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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

How about....

For the men who dont want to have children...Get a vasectomy! Problem solved! Seriously, if all men did this, there might not be so many unwanted children in the world.....NEXT CASE, DR PHIL! 

 

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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

How could you

I cannot belive whatever your name is that you can sit there and watch that beautiful child who is your own flesh and blood and deny her.......it tears my heart apart that there are people like you out there in this world.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

okay well if you dont even claim the baby then why dont you just give up your parental rights.  It's really that simple.  You claim that men dont have any choices when it comes to pregnancy well you do if you made it clear that you did not want any children then you just need to give up your parental rights.  Just because you said you didnt want to have any children does not mean its going to prevent you from having any, so you either need to buck up and deal with it or take care of it the other way. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

a word of "wisdom"?

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 A child is not a miracle to everyone. What about a child free couple, should they  never have sex because they don't want a child?

I am getting married, we have been together for 8 years, we don't want children.  I am not going to never have sex with my fiance becuase we don't want children.
a word of i dunno "wisdom" for an unplanned parent:  Don't not have sex if you don't want kids, but use birth control (whatever you choose) and use it religiously.  always remember that if something is 99% effective that it is 1% ineffective.  i got pregnant on the pill.  that being said, more pregnancies than you think are unplanned and everything works out for the best.  if you had asked me 6 months ago if i thought i could care for a child i probably would have said "i don't know". but everything changes when they're born.  i know it's none of my business, but all i'm saying is you never know.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

baby wars

i think he should have to take care of the baby i don't understand why he thinks he shouldn't have to take care of that baby girl yeah women have rights but so do men they have the right to wear a condom or not so its not all the girls fault that she had HIS baby
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

But you need to accept whatever is to be

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 A child is not a miracle to everyone. What about a child free couple, should they  never have sex because they don't want a child?

I am getting married, we have been together for 8 years, we don't want children.  I am not going to never have sex with my fiance becuase we don't want children.
Sex between the genders was meant for procreation.   If you find that you wish to partake in the expression of your love or passion for each other, you need to accept responsiblility for whatever the outcome of this act.   Every act you do in life does not always produce the outcome you expected.  Just be prepared to accept whatever may be or don't participate in an act that may not meet up with your plans.  HE is the great decider - not you or your fiance.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

Take responsibility for your own choices.

I am in no way religious, so my opinions have nothing to do with religion. But I do believe that once life is created it should not be destroyed. I think abortion should not even be an option unless both the mother and baby would die without it.

  

 

 

  

 

If no child was ever aborted it would be a lot simpler to make the rights of men and women equal, because if the mother didn't want the child the father could have it or vice versa, and if neither wanted to take responsibility they could choose to put the baby up for adoption. However since life isn't like this, you need to set your own rules and guidelines in order to ensure your own wishes are fulfilled.

  

 

 

  

 

In this case the father made the choice to have sex, and he should be prepared to deal with the consequences whether he wants to be a father or not. He could have used condoms, had surgery, or simply not had sex, if he was not prepared to be a father yet. If not being a father was so important to him, he would have made sure that he did not become one, instead of being so careless. It was his decisions to have sex/unsafe sex that got him into this mess. He shouldn’t be saying that he didn’t have choices, because he did, he just chose not to make choices that would be beneficial to him.

  

 

 

  

 

I do believe that the mother shouldn't force him to act as a fatherly figure to this baby since she knew he wouldn't be involved before she became pregnant. But if he was mature enough he would want to.

  

 

 

  

 

In the case of women and men having equal rights in regard to this, I don't think it will ever happen. It isn't possible. There will always be disagreements, and the wants of both parties can't always be met, and ultimately the woman has control over what she does with her own body. Men do have some choice however; they just have to be smart beforehand. 

  

 

  

 

The only thing you can guarantee control over is your own actions in response to what you are given, and your own actions before this even becomes an issue. The only way to get what you want is to live responsibly and make choices that will ensure that you get what you wish for.

  

 

 

  

 

The only way to guarantee that you won't have kids is to not have sex.

  

 

If you have very strong beliefs and values, you should only get with someone who shares and supports them. Love isn't selfish like this guy is being, and sex shouldn't take place without love.

  

 

 

  

 

Like I said I am not religious, but I am a person with morals and standards, and I would never get with anyone who didn't support and respect my beliefs.

  

 

  

 

This man made the wrong choices, and now he has to pay the price for it. He should start accepting that and learn to live with it, instead of trying to place the blame somewhere else.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

This was bound to happen

Dr. Phil,  

I think that this will only cause dead beat dads to refuse to pay child support.  As a single divorced mother my dead beat ex refuses to pay child support.  I believe that if a man can have the concious decision to have sex, he needs to be a man and take responsibility.  Stop being such a dead beat and acknowledge your child.  How is the child supposed to react when she starts asking questions? He knew what he was doing when he had sex with his girlfriend.  It is hard taking care of a child that two people concieved and only one is grown up to take responsibility.  Stop whinning like a kid and be a man.  

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

COME ON PEOPLE !

    WE ALL KNOW  THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF  WOMEN IN  THIS  UGLY  WORLD  THAT HAVE BABY'S   FOR A LIVING  ~  EITHER FOR A  FAT CHILD SUPPORT  CHECK  OR  FOR A   BIGGER WELL-FARE CHECK !   I THINK THAT WOMEN  TAKE ADVANTAGE   OF BEING A WOMEN !   IN THIS CASE  YES SHE IS  WRONG !  HE HAS RIGHTS TOO !   THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS WORLD UGLY !   TOO  MUCH SCANDLE !   WE NEED  MORE RESPECT  !  THANKS ........  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:28 pm PDT

4/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: zakaal

  I think anyone who has consensual sex should pay the consequences.  I had my first child when I was 17 and never once thought about not wanting him, even though I had numerous choices.  His father was ok with it until I took him to court for child support, then I had to prove my son was his.  He pays support but doesn't really want anything to do with him and I prefer that he doesn't. I do think that even though they don't want the child they should still have to pay for the child.  If your not ready don't do it.  No child should have to come into this world not wanted.  Everyone is right, women do have more choices, like what kind of diapers to buy or what kind of formula to get.  If you commit a crime you pay for it, why shouldn't you have to pay for the child you created?

   

I agree 100 percent with this message - anyone who has consensual sex should pay the consequences. Women have more choices, and with those choices comes more responsibility. The actions of this man who does not want to have to pay child support are immature and deplorable. The organization that supports him is portraying a masogynist attitude. And my impression is that his lawyer is in it for the money (doing his job). I have never written in to any television show before, but found myself compelled to challenge this young man's obtuse and selfish attitude. Not ready?  Too late - you had unprotected sex. Now, grow up!  

 
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