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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 12:41 pm PDT

Bravo for the Courage to Speak Out

I am totally in support of the young man who had unprotected sex on the basis of his partner's word that she could not get pregnant and was taking the birth control pill.  He was very clear that he did not want children; she validated his intent with her lies.  She should take FULL responsibility for the upkeep of the child. 

  

By the way, Dr. Phil, do I detect some fickleness in your positions:  fully supporting the wife who doesn't want any more children, saying the decision was hers as well as his?  This is a total reversal from your admonishing the first young man. 

  

As far as the second set of guests is concerned.  They already have four children!! Perhaps they need to read about world-wide population issues.  Dr. Phil, perhaps you have a responsibility to bring population issues into the mix.  If her body is battered with childbirth, there are many children in the world who need homes.   They could adopt with the result that he gets another child; her  body is not battered any more; another child is not added to the world population; a needy child receives a loving home. 

  

By the way, I am a female.  The best decision I ever made was not to have children. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

You are so WRONG

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okay gimmie a break is this nut for real ..... dont want to be a daddy  WEAR A CONDOM ...and stop bitching ...stand up and be a man ,  i am so tired of hearing about paternal rights they claim they have no say in anything well... how about making the chice to take charge of the situation and put condom on ohhhhhhhhhh thats right you guys dont like the feeling ...well now tough deal with it      AND TO ALL THE WOMEN OUT THERE TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THIS CHARMER AND RUN LIKE HELL IF YOU SEE HIM  .............. 

I would think that if you were the one that had no say in the matter that you would be singing a different tune.   This "MAN" did not want a child, and I would be a $1000 that she did.   And so she has her daughter and now she wants to hold him financially hostage for 18 yrs.     

What if he did wear a condom and it failed .... does that make it a better arrgument????? 

  

The bottom line is that women have rights after finding out there is a child involved -- MEN have NONE   Absolutely NONE. 

  

Women should think about that since they had to fight for plenty of rights, but in this case they don't care that Men have no rights at all ....  Absolutely None ..... 

  

It all comes down to Money -- It's always about the Money  

I've  paid support for a child that I never knew for the past 12 yrs ..... And for the record I am the proud father of 2 children that I love very much and that are a big piece of my life. 

  

  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Totaly agree

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OK first I am a single mother I had surgery and was told I was unable to have children and within 3 months I found out I was pregnant. So I dont think that the girl lied I think it was gods will.  

I my self was floored that I was pregnant (in a happy way). This guy is a total JERK and that baby would be better without him in her life.  

I do feel he should have to pay child support and I give the mother of the child much credit. 

I have a tipped uterus. I should not be able to have children.  I have a two year old daughter and a baby on the way.  Their father wasn't ready to be a father nor was I ready to be a mother but we sucked it up and took responsibility. It was the best decision I ever made!
 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Deadbeat Dad.

Are you kidding me? On the show, Matt said he felt like he had no responsibility. "Infertile" or not, he had sex with his (ex) girlfriend, obviously meaning something he did. If you do something, it is then YOUR responsibility. Matt claimed that his ex was trying to put all of the responsibility on him. Well, she had the baby.. she knows she has responsibility.. but she also knows that Matt does too. He calls this Equal Rights for Men? Maybe he should act like a man and know what a man is before he pledges to give them equal rights!
 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Here's the thing

I have 2 points of view on this one.  The jerk on this show today should absolutely be financially responsible for this child.  He did not wear a condom.  That was his choice.  He seems intelligent enough to know that if you don't use protection pregnancy is a possibility.  However, if he does pay child support, he then has rights to see the child.  I don't know about the baby's mother but I sure as hell wouldn't want someone with his point of view near my baby.  So if I had to choose between the child support or having that jack ass out of my life, I would say Bonjour Bastard!! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME!!

I cannot believe this guy!  You mean to tell me in the heat of the moment he looks at his girl and says, "if this results in pregnancy, I don't want to be a father".  I seriously doubt it.  And even if he did, ANY time you have sex it can result in a pregnancy.  He needs to quit being a BABY himself and be a man and take care of his baby.   

   

As far as his rights, he had the right to say "no" or wear a condom.  He chose to do neither.  And, yes, the mother had rights, but what about MORALS and sense of RESPONSIBILITY?  At least she has lived up to hers.  It is almost like he is trying to "get off on a technicality".  If he isn't responsible enough to live with the consequences of having sex, maybe he isn't responsible enough to have it.  That is why they teach "abstinance" to high school students.  Obviously, he missed the point.  It makes me SICK!!!   

   

I hope all of the women in America have seen the way he is and that no one will ever have sex with him again.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Completely Disgusted

 I think that many men ARE being ridiculous when it comes to unplanned pregnancies. Yes, the woman makes most of the decisions. Men should realize that that is the nature of the beast, though. The woman also has the greater responsibility, so she should be the dominant party in making childbirth decisions. Men should think of this each time they get into a bed with a woman. Birth control is also the man's responsibility--if women have to be responsible enough to take the pill, then men have to be responsible enough to use condoms!

Children should be discussed thoroughly between the man and the woman well BEFORE sex takes place!

I know that it is possible for women to lie to men about birth control. But, like I said, women are not the only ones who are responsible for birth control. Even if she lied about birth control, he is still the father of that baby and needs to step up to the plate. Yes, it may SEEM unfair, but it really isn't when you think of the fact men do have birth control options. Sometimes, unplanned things happen!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Roof guy

 I'm with the father on this one. I really think the wife needs to give her husband back his space. The bonding process can still take place when they're not sleeping. My kids were not allowed in my bedroom without permission and they weren't traumatized by it. (Ok, it's different for babies)You have to be flexible,of course, but as a general rule children should have their own space..
 
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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Telling people not to have sex is not the answer

Kids are going to have sex reguardless of what anyone says. What I have seen myself through experience with girls my age is that some girls try to trap the men into staying with them by stopping birth control on purpose or doing whatever it takes. Now why should these guys have to have mandatory money taken out of their paycheck because the girl decides to keep it. If she wants the child and he doesn't, then she should asume financial responsibility for it too. Girls also take advantage of the child support check and spend it on themselves. There are plenty of trashy women out there. Of course I am aware there are plenty of men that do agree to have a child and then disappear, but this guy made it clear he didn't want a kid. A lot of men never can get on their feet because they are young and hardly make any money, meanwhile they are shelling out money every month for a kid they never wanted. I do believe it is unfair that men pretty much have no say once the baby is conceived. Maybe if some of these young girls realized that if the men weren't obligated to pay if they didn't want the child, there would be more condoms in girls purses. Believe me, I am the last person to stand up for a guy, because I have known many not to treat girls right, but I think just saying "oh people who don't want kids at that particular time in their life should get a vasectomy" is ludicrous. They might want a kid when they are financially and emotionally ready, which in my opinion is when a child should be brought into this world.
 

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April 21, 2006, 12:42 pm PDT

Matt.....

  If you didn't want a baby, perhaps you should have practiced old fashioned safe sex..... basicly keep it zipped up.  As my grandma used to say, " You want to go to the dance, be prepared to pay the piper!"  

   

That sweet baby is going to need a real male influence, I'm guessing you're not up to the task.  Too bad.  

 
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