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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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September 9, 2008, 9:05 am PDT

Fathers have rights too

My brother has been going through a heartbreaking child custody battle for the past four years.  He is by no means a perfect saint but his actions have been honorable throughout this case.  It all started 5 years ago when he had a short relationship with a girl and they ended up going their separate ways.  They live in a small town in Nebraska and he soon found out that she was pregnant.  He immediately called her to confirm that she was pregnant.  She adamantly denied that she was pregnant.  A couple more months went by and again he heard that she was definitely pregnant, so he called her again to see if it was his child.  She admitted to being pregnant this time but said there was no way it could be his child.  Months went by and he gets another call from someone who said that there was an ad in the local paper about a child that was going to be up for adoption.  If any man thought this was their baby they only had a certain amount of time to claim paternity.  My brother immediately called and had a test performed only to find out that it was his child.  He filed for custody of the child and that is when the mother decided to revoke the adoption process and fight for full custody of the child.  They had video of her picking up the baby from daycare and not strapping him in the car seat, video of her at drug parties, witnesses stating that she had smoked marijuana while she was pregnant with him, she also had been arrested 1 week before the trial for bad checks, and still after all this she was awarded primary custody of my nephew.  After this trial she continually let my brother have much more time than the court ordered with his son.  She had many excuses the most appalling one being the drive to my brothers house 20 miles away was too boring so they could just keep him a couple more days.  Also almost 1 year to the day she had another son which she once again hid from the father and gave up for adoption.  We also found out that she had at least 1 abortion and has one other child.  She is now married to a man who is being investigated for child abuse on his kids and possibly my brothers son.  Of coarse those cases are hard to prove.  My brother is now taking her back to court but it is not looking like this small town judge is going to grant him primary custody.  He in no way wants to take away all contact from the mother and believes that his son still needs her in his life. 

 

     My brother has a very stable home with a loving wife who treats his son like her own.  There are good dads out there getting the raw end of the deal in child custody cases.  Where does he go from here? 

 

    

 

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October 22, 2008, 1:53 pm PDT

Biology How Dare You!

This whole idea of "reproductive rights" shows how arrogant we are in this country. We set ourselves up as gods over our own bodies, shaking our finger in the face of biology and say, "Now you better not do what I don't want you to do." Then we act so offended when biology does its job and we completely run from the responsibility of our actions. This is true for female and male reproductive "rights." The women that were on the show with these "men" today are typical women in that they strip their husbands and sons of their manhood and completely defend their lack of masculinity. The mother of the first guest and the wife of the second are failing to hold these men up to a standard that is continually falling. Being able to have sex does not make you a man. Being able to pleasure a woman does not make you a man. Being able to father children does not make you a man. What makes you a man is being able to stand up in difficult times and take on the responsibility of your action - not blaming other people for being in a situation that you'd rather not be in. What if these guys had gotten an STD? What if they found themselves to be HIV positive? Would they then have said, "I don't want to have HIV so it doesn't really exist."??? Women act the same way in this country. They act offended that an "unplanned" pregnancy has taken place and so they quote their "rights' all the way to the abortion clinic. My advice for those having sex without wanting children....plan on the unexpected.
 
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October 23, 2008, 4:41 pm PDT

"YOU AREN'T EVEN CLOSE"

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This whole idea of "reproductive rights" shows how arrogant we are in this country. We set ourselves up as gods over our own bodies, shaking our finger in the face of biology and say, "Now you better not do what I don't want you to do." Then we act so offended when biology does its job and we completely run from the responsibility of our actions. This is true for female and male reproductive "rights." The women that were on the show with these "men" today are typical women in that they strip their husbands and sons of their manhood and completely defend their lack of masculinity. The mother of the first guest and the wife of the second are failing to hold these men up to a standard that is continually falling. Being able to have sex does not make you a man. Being able to pleasure a woman does not make you a man. Being able to father children does not make you a man. What makes you a man is being able to stand up in difficult times and take on the responsibility of your action - not blaming other people for being in a situation that you'd rather not be in. What if these guys had gotten an STD? What if they found themselves to be HIV positive? Would they then have said, "I don't want to have HIV so it doesn't really exist."??? Women act the same way in this country. They act offended that an "unplanned" pregnancy has taken place and so they quote their "rights' all the way to the abortion clinic. My advice for those having sex without wanting children....plan on the unexpected.

