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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 1:07 pm PDT

matt is an idiot

IF MATT TRULY WANTED TO BE IN CONTROL OF HIS FUTURE AND NEVER BE A FATHER, THEN HE SHOULD HAVE USED A CONDOM! IT'S THAT SIMPLE.  

 

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April 21, 2006, 1:07 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I am a 22 year old woman with a 6 month old child that I am raising by myself. I am not irresponsible, I had a surprise and I am dealing with it. Her father wanted me to have an abortion, but I couldn't do it. The thing he, along with other men, needs to understand is that it is my body and my conscience! His rights end after he deposits his sperm. Matt has no right to complain about an unlevel playing field because he didn't have to sacrifice his body or make any changes to his lifestyle. His girlfriend did! He also has no right to complain that she is forcing him to be a father, because just like my daughter's father, he isn't present in her life. The mental and physical strain of fatherhood is really separation anxiety from his money! He is not concerned about the baby! If his girlfriend can take on single motherhood, good for her, he has no right to take that away from her! She has to be able to sleep at the end of the day and if doing right by her daughter is what gets her there, then we should all support her! If he thinks that $500 a month is enough to raise a baby, he obviously has no idea that she also makes a financial contribution and an emotional, mental and physical contribution on top of that. He should be grateful that he never had to make  such a difficult decision by himself and to undertake parenthood alone! The child support might not be such a big deal if he would drop all the legal fees and accept that men do not have the right to terminate a pregnancy unless they themselves are pregnant! No person gets to decide what happens to another person's body! 

 No person gets to decide what happens to another person's body!

When a woman applies for child support, she is deciding what happens to the man's BODY.   This person must work with his BODY for 18 years to produce income to make those payment.  If he refuses to use his BODY to generate the required payments, then his BODY will go to jail.  The only other choice is to kill his own BODY (suicide).

Men who are ordered to pay child support are basically indentured servants.  They cannot change jobs to a lower-paid but preferred career.  They cannot become disabled, or get laid off, because to do so means they cannot pay the master and they will be jailed.

So as it stands, women CAN decide what happens to a man's body.  Matt Dubay thinks this is wrong, and I agree with him.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:07 pm PDT

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then don't have sex and take chances or go get an operation!
Hey,he said he didn't want to have a baby yet,so I wouldn't advise an operation.but he could have chose to wait for sex when the time was right.If he was in a relationship ,that if a pegnancy happened it would be welcomed by both man an woman.Maybe this can be a lesson fo young people wanting to start having sex.I hope he doesn't get off scotfree,that will only show  young men to be careless is ok.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:07 pm PDT

chidrens right to be children

Hello Dr. Phil,  

Congrates on your show!  I agree with the lawyers and the young man about men not having laws protecting them from becoming fathers.  We women do have many different laws protecting us as mothers and the children as well have many different laws protecting them.  But there is something wrong with the laws protecting children.  At what point in time did we as parent ask our children to be our children.  So what, he will be a great father when he is ready.  Who's to say that his child want to be his child.  Also, when we as responsible adults decide to have unprotected sex, not only are we at risk to get pregnant but you are also at risk of contracting a venereal disease.  If every person that has contracted a venereal disease from their partner sued, the courts would not have time for anything else.  I agree about having some kind of law to protect the men, but once you have gone unprotected or better yet use abstinence to protect you from becoming a father.   That can be the man's law against becoming a father Absinence is the best protector.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:07 pm PDT

ditto

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I am in total agreeance that men SHOULD have a choice. My best friend, who is a male that has never been able to have children, married a lady that was pregnant. His name is now on the baby's birth certificate due to marriage. The couple is on the verge of divorce and now he has to fight to remove his name, if possible, for a child that IS NOT his. I feel that the mother should go after the biological father and not force my friend to continue to play father to a son that is not his. 

  

In addition, my daughter's dad really has nothing to do with our daughter unless it's to his convenience. Men SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE. 

