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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:19 pm PDT

Take Responsibility for your actions!!

I am bewildered by this man who has brought a lawsuit to get out of taking responsibility for his child.  First of all, I would like to correct one thing that they stated on your show.  They stated that a man has no choice if their child is given up for adoption.  That is not true.  Both parents have to sign on giving up thier child for adoption or at least a man can contest it.  I know this because that is what happened with my brother's baby.  He contested and got his little boy back.  The other thing I wanted to state was that he keeps stating that he did chose to be a father at this time.  Well, this baby did not chose to be born to him either.  How fair is that?  Are we gonna start suing God for unplanned events like a heart attack or a tornado that swept our house away?  Why people are refusing to take responsibility for their actions is crazy and is a bad model for our children.  I hope that the courts do not allow him to get away with this.  He may realize one day that this baby is a blessing and not a mistake. 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:19 pm PDT

This guy is a complete moron......

For this guy to think that he has no right just because he had un-protected sex and the woman got pregnant, and he wasen't ready like Dr. Phil said what about condems! Men have the right to always protect themselves......I mean was he thinking beyond just a baby? What about all the sexually transmitted diseases that are out there, he should be thankfull he has a child and didn't perhaps catch HIV or any other STD. I'm not saying the woman he was with was infected, but these days you never know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So he has a child now he needs to grow up and take the responsibility for his actions! I was 17 when I got pregnant, my boyfriend was almost 19 and persuing medical school. Did that stop us! No we made a decision to have unprotected sex and took responsibility for it. Our son is now 6 and his father just graduated from nursing school last spring and plans to continue his career futher into the medical field, as I plan to continue to persue my law degree. We did this while being young going to school and taking great care of our child!!!!!!! I hope this show was a lesson for men out there that in the heat of the moment don't care. And you know what if you want to be real safe use a condom and buy the girl a diaphram! My mother has 5 kids after her third she didn't want anymore, so her husband at the time went to the doctors to talk about getting fixed, they told him he couldn't have children the the procedure wasen't nessecary. A year later my mom ended up pregnant, even though medically they were told he couldn't have kids, and yes this child is his paternally! So even as far as we are with medical science you can never be sure! What about all these guys out here who get women pregnant, girlfriends or wife.... and want the baby and are over joyed about becoming a father the baby comes somthing later on goes sour in the relationship, breakups, divorce, and the man skips out like he was never involved with the woman and totally forgets about his child or children????????? How fair is that to these women who are left to raise these children on their own, and how unfair is it that a little boy has to grow up without his father because the coward runs away or gives up caring? So they might still have to pay child support, but showing the child a check saying this is from your father and that's all the kid knows!!!!!!!SAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have a 15 year old brother who's dad pays $15.00 a week in child support, calls once in a great while to say hi, doesn't ask how he's doing in school or anything, and my mother was with his father for 2 years before they got pregnant he was happy and then they were together for another 3 years after he was born. And his dad turns out to be a worthless father! You just never know so it is everyone responsibility to protect themselves......#1 from STD's #2 having children they don't want! The pill, shot and other forms of birthcontrol don't always work, even condoms somtimes fail us! So the mans right is to protect his self, if he gets a girl pregnant and doesn't want it, that doesn't give him the right to try to make her have an abortion or give the child up that she just carried for 9 months! That's selfish and sick of a man to think like that. I wish men could get pregnant, I'd like to see a man carry a child for 9 months and give birth, let alone make the emotional decision to abort a living part of you and live with that for the rest of your life! Goes to show that this guy has no feelings or morals! I wish the best of luck to this girl and hope she finds a real man to love that cute baby and that jerk gives up his perental rights!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:20 pm PDT

You have got to be kidding me......

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I'm sorry but I can't believe the nerve of the girl. If you sit there and tell a guy that there is no way you can get pregnant and convince him not to use protection, and he flat out told you he was not ready to have a child, if you get pregnant it is your problem. Yes in an ideal world it would be nice for the guy to be in his kids life, but no one has the right to force him into it. The girl took it upon herself to have the kid, she should grow up and take responsibility for the kid by herself, if she can't do that then she should of terminated the pregnancy or put the kid up for adoption.  The thing that irritates me is that the girl sued him for child support.  

If you take the responsibility of brining a child into this world, you yourself need to be able to take care of the child, and not rely on someone you cannot depend on or ask for handouts.   

If you bring a child into this world you need to have a secure and stable household, so the child can have a safe and happy home.  

This guy should definitely not have to pay child support! he said he could no take care of the baby, he has no legal bind to the woman, so she needs to step up and take care of her child by herself, she is the one who decided to keep the baby even though the boy and her were not together and stop relying on a man for financial support.  

Honestly I believe that she somehow believes that by making him pay child support will somehow get this guy back in her life. It really irritates me how some women act so helpless and pathetic.  

For one I hate to be the one to break it to you but it doesnt take a lot of convincing for a guy to not use protection. You make it sound like she made this big presentaion about her condition.  Which I am sure didnt happen. Second of all I seriousy doubt the conversation they had about having kids didnt take more than 5 minuets. And thats with kissing inbetween words. I also think that it is not the girls right to have child support. It is the CHILDS right. That child no matter how it came into the world has a right to support even if the father decided that he dont want that child. Do you have kids? Because I have 5 and one of them is my step daughter and one is a daughter that I had previous to my marriage.  Are all you people saying that if my husband chose to leave me then he could just go and not be held responsible for the children that we have? That all he would have to say is that he didnt want them in the first place? Cause if Matt wins this that is what this is all going to come down to. If you have sex then you have to pay the consequences. And Matt had sex no matter what she said WITHOUT protection. If he was that against having kids then he should have protected himself.  Helpless and Pathetic??? Thats exactly how he is acting.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:20 pm PDT

Abstination is absolutely the answer

The only answer is abstaining from having sex.  We know from other people that it is possible to get pregnant even with protection so if you are not having sex at all then there is no possible way to impregnate or get pregnant.  Deadbeat dads is another subject. 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:20 pm PDT

Simplest Fairest Solution

I am a somewhat young father, and at the age of 24 I have two children. One daughter and one son. I would like to begin with I will make my argument as unbiased as possible. In fact I feel there is only one perspective that is unbiased, and that's the perspective on the child. I'll also say before I begin, that I love my children more than life itself. In fact I am holding my son right now as I type this message while his mother is at work at her partime job.  