Some of what you stated I agree with. However; a man should also be given a window of opportunity to opt out of the pregnancy just as a woman has the same window to get an abortion. You see, I got someone pregnant 15 yrs ago and I received that dreaded phone call early one morning stating that this woman was 8 1/2 months pregnant and she was sure that it was mine. So tell me what happen to my choices? We then ended up in court along with 2 other defendants. Because she did not know who the father was and I was failed to be served the proper court papers 2 the wrong address. So needless to say the other defendants were dropped from the case and I was deemed to be the father for not appearing in court. After 2 appeals and countless attempts to have a DNA test performed had been denied. I am still paying child support that is continuing to inflate every 3 years due to the fact that the child's mother never did anything with her life. My wife and I finally convince this woman and my daughter(14 years old now) to have a legal DNA test performed. Only because my daughter wanted to meet me and had to have my signature in order to get a passport. Now, what sort of father can I be to her since her mother had kept her from me, moved out of sate without telling me, and there had been no contact up until now. And then BAM! the next think I know I am now paying 450.00 per plane ticket to fly her out from Arizona to be with me, my wife and our daughter. She has now flown out here 3 times, and it is even harder to connect with her that I had originally anticipated. She does not talk much and when she does it is about sex. So I suppose that since all my rights as a human being, not a man, had been taken away and kept away for the past 15 years. That now I guess I should accept her as a friend and not as a daughter. And finally, my wife and I are sick of the " my mom doesn't have any money". I pay the state maxium for 1 child in the state of Fla. and I carry the best medical and dental plan that my hospital provides which cost me about 156.00 every 2 weeks and she gets 360.00 every 2 weeks also.  So yes I am a little bitter about this whole subject because if I had been given the chance to take a DNA test 14 years ago then my relationship with my daughter would be a lot different and who knows she might even be living with me and my family by now.

 

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October 24, 2008, 6:00 pm PDT

TrappedFathers

I totally agree with Matt!! Fathers should have rights and have the say in whether a child should even be born, much less have to support it for the rest of its life!  If the truth be known, the woman had the baby out of spite. I know I am dealing with the same crap and have been for 14 years. I would like very much to talk to Matt and see if we could form a group to get these laws changed!! So Matt or Dr. Phil if you read this please get in touch with me, because I would love to see a change in the so called "system." I would love to come to the show or to do whatever I need to help us-fathers make a stand. Hopefully, I will hear from the both of you soon.
 
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October 24, 2008, 7:40 pm PDT