 I agree with you both men should have all the choices women do. Its not a seperate but equal law. Its a law that should be applied to everyone. Men should have the same rights and choices as women. Women  can choose to keep a child men should be given that same right.       side note ladies, there is no such word as agreeance, more like we are all in agreement...
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:08 pm PDT

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I was appalled as I watched the young man who didn't want any parental rights to that beautiful little girl.  Anytime that two people get involved intimately, they have to realize what the outcome could be. Voicing that he did not want to be a father is not enough. He should have used protection or simply not have had sex! Speculating on what the mother may have been thinking, why would she have wanted to abort this child or give it up for adoption when she was probably elated to know that she got pregnant (thinking that she couldn't). These other men who are trying to gain "constitutional" rights for men are ridiculous. I believe that if a judge is ignorant enough to side with them, that many more children will be hurt and not cared for properly because of a bogus new rule. "Oops, I don't want to be a father" is not good enough. When will the young men in our society begin to stand up and be responsible for their actions? As the old adage says, "If you do the crime, you must do the time." Dr. Phil- thanks for telling them like it is!
 I agree with this comment.   If he wins his court case,  who is to say that when he does want to have kids, that after he has them that he decides that  he doesn't  want them anymore and  he figures he  got out of before  so he can do it again.  I think  men should take responsibility for their actions.  How can a man  that hasn't had kids  be so judgemental about  about this  case?  Get a life and take responsibility.
 

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April 21, 2006, 1:08 pm PDT

Men should take responsibility for their body too!

If a man does not want children then regardless of what a women does or says he has to take responsibility to ensure his sperm does not get loose.  It is his sperm, he needs to take care of it and keep it safe.  If he is careless whether it is a woman puts him off guard or not he has to pay for his mistake.  Last I herd there is not an epidemic of sperm steeling sweeping the nation nor has there been an epidemic of involuntary sperm donation.   Most men have complete control of where there sperm are at any given time.

  

 

  

 

  

 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:08 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

As a child free women I can't believe so many people have the reply if you don't want a child don't have sex. That is just insane. Sex is not all about babies. Sex is about being initmate with someone you love and care about. I use protection but it can fail, shoud I never have sex because I don't want a child? Get "fixed" as come people call it. I'd love to but who would "fix" a 22 year old female? No one.  What doctor would give me a tubal? None.

A women has every right to give the child up but a man has to pay. He needs the right to not to be a father just as she had the choice NOT to be a mother. She had her choice, now he should get his.


 
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April 21, 2006, 1:08 pm PDT

Let me have it

I know I'm about to get a lot of negative feedback for my ultra conservative views, especially on the subject of family. In any event, here is my opinion.  

As a woman who had a child, unmarried, and at the age of 20, I now have a strong understanding and firm belief in the "traditional" and biblical views on marriage and family. When we go outside of that plan that God had intended for our society, we begin to run into problems. I strongly believe there is a reason that sex is meant for a husband and a wife. Sex requires a great deal of responsibility and maturity, as well as the deep rooted connection that marriage creates. When a casual sexual encounter produces something as extraordinary as a human life, we are only asking for trouble. Whether it be the man not wanting anything to do with the child, or the woman making the decision to do away with her responsibility by having an abortion. In my opinion, the real issue here is why should ANYONE have the right to chose what happens to a life AFTER it has already been created? If the "freedom to choose" gives one such a feeling of liberty, than why not use that freedom of choice to prevent the life from coming into being to begin with. Why not choose to use the proper precautions if you aren't ready for parenthood? The real victims here are the children, who only want to feel that they have a mom and a dad who love them, and always wanted and wished to have them in their lives. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:09 pm PDT

Justifying Dead Beat Dads

I am a father of three and I have no sympathy for that immature young man who believes he was "forced" into fatherhood.   If he doesn't want children, then he needs to learn to keep it in his pants because that is the only guaranteed way not to cause a pregnancy.  Grow up already and take responsibility for your daughter - she is the one suffering for your infantile behavior!
 
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