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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

when a man can have a baby

while I was watching the show, I keep hearing that Matt didn't want to be a father yet. If he didn't want to become a father why didn't both parties use birth control the whole time they were having sex.  He also wants to have the same rights as women do.  I want him to have a baby. Some men have no idea how much of toll it is on a woman body to be pregant. Bottom line is if he don't want to become a father why is he having unprotected sex? I think that this lawsuit is just another way for men to father children and then say I don't want them because I was not ready to become a father. they both made a choice to have sex.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

wrong

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I disagree that she must have misled him.  I too was told that I would not be able to have children due to a tumor on my pituitary gland.  Sure enough though, three months later I was pregnant.  I never misled my husband.  I gave him all the info that I had and he made the choice to not wear protection.  Thank God he saw it as the miracle that it was and today we are happily married with two great children!!

He totally had the choice.  No sex, condum, pull out!   

He made her pregnant.!  Maybe she didnt want to have a baby yet either .  But she stepped up to the plate and is doing the right thing.  Everyone is forgetting is the one with the sperm.  Hello 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

Food for thought

When I was in college back in the late 90's I was told this story.  I don't know the names, or when it happened and I have not verified the location.  This was told by my sociology proffessor Dr Johnson at the University of Cincinnati who stated it was a true story. 

There was a couple on a double date at the drive in.  As couples do at the drive in, so did they.  The couple in the front had a condom and used it.  Not to miss out on the mood of the evening the couple in the back wanted fornicate as well, but did not have a condom.  Seeing as they did not believe in unprotected sex, they obtained the condom used from the couple in the front seat and used it for their protection.  You guessed it.  The woman in the back had a baby; however it was from the man in the front seat.  The woman took the man in the back seat to court for child support.  He claimed he should not have to pay because it was not his baby.  The biological father claimed he should not have to pay because he did not have sex with the woman.   

I am not sure how the case turned out. I am curious as to who should have to pay in that instance.  

I submitting this because, I believe it has relivence to the issue of men being treated unfairly with child support. There are many other examples of how men are being treated unfairly.  The laws need to be changed to benefit all parties involved.   I do believe that a child should have support from the mother and father.  There has to be a better way to do it, then there is now. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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She said it all!
Can a Brother get an Amen!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

Can someone say Vasectomy?

Today the topic "Baby Wars" really got to me. The poor excuse for an adult male today should be smacked up-side his head by his mother AND father. If he wants to maintain control of unplanned pregnancies, he should have had a vasectomy or other form of MALE BIRTH CONTROL (at the very least - withdrawal). I am tired of men always expecting the women to provide birth control methods past the condom. Now that he's a "father", I feel very sorry for his child who WILL one day learn about all of this legal and public refusal to be her father. That is a pain that no child should ever have to feel. And it's one that will never heal. Lord be with them.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

baby wars

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I'm sorry but I can't believe the nerve of the girl. If you sit there and tell a guy that there is no way you can get pregnant and convince him not to use protection, and he flat out told you he was not ready to have a child, if you get pregnant it is your problem. Yes in an ideal world it would be nice for the guy to be in his kids life, but no one has the right to force him into it. The girl took it upon herself to have the kid, she should grow up and take responsibility for the kid by herself, if she can't do that then she should of terminated the pregnancy or put the kid up for adoption.  The thing that irritates me is that the girl sued him for child support.  

If you take the responsibility of brining a child into this world, you yourself need to be able to take care of the child, and not rely on someone you cannot depend on or ask for handouts.   

If you bring a child into this world you need to have a secure and stable household, so the child can have a safe and happy home.  

This guy should definitely not have to pay child support! he said he could no take care of the baby, he has no legal bind to the woman, so she needs to step up and take care of her child by herself, she is the one who decided to keep the baby even though the boy and her were not together and stop relying on a man for financial support.  

Honestly I believe that she somehow believes that by making him pay child support will somehow get this guy back in her life. It really irritates me how some women act so helpless and pathetic.  

What man needs to be convinced into not using a condom?  Granted I have only slept with one man in my life, but I believe him when he says that it's much better without.  This young woman had info that she couldn't get pregnant.  Turn the tables around and say he has the sterility problem.  What if by some choice she gets pregnant?  Would it still be the woman's fault?  Should he be responsible then?  She would'nt have had to convince him to not wear a condom then. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

Get off of the roof and help

I have two young children that I have brought in the bed with me sometime or another.  I think if the dad has a problem with the way the wife handles the children at night than he should help her not criticize her methods.  He should get up and rock, feed the child or whatever works to get the child to sleep and put him or her in their crib.  The mother obviously has problem seperating with the child but I bet she would love a little sleep by herself.  The father seems to forget what a tough job it is to be at home with children all day.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:02 pm PDT

Roe VS Wade

There should be a pre-Sex agreement between partners that details what each partner will consider as options if a child should be conceived.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:03 pm PDT

Think about it!?!?!?

I feel for the male guest that is fighting a legal battle (to get out of child support), I agree completely with his defense.  Since the girl lied to him and made the decision to have the baby on her own,she should be responsible.  WHY should one be forced into parenthood ESPECIALLY if it was clear in the beginning that he/she didn't want children?  He has been upfront and honest about his position and should not be forces to go against it. 

You ask about the child?  Well shame on the girl for doing that (being so selfish)  in the first place.  She says that she will do whatever to take care of her baby...well then she needs to do it!  

You cannot force a person into parenthood! 

   

*Also change the situation to where the female got pregnant, the male wanted the unborn child BUT the female didn't: 

She could easily abort the child, not allowing the male a chance at parenthood or that child a chance at life!!!!  Neither the male or child would have a say so. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:03 pm PDT

Dead beat dad

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Oh, do I agree with you!  Men out there who are big enough to have sex, should be big enough to father a child!  If this creep thinks he's got a chance in this world and with   

God, then he needs to take full responsibility for this little girl.  Because, look out!  She will come and find him in the future and make him feel like the fool he is!    

This young man should be ashamed of himself.  I think he is very selfish in his thinking.  If he did not want a baby sh should have abstained, as this is the only sure way to prevent getting pregnent.  I feel for this young woman as I went through the same thing in 1958 I know how it feels to have the father not want to have anything to do with his own child.  I hope the Judge finds in her favor as it might not do any good but at least she will know she did the right thing.  Seeing the picture of the girl and her baby you can tell she loves her little girl and will do a great job raising her.  Don't count on help from this dead beat.  Be proud of her and tell her every day how much you love her .  I did and my son is now a Major in the USAF and a great father,husband and Son.  Thank you for letting me vent.  .         
 
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