Live and Learn

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I totally agree with Matt!! Fathers should have rights and have the say in whether a child should even be born, much less have to support it for the rest of its life!  If the truth be known, the woman had the baby out of spite. I know I am dealing with the same crap and have been for 14 years. I would like very much to talk to Matt and see if we could form a group to get these laws changed!! So Matt or Dr. Phil if you read this please get in touch with me, because I would love to see a change in the so called "system." I would love to come to the show or to do whatever I need to help us-fathers make a stand. Hopefully, I will hear from the both of you soon.
Regarding the responsibilty of  taking  care of children.  It rests squarely on the shoulders of the two that decided to procreate. But of those two, if one of them did not want a child. Then you have a major problem. I've fathered a child that I've only seen once, at the paternity hearing. The little girl is mine. The mother will not allow me to see her. I've never been late or missed a child support payment. As a matter of fact I've overpaid. I was told by the magistrate that the overpayment will not be returned to me and that the state of Ohio will, "let it ride", that it's in the best intrest of the child. I have two other children that live with me. Is it in their best intrest? To," let it ride"?  I've been told by the mother that I'm not a real man. Even after I found out that she was sleeping around while pregnant with our daughter. If the court system wants to regulate personal affairs regarding unwed parents. Then they should dig all the way in. They should find out why the relationship failed, and who is to blame. And put that information out there for the public to read. There is no quick fix to this problem. I've been stressed to a breaking point. It is almost impossible to have a new relationship because of past mistakes. I bet the mother doesn't feel this way!? As she laughs all the way to the bank. I work. And pray about this situation. I know that I should be happy about a healthy child. But a resentment for the mother will not allow me to even smile when I think of the child. I was told that she was having an abortion. She later told me to get ready to pay her, for support, since she changed her mind. The mother has not been gainfully employed in years. So I pay the maximum amount because of it. Also I have the cost of the health insurance to pay. Anthem none the less. I have a son. That I will teach to love others especially women, from a safe distance. That nowadays you can't trust even those that claim that they love you. I pray he is never subjected to the pain and stress and disappointment that I've experieinced at the hands of an ex-lover, the family court system and the blanket opinions of pro-choice women. Men's Rights? Ha, they don't exist. Un-married or divorced as a man that is the non-custodial parent. You have to the right to pay support  and visitation rights, that's it. Oh, they aren't enforced by the courts, don't beleive the hype. They could care less if you see your child. All that matters is that your payment is on time. The final judgement is going to be handed down by God. So for those that hide behind the system to exploit men. Guess what God won't care about Family Law and what your allowed to do according to it. Because if your wrong then your just wrong.
 
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October 29, 2008, 12:38 pm PDT

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Look, you had to of had a CLUE, when you laid, down with her...that HEY SHE COULD GET PREGNANT. I was told I could never get pregnant...I've tried evrything but the shot & IUD. Guess what, every time I had sex...I GOT PREGNANT.  Furthermore, my husbands father, told all 7 of his male children (No girls) ,"DON'T SLEEP WITH A WOMEN, UNLESS YOU ARE SURE YOU WOULD MARRY HER."

 

And lets face it, yes SOME men should have rights...But, keep in mind, for centuries MEN have found ways not to pay child support. Under the table jobs, switching different places continually, lieing to the Judges and so on and so forth...knowing full well, thats their child, showed up for the birth, insisted the children had their last name. Come on men, haven't single MOM's paid a big enough price, after all they had temporary brain loss, they slept with an irresponsible man, and have to work, feed, clothe, pay bills, rent and all BY THEMSELVES...all because you want the iceing and not the whole cake....You complain women are not up front....How about...."I want to sleep with you...however, I don't want any children..." She slept with you for more than whats down your pants....women feel a conection and want more than just sex...

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:43 pm PDT

Crazy

Look, you had to of had a CLUE, when you laid, down with her...that HEY SHE COULD GET PREGNANT. I was told I could never get pregnant...I've tried evrything but the shot & IUD. Guess what, every time I had sex...I GOT PREGNANT.  Furthermore, my husbands father, told all 7 of his male children (No girls) ,"DON'T SLEEP WITH A WOMEN, UNLESS YOU ARE SURE YOU WOULD MARRY HER."

 

And lets face it, yes SOME men should have rights...But, keep in mind, for centuries MEN have found ways not to pay child support. Under the table jobs, switching different places continually, lieing to the Judges and so on and so forth...knowing full well, thats their child, showed up for the birth, insisted the children had their last name. Come on men, haven't single MOM's paid a big enough price, after all they had temporary brain loss, they slept with an irresponsible man, and have to work, feed, clothe, pay bills, rent and all BY THEMSELVES...all because you want the iceing and not the whole cake....You complain women are not up front....How about...."I want to sleep with you...however, I don't want any children..." She slept with you for more than whats down your pants....women feel a conection and want more than just sex...

