Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

Would you say that to a woman who believed a lying man ? Uh huh. Your hate of men and your hate of equal rights is showing. 

Thanks for pointing out that you don't believe that men have rights. That you believe that men should be slaves to whatever a woman wants to do. That is, of course, sexist bigorty. Yours. 

Now, lets imagine a woman who had sex with either no birth control, or BC that failed. Who 

will call her " WHAT A JERK !!!! WHAT AN IDIOT !!! WHAT A COMPLETE BRAIN DEAD FOOL !!!! " ? 

Well, we know... not you. That further proves your bigoted hate of men, which is very common  

nowadays. Well, bigotry is still... bigotry. Even when the hated group are men. Deal with that ! 

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! " 

The problem with your point of view is that the law doesn't say this same thing to women. 

Women can spread their legs, get knocked up, and still get a second chance at making their "choice," presumably because the "feminist" decisions that allowed abortion claim, implicitly, that we're incapable of the forethought necessary to predict the consequences of our actions.  It's offensive, really, for men and for women. 

As a woman, as a feminist, I agree with this man. 

Men should be able to force abortion on women if they can force abortion on men. 

Men should be able to refuse child support if women force children on men. 

End of discussion. 

This whole thing blows my mind.....When you make the choice to get sexually involved with someone then you run the risk of assuming other responsibilities.  No matter how old you are becoming sexually active with someone is a big step.  I have know quite a few people that at one time or another have been told "You are unable to have kids"  even individuals that have had their tubes tied have been known to get pregnant.  Just because it did not fit into his plan does not mean that he should not take responsibility for his actions.  That child is his no matter what.  A man does have a choice in the matter he can state that he wants to give up his parental rights.  I work for a State Child Support Agency and have since 1999.  I have seen many things and heard many stories, there are dead beat dads and dead beat moms out there.  The bottom line to all this is that there is a child an innocent child that is a part of this world now, this child deserves to be loved and cared for.  A person would have to be heartless to act the way that he is acting.  One of these days he will have to deal with his decisions.....who knows when he actually has decided that he wants kids maybe he won't have that choice, maybe by then something medical will be wrong with him that will take that choice away.  Maybe one day he will get married and want to have kids and him and his wife will go through something glorious like finding out they are expecting and then get so far and lose the child and find out that they will not ever be able to have kids again......he needs to think long and hard before pushing this little baby out of his life.....things happen for a reason!!!!!! 

lieven,  

You said that "men do the lion's share of the work that keeps society running". Well, there would be no society if women didn't do the lion's share of the work that creates society to begin with! 

Sex is fun, and sex makes babies. If you are really opposed to having children, then you should not be having sex.   

Yes, women have alot of power. We put out or not. We abort or not. I understand how that can seem terribly unfair. But here's the flip side. We carry the baby. We loose bone and blood for them We sit up at night while they cry. We take lesser jobs so we can spend time with them.   

Men do none of these things. I have been in a situation where I was on the pill and got pregnant anyhow. I chose to keep my son, how could i not, the creator himself chose me to raise him. I was young and poor and had to take state health insurance (medicaid).   

To get the medicaide,  I had to tell who the father was, even though he didn't want anything to do with us. I know for a fact that he has a support order against him that he isn't paying.   

BUT THAT ISN"T THE POINT  

The point is what is best for the baby. I have a child, that fact alters my life permanetly, If the guy has to pay a little child support, then so be it. But if he was so opposed to being a father, he should have gotten himself fixed. Its a quick and easy operation done in an out patient setting.  

The woman doesn't have that option. She has substantial consequences regardless of what option she chooses.  

I believe they both should have choices, my concern is that Matt stated she told him she could not pregnant according to the doctors, but yet she was taking birth control pills. If she told him that it was impossible for her to get pregnant and he told her he was not ready for kids, I feel she possibily did not tell the whole truth which is why she was on birth control pills, I feel Matt should have used protection too. I am not saying that men should have the right to just walk away free of any responsibility, it takes 2 to make that innocent child that pays for 2 grown adults (or so they thought they were) mistakes.  Believe me I know My son is the result of a late night oops. When I learned I was pregnant I sat and talked with this father for a long time because I was not sure I was ready for the whole motherhood thing. He convinced me he would be there for me and my son and I  would not have to go back too work he would cut back on his hours of work to be with him and so I agreed to give birth. During my pregnancy I saw his father twice a week when I was in the hospital he was there for the delivery and over the next 3 days we saw him once. Over the next six weeks he stopped by about 3 days out of the week. Then I had to go back to work he paid my sister 500 a month to watch my son I never asked him for a thing. At age 3 his father took me to court he wanted custody he lost and was court ordered to pay child support to me. He wanted more then his typical visitation of everyother weekend and one day a week I agreed again. My son is now 9 years old he sees his father for an hour or two a couple days a week and gets his over nights with him only when I am on call and its conveinant for him. My sons child support goes into its own account and supports him I don't use it at all. I am sure I have gotten off track here but my point is I beleive both parents are or should be held accountable for the child. But I also believe that woman have the power to use a child to get what they want and alot think if they get pregnant they have their man too.