   

The simplest solution, and indeed is the best choice should involve all the parties involved. There is an quote by an unknown author that states : "That which affects all, should be decieded by all." There is no greater decision that that of child birth and should be agreed upon by both parents plain and simple. If one parent does not want to have the child, there should be no child. Of course all measusres should be taken to prevent this. Refraining from sex, using a condom, birth control, even abortion. What ever that case, there should never be a time where one party involved should have to sacrifice there opinion, or in this case be completely powerless.  

   

All other agruments are too self righteous. "If he didn't want a baby he shouldn't have had sex." "Mother's get the lions choice because they do the lion's share of the work." Forgive me if I am an idealist, but I was under the impression that both parents should share the work and thus the choices. I attended every pre-natal visit, every hospital visit, every birthing class, every aspect of my childrens lives, I've been there. I've give my last amount of money to by diapers, bottles, milk, onesies, blankets, gas in her car and what ever else is necessary because that's what I'm supposed to do as a parent. Now you'll have to forgive me if I disagree with the fact that becase I didn't carry my children, or can't carry my would-be children, I should have less say in their lives. That is ridiculous! I would not trade either of my kids for the world, however, make no mistake that I did not want either of them at the time that they were concieved. I stand on that as well. If the time arises I'll have no problem telling my children as well. It still should not and will not allow that to dictate the amout of choice making power I have.  

   

I say that because I completely understand what Matt is saying. Men should have a choice, just as women do. In fact, perhaps if women had more children with fathers who were willing and ready to have kids, there might not be as many "dead beat dads"  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:20 pm PDT

COPOUT

I think it is a definite COPOUT on his part that he can't stand up and say, "Yes, I am the baby's father, and yes, I will take care of it."  The bottom line is, he doesn't want to pay child support!  He is going through all the legal hassle just to get out of paying for a child he created, wether or not she could have children!!  He should keep it in his pants, if he doesn't want children!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:21 pm PDT

Choices

  I agree that men need a choice concerning a baby. But the choice should be made before the sex act is performed. As a wise person told my son. "If you can't do the time- don't do the crime" My son got the point and choose to keep the sex act as a pleasant pleasureable time beteween him and his wife. In this time era- there is too much pressure to have sex before marriage resulting in unwanted pregnancy's and an alarming increase in sexually transmitted diseases. It's time to take responsibility for our actions. If you don't want children- then have yourself fixed and then all you have to worry about is the diseases you can get. Don't punish the baby you created. Sex is( as it is in animals ) for procreation. Think before you unzip your pants and then you have made a choice and won't have to worry about later choices.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:21 pm PDT

Are you people Serious???

How can you people actually side with that man that doesn't want anything to do with his son??  You can see how cold he is by not even holding is son yet, and its not like he didn't know what a possible outcome is..duh a baby. This case will just do women that actually need the child support no good.  Every man that got a woman knocked up on a one night stand will come up with some other stupid reason while they shouldn't have to pay up...So if this guy and use the line "I didn't sign up to be a parent" can other people use the line I was drunk I didn't know what I was doing..They both sound just as stupid if you ask me.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:21 pm PDT

Women need to watch out for themselves.

I am the ONLY one responsible for my actions, and the ONLY one in charge of my own destiny.  Be smart and don't get yourself STUCK in such careless situations.  USE your brain - THINK ahead - make SMART choices!!  Thats what I think... thats what I tell my daughter EVERY DAY after a kiss on the cheek. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:22 pm PDT

Is it fair????

I'm not trying to sound like i'm all for the dead beat dads, because I see such men as pathetic. But I kinda see where the boy is coming from. Young teen girls, for some reason have a strong so called "need" to have a child. and sometimes they will do and say anything to get that. That even goes for some adult women. I'm not sure what went on in the room with those two young people, but I do bleive she did say that she couldn't have children. When a teenage boy is in a room with a naked girl and a hard penis and the absolute assurance the he's gona get some, their thinking diminishes, and will believe what she says. I can understand this because I was placed in a simular situation. When I was seventeen, a girlfriend I had just started going steady with. we were sexually active. I was a verry cautious kid. I used protection all the time. One day she confided in me and said that she was incapable of getting pregnate because she was molessted as a child. And I believed her. She knew that I was afraid of beeing a father at that time. And had no inttention of having a child. One day when we were about to have sex she didn't want to use a condom. I figured since she cant get pregnate, why not. one month later. She tells me she is pregnate. and I'm in the very situation I didn't want to be in. Did I make a mistake? Yes. And was I tricked? Yes. Don't worry I stepped up to the plate to take care of my buisiness, but I was also forced into that situation.    

   

At the end of all this, there is nothing we as men can do about it. regardless of the situation in which conception happend. Many women do this. I'm not saying all. But many. and after its done. we have absolutely no coices in what to do. and the women get all the choices.. And the men pay the child