 
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October 29, 2008, 12:45 pm PDT

Baby Daddy Wars

Look, you had to of had a CLUE, when you laid, down with her...that HEY SHE COULD GET PREGNANT. I was told I could never get pregnant...I've tried evrything but the shot & IUD. Guess what, every time I had sex...I GOT PREGNANT.  Furthermore, my husbands father, told all 7 of his male children (No girls) ,"DON'T SLEEP WITH A WOMEN, UNLESS YOU ARE SURE YOU WOULD MARRY HER."

 

And lets face it, yes SOME men should have rights...But, keep in mind, for centuries MEN have found ways not to pay child support. Under the table jobs, switching different places continually, lieing to the Judges and so on and so forth...knowing full well, thats their child, showed up for the birth, insisted the children had their last name. Come on men, haven't single MOM's paid a big enough price, after all they had temporary brain loss, they slept with an irresponsible man, and have to work, feed, clothe, pay bills, rent and all BY THEMSELVES...all because you want the iceing and not the whole cake....You complain women are not up front....How about...."I want to sleep with you...however, I don't want any children..." She slept with you for more than whats down your pants....women feel a conection and want more than just sex...

 
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October 29, 2008, 7:00 pm PDT

men have rights too

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Thats the EXACT argument against abortion. So, are you consistant enough to demand that women: " then don't have sex and take chances or go get an operation " ? 

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! " 

  

  

the thing that bothers me the most is that whenever a woman gets pregnant they automatically blame the man where is the womans responsibillitiesin all of it the woman has the right to abortion,adoption,what happens when the woman has a child doesnt tell thefather until years later how is it fair the first thing out of theyre mouth is child support

 
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November 1, 2008, 7:13 pm PDT

07/06 Baby Wars

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Ok, first I know many people will disagree with this and maybe someone will agree but I think that this needs to be said.    

 First I have been in this situation and am now a single parent of a 2 year old boy. When I was 23 I was with someone that was 36 I will call him Mr. Doe. We were together for awhile and we both did not want any children. I was on birth control and was told by a doctor "That it would be impossible for me to conceive without fertility drugs" I took my pill everyday at the same time, i took the fake ones too. I did everything that I was suppose to do so that the pill works right. I WAS NOT on fertility drugs. Mr. Doe and I had sex unprotected a few times we were mainly using the pill. We broke up and about 6 months later I found out I was pregnant. I know this is shocking and I swear that I was going to the doctor trying to find out what was wrong with me the whole time. The doctors tried pregnancy tests, blood tests,  exams, and a lot more. I saw specialist I went to 4-5 different doctors all said that I was not pregnant and that I could not have children without fertility treatments. I did not gain any weight I was exercising and dieting. Eventually I felt my son kick in Aug. I went to the doctor still not believing that I was pregnant. They told me I was and that I was due in Nov.    

 I told Mr. Doe and he decided that he was not ready for a child, he did not want me to put him up for adoption. He wanted me to have an abortion. It became a huge fight because an abortion was not an option neither was adoption for me. He made the choice that he wanted nothing to do with the child. I have maintained a email address where he can contact me if he has any questions. He has never had any questions. He has seen my son twice in 2 years.   

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  In my case and in other cases a man does have choice. Just like Mr. Doe who choose not to use a condom every time. He choice just to depend on my pill and the doctors telling me I could not get pregnant with out fertility drugs. That was his choice. I choose to continue using the pill; But I did  not demand him to use a condom every time. The mans choice is 1) To wear a condom or not? 2) To get fixed or  not to get fixed? 3) I believe that they now have a pill for a man (I am not positive on this)  Are these not choice's... Or are they not enough of a choice?    

  A woman may have more of a choice. A woman may choice to have an abortion even if the man does not want her to have one just as she may choice to have the baby even if the man does not want her too.    

   

   

I know my response is approximately 7 months later, but I must say I agree with your post. It was very well written. I personally wish there was a federal law that all states must abide by that would make dead beat biological fathers and mothers the right to sign over all of their legal rights and afterwards demand they get fixed. Problem solved (smile).
 
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