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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

I just can't believe this guy!  UGH!!! When a person has sex, whether a man or a woman, they have to face the consequences of the outcome!  It really frustrates me when I see people NOT take responsibility for their actions!  No matter what their actions are! Whats wrong with people now a days? Matt, grow up!  

It's interesting that he thinks he didn't have a choice, but he DECIDED to call a lawyer instead of taking responsibility for his actions!  That was a choice HE made.  Many men refuse to take responsibility of their offspring.  It happens a lot, either after birth or when a divorce occurs.  The only difference is that this guy took it a step further.  Time will tell what this will do to his little girl, his future children, and future relationships.   

Matt, is it just easier to complain about the unexpected things that happen in your life rather than face them like a man?  You infuriate me! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

Is he joking?

If you want to have sex than you should be ready for a baby if you aren't "ready" to be a father than you shouldn't have sex. I am 16 and I understand that, if he can't then it is his problem. If there is a mother willing to take care of the baby then obviously that is where the baby should be. If he didn't want to have a kid then he shouldn't have had sex (period). There is always a chance no matter what kind of protection you are using so just don't do it. That is when a man gets to decide whether or not to become a parent not after the women is already pregnant. At that point it is the women's decisions because she is the one who is going to have to have the baby. If there is a law passed so that men could sit back after the women is pregnant and say no I really didn't want to have that baby then there will be thousands more single mothers who are struggling to provide for their kids. like everybody says hindsights twenty-twentey, so after the act is done and the pleasure gained the man will probably want out of the responsibiliy. If you aren't mature enough to become a parent then you are obviosly not mature enough to have sex. At some point in your life you must understand that the world doesn't revolve around you and when you have a kid you must put them first, so any time you have sex your thoughts should be on the possibility that a child may come into your life.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

When Dads want an Abortion

Yep... one way out of child support is to abort the innocent victim - the child.  Bad enough, many women suffer post-abortion effects, and some men suffer as well when this happens without their consent to their children.  But with this double-edged sword, for those guys that insist on abortion after they've enjoyed the benefits of procreation, I find it very fitting that the requirement be that they are in the room while their child is being aborted.  It's only fair, because by no means should Dad sit on the couch while a woman is in labor either.  But life isn't fair, is it?  So, congratulations Dad - kids have no sense of timing... and that includes being conceived!!!  

   

By the way, I find that most people change their tune after they get to know their beautiful children.  Especially when they're on their death-bed and these kids help take care of them in their old age.  Not to mention the aftereffects of a decision... looking at your kids and always knowing there should be one more.  My daughter, although her father totally ignored her during her childhood, finally came around, but not before her father became disabled with a debilitating disease and also had become a single parent from another relationship.  He was one, not to me, that whined of the abortion solution to others regarding her.   (I found this out much later.)    

   

My daughter babysits for her half-brother now when her father's feeling bad - despite how she was treated.  Luckily, they did not have to take their suffering or guilt to their graves.  Of course, you know I urged her to get to know her Dad better as a young adult and to put the poor relationship behind them before it was too late.  The plan was occaisionally stopping by his house with a plate of dinner to feed him, like coaxing a stray cat.  -  Finally, it's all behind them, and she fully enjoys her new half-brother as a blessing.  Her family is complete, and her father no longer has to alienate himself.   An added bonus:  I can rest now, too, and quit worrying about them.  

   

So you Dads that have a problem with the results of your sexual relationships, weigh one hand of gold against the hand holding your child's... and tell us truthfully - which really feels right, and better?  

   

   

   

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

Whats wrong with abstanance????

I have not even made it through the entire show yet, however really felt the need to reply to this topic. I think Matt is a very immature and selfish person. I agree he is not ready to be a father. However if he's mature enough to have sex then I feel he should be mature enough to know protection needs to be in place for both parties! When a women says I'm on the pill, the reply should be "great but lets be extra careful and use a condom". I do not believe this is an issue of "being a father" but rather the fact he is financially responsible as well as the mother is. Sure he's paying support but does he know he is still getting off easy? Who will be there for the child through all of the ups and downs, good times and bad, cuts and bruises, fevers and chills? I'm disgusted with Matt and his lawyer and the other "goof" ball that was sitting along side them. Whoa is me poor Matt....com on man do you really think you got the raw end of the deal? Also I want to add and reply to his statement "well she has the choice, of adoption, abortion or to give it to someone else". That made my jaw fall to the floor! Its not a puppy Matt, its a baby! Wanted or not wanted, its a baby a part of your flesh. How can anyone say well a woman has all of these "options"? Sure there are options but not all woman agree with all of the available options. Some feel I had sex, I made a baby, it was my choice and I will provide for my child and do the best I can.
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

