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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

doesnt want to be a father

OK we all know they both should have been more responsible to begin with both thought they didnt want to be parents but things change and apparently they have so what they should have done no longer comes into affect. 

  

I think if they dont want to be a father then make then sign over ALL rights in 5-10 yrs when father grows up he should not be allowed to come back in and say ok daiper changing is done getting up all hours of the night is done now they are older and i want to be a father. 

Maybe you can force to to be a father but you cant force him to be a good one! 

Make him sign over ALL rights get him out of the pic and move on he WILL lose in the end he will lose great wonderful things  MOM will see these and get the benefits from these. 

  

I say make him sign over all rights and forget his money! 

  

I have a 11 yr old and his brith father is just that ONLY a dad when he wants to be court ordered child support he moved to another state ive spent thousands and never got anywhere he is over 13,000.00 behind yet he still gets to come around when he chooses. 

You will find someone else who will love this little girl as their own and the two of you will reap all the benefits the birth father will lose! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

Grow up

  

1.  Wear a condom  

2.  Take care of your child  

3.  If you don't wear a condom, refer to Rule #2 !  

  

Ok, so he had no plans of becoming a father.  Did she have plans of becoming a mother?  No. But apparently she rose to the challenge and took responsibility for her actions.  Why can't he?   Should a man have a "say" as to an abortion, adoption or birth?  Sure.  And the woman should weigh his opinion carefully.  However, when it comes right down to it, she's carrying the child.    

  

More importantly, once the baby is born and is here, that child is no longer a theory or a topic to be discussed, it's reality ! After the horse has left the barn, it's a bit too late to say, OOPS!   Deal with reality. This baby is here and deserves her biological father (even if he does have his priorities messed up.)  At least give it a shot, and see the baby, hold her, TRY. He might be surprised at the feelings that come up.    

  

This is just another attempt for men to get out of paying child support.  I hope that he loses this lawsuit because every so-called father will come out of the woodwork claiming they didn't want a child so that they can get out of their RESPONSIBILITIES. It's not just about  financial responsibility, but what happened to men who take the moral responsibility of being a part of their child's life?  Think about the child, not themselves.  It takes a REAL man to do that.  Let's have some more of those around!  Instead of shirking RESPONSIBILITIES, own up to them!    

  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Oh, do I agree with you!  Men out there who are big enough to have sex, should be big enough to father a child!  If this creep thinks he's got a chance in this world and with   

God, then he needs to take full responsibility for this little girl.  Because, look out!  She will come and find him in the future and make him feel like the fool he is!    

  

I do agree with many of the posts that it is unfortunate that it has come to this.  However, I can't help but wonder why is it that you are blaming him?  This woman knew EXACTLY what she was doing.  Why would you have unprotected sex with a man that has told you numerous times that he did not want to be a father.  She made the choice to have this child all the while knowing that he did not.  So she should have to deal with HER choice and raise the child without his help.  

  

Women have fought for years for control over their bodies and reproductive right.  So it is now time to accept the responsibilities of those rights.  And if it is ultimately her choice, then it is ultimately her responsibility. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

too bad for him!

 IF HE FOR SURE 100% DID NOT WANT TO BE A FATHER HE SHOULD BE A VIRGIN! THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE CAN GUARANTEE TO BE BABY FREE IS BY BEING SINGLE AND NOT SEXUALLY ACTIVE, OTHERWISE FOR MEN THOSE RIGHTS JUST NO LONGER EXSIST, BECAUSE A WOMAN CANNOT GET PREGNANT BY HERSELF IT TAKES A MAN! THATS WHY WE WOMEN HAVE MORE RIGHTS!! IT WOULD BE AN ONGOING WAR TO DECIDE WHAT MAN DID REALLY WANT TO BE A FATHER OR NOT ITS JUST NOT REALISTIC! HE SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX PLAN IN SIMPLE!!!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

