two people who decide to engage in sex, let's say protected sex and somehow the protection fails and the woman becomes pregnant and did not want to be. That's an accident...it doesn't devalue the child's worth. I was an accident. My biological mother was 19 years old and was not ready to have children. She took responsiblity and went through with the pregnancy and because she felt she could not take care of me...she gave me the opportunity to thrive in an environment with two parents who could. There's nothing wrong with that. I was an accident and I don't feel bad about myself as a result...I'm just glad she chose to give birth to me so that I may sit here and discuss these things with you amongst others.

Children  are a gift from God no matter how the came into this world planned or not. If they protected them self or not. I have had two unplanned pregencys, and I DON'T THINK OF THEM AS ACCIDENTS. I would never tell my son's that they were accidents. That is the most uncalled for statement that I have ever hear of . I am 27 years old and have two beautiful son's that God gave to me. I didn't have thew means to take care of them both. 

  

  

Loving mother of two, 

Donna 

 
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July 17, 2006, 3:39 pm PDT

am i missing something?

I don’t seem to understand why this father seems to think he doesn’t have the same rights as this mother.  She has the right to be a mother.  And he still maintains the right not to be a father.  He has the ability to sever his rights as a parent.  He would no longer legally be this child’s father.  Additionally, by severing his rights he will allow this mom to marry and have her future husband adopt this child.   

What’s the problem? 

And if this father can’t stomach severing his rights, then he’d best step up to the plate and do his part.  You can’t have it both ways. 

 
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July 17, 2006, 4:13 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

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I don’t seem to understand why this father seems to think he doesn’t have the same rights as this mother.  She has the right to be a mother.  And he still maintains the right not to be a father.  He has the ability to sever his rights as a parent.  He would no longer legally be this child’s father.  Additionally, by severing his rights he will allow this mom to marry and have her future husband adopt this child.   

What’s the problem? 

And if this father can’t stomach severing his rights, then he’d best step up to the plate and do his part.  You can’t have it both ways. 

I am sure that he would love to severe his rights however I highly doubt the mother of the child would allow that. I am sure he has already tried to go that route and that failed so this is the way he is going now.
 
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July 17, 2006, 5:18 pm PDT

Coward Huh?

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  EXCUSE ME BUT 800 A MONTH IS NOT JUST TO COVER FOOD.  iT IS SUPPOSE TO HELP WITH RENT OR HOUSE PAYMENT.  TO PROVIDE CLOTHING FOR A CHILD,  AHAT ABOUT CAR INSURANCE AND CAR PAYMENTS SO THE CHILD CAN GET TO DOCTORS APPOINTMENTS.  THAT IS WHAT CHILD SUPPORT IS USED FOR.  NOT JUST FOR FOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i AM A MOTHER OF A 3 YAER YEAR OLD AND MY FIANCE AND i PAY MORE THAN 800 A MONTH FOR FOOD ,CLOTHING, AND SHELTER .  AND FUN ACTIVITIES.    THAT LITTLE GIRL IS ENTITLED TO HAVE THINGS SHE NEEDS AND TO HAVE SOME FUN THINGS AND IT IS BOTH THE MOTHER AND FARTHERS JOB TO PROVIDE FOR THEM.  HE IS A COWARD FOR TRYING TO GET OUT OF HIS PART.

   

What do you call a woman that gets an abortion or drops the baby off at the hospital under the safe haven law or puts up for adoption because she doesnt want the the responsibility? Thats all ok huh? Because thats what a woman wants! BS!  

   

A divorced father should not be responsible for YOUR RENT! and YOUR CAR INSURANCE! He is responsible for basic needs, clothes, medicen, food. NOT YOUR LIVING EXPENSES! Pay your own damn bills! You wanted the damn thing, you wanted FULL custody now accept FULL responsibility!  

   

Women just use children as cash cows and men for money to get what THEY want! They wanted the child and now the dad has to pay and the child has no father, mom had the court strip him of ALL his custody but OL MOM has EVERYTHING SHE wanted at the expense and demise of the father and the child! Makes me sick!  

   

 
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July 17, 2006, 5:30 pm PDT

There was an article in the paper about that

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Ya well I can tell you that would be nice if I got paid to stay at home with my kids. That really isn't the point. No stay at home moms get paid. They are no different then those of us that are stay at home moms that dont get child support. So is that supposed to make me feel better that they are only getting $500/month for doing nothing when i dont get paid? I dont really see how that matters here.

   

The newspaper shot it down big time. Said it was a joke and didnt even come close to the responsibilities of a job. Good try ladies. We dont get to put the baby down, fix some popcorn and watch "Days of our Lives" at work 4 hours a day!   

   

Go hump somebody else's leg!  

Nice Try.  

   

Get a job! Pay your own damn way like everyone else including GOD expects you to do. Even the bible says if you dont WORK, you don EAT! So quit sitting home and checking the mailbox for a free check and support yourself and the decision YOU made to raise a child by YOURSELF! Dont drag others into the unilateral CHOICE YOU MADE! All by yourself!  

   

   

   

   

 
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