Not wanting to be a Daddy

I think if your man or woman enough to lay in bed and make a baby you should be man or woman enough to except the responsibility.  Obviously it was God's will for this child to be born he should accept his responsibility and enjoy that child.  One never knows it might not be here tomorrow then how would he feel???  He may not be blessed enough to have another one. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

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Quote From: brenda301

 I feel that if Matt wasn't ready to be a father then he shouldn't have participated in the act.  Even with multiple birth control methods accidents happen and the only sure method is for the guy to keep his pants up and zipped. 
He should be ashamed of the fact that he is not a part of that beautiful little girl's life - one that God believed was special enough to share.

AMEN! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

I was a victim

Yes sure, I could have wore a condom, but she claimed she was on the pill and didnt want me to wear one. I was 18 and not that smart I guess. And guess what? She turned up pregnant. I was not ready to father a child and I wanted her to have an abortion. She was all for having a baby and demanded we get married. I nearly did it. My grandmother talked me out of "doing the right thing". Later the girl admitted to me that she had the pills but was throwing them away and that she desparately wanted to get married to me and she thought  the baby would force the issue. Since she was poor she filed for state assistance and they of course forced me to pay child support and provide insurance. Later I grew up a little and wanted to know my child. But the mother was in a series of controlling relationships where her men felt "threated" by my visitation rights. I went to court over and over at great cost to reaffirm my rights, but the mother would just move to differrent locations to hide the child from me. Sometimes my visitaion attempts resulted in physical altercations with the mothers boyfriends. I was powerless. The police would do nothing. When the child became a teenager....the mother was in a relationship that the man didnt feel threatened by me. The child became a discipline problem and suddenly mommy wanted me to assert authority over this kid. Dont get me wrong...I love my daughter dearly, and I am now a grandfather at 40 years old (very premature). My rights were meaningless. I had no rights. No cards to play. No control over anything. I was just a source of income and a sperm donor. Now my daughter is grown with 2 children of her own, divorced from an abusive husband, struggling, broke, uneducated, and she has zero of my values.  
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:45 pm PDT

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The young man should be able to file suit against the mother for misreprentation, especially if the mother does not have a proven medical condition.  It is disturbing if she in fact misled him changing the entire course of his life.  The problem becomes, "if he doesn't pay for the child", we as taxpayers may burden a financial impact if the mother needs government assistance.  I see his point and truley support his position, but we as a society should not be responsible for "him trusting her".  We all make mistakes we are responsible for.  On the flip side of that is, women do make choices as a result of roe v. wade and society can still be burdened if public assistance is needed.  Where do you draw the line.  Since her misrepresentation had a financial impact on him (since he now has to pay child support), he should file suit against her for damages. 

He should file suit against her for damages? because he had unprotected sex and has to pay child support? OK well then I hope that his DAUGHTER sues him for damages!! 

  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:46 pm PDT

hmm...

i am a 21 yr old mom...im pregnant with my second child....even though im young i would never deny my child of a life...guys should take care of there responsibilities whether they are ready for fatherhood or not....you will never know when you will be ready for that kind of responsibility...i wasn't ready when i was eighteen but im a great mom to a beautiful 2 yr old...having my daughter didnt stop me from stilling completing my dreams in life...it might of put things on hold but in the end its all worth it....im still in school and i work....and i do it all for my daughter and my soon to be second child....whether a guy is ready or not he needs to be a man and step up to the plate and take on his responsibilities. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:46 pm PDT

being a father

If he really believes what he says then it goes both ways...he does not have the right to tell her what to do with the child. He had sex with her and if you play you have to accept the consequences no matter what you are doing. Birth control has been proven not to be 100% and he knew that going in. How dare him try to get out of his responsibility by trying to plead ignorance. I am sure he enjoyed participating but now he doesn't want to accept the outcome. That is the problem with kids now a days, they don't take any responsibility for their actions. 
 
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