GIVE ME A BREAK

Oh come on MAtt!!  YOU made the choice to have UNPROTECTED intercourse,  knowing full well that the ONLY way not to get pregnant was ABSTINENCE!!!  Therefore,  YOU are just as responsible for the child you created.  Step up to the plate and be a man!!  Taking this to court is the stupidest idea men have come up with yet.  I suppose men are going to start using this as an excuse for them to spread their demon spawn all over the world and not have to be responsible for them.  They just have to use the excuse,  "I told her I was not ready to be a father."  You don't want to be a father,  DON"T HAVE SEX!! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

Husband on Strike

I found this story quite interesting because my husband is just the opposite!  He is constantly begging me to allow our three kids to sleep in the bed with us!  They would be there every night if it were up to him!  It is hard to believe that my husband is in the minority of husbands/fathers!  I love it! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:56 pm PDT

father not taking responsibility

  I certainly hope our legal system tells this young man where to go.  His control of being a parent is with the use of a condom, and the careful choice of who you have sex with.  If he feels this strongly on the issue, then he should choose partners that feel the same way or not have sex.  The sacrifice that this young lady is going to make to be a  single parent far outweigh whatever financial responsibility the court lays on him.  She has more at stake, and should have more to say about whether this child enters the world and whether she is going to raise the baby.   

  

The choice to have sex has with it certain risks.  Everyone understands those risks.  There are risks for women and for men, and frankly the risks for women are not "equal under the constitution".  The one and only risk for young men is that you may end up supporting a child that you have no desire to have.  That is the risk.  He took it, and frankly he should provide the financial support.   

 
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04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: bwisdom

Why do women get all of the chocies? Yes we ALL know what causes pregnacy and we all know how to prevent it. But WHY IN THE WORLD DO WOMEN GET ALL THE CHOCIES? Yeah, I know... It's your body. Well it's his life also. And no it's not the baby's fault, it's the man and woman's fault. Yet the woman has a choice to have or not have the baby. (Either way the child will be effected. By not having a father or having one who dosen't want him/her.) What if we start thinking about the tables being turned? What if the man wants the baby but the woman wants to have an abortion? What then? If women have choices, men should have choices. We as women want to be equals. We have faught for so long, and are still fighting, for our rights to be considered equals. Yet, we want to have the rules one way when it's in our favor and the other way when it's not??!! We can't have it both ways. We either consider the child a child and treat this child as if it were out of the womb OR we decide it's a choice and it's not a child until post-womb. We can't have both. We can't be selfish just because it's our bodies, just because we're the womb. Either it's a choice or it's not! After that is decided, then if it's a choice the man should have his choice, if it's not a choice and it's a child, then a father he should be able to refuse or use his parential rights! Brandy W, KS
Men get this first big choice: unzip or keep it zipped. If the man decides to unzip, then he loses all rights to any choices if there are any consequences.

No one has any choices if they get AIDS... why should they have any choices if they have a child? Your choice to have sex means you fully understand the ramifications of your actions. So sad, too bad, you had a kid, now deal with it. You don't get to have your cake and eat it too...
 
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April 21, 2006, 1:57 pm PDT

Entrapment

  This sounds like entrapment to me. Us women do have more choices then men do, choose to abort, put up for adoption, or drop baby off at a safe haven, (hospital or fire dept.)  without the fathers consent.  I know of a few girls who trapped their boyfriends  by getting pregnant. And using a condom to prevent pregnacy is NOT 100% . We all know that.   

 I have children myself and I love them with all my heart. But I do believe  Matt has a point!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 1:57 pm PDT

Rowe VS Wade for Men

I am a mother of two little girls, my fiance and their father is also the father of another child, a boy. This child was concieved unknowingly according to my fiance. The woman purposly got  pregnant, aft. telling him that she was indeed on the pill. Now there is a child that we/he is responsible for. I do care and love this child, as does he. However, I do feel that it my fiance shouldn't have to pay childsupport to his mother. This is an unfortunate situation that shouldn't have happened, but did. I think that we should be allowed to see him but have no financial responsiblities to him, unless HE wanted to. It's true, men have no rights when it comes to this and in some cases, such as mine and the one on your show, the should. I do know that if this case goes through, my fiance will attempt the same here in WI. Fair is fair and the law is the law. We are all equal, no if and's or but's about it.  

  

Stacy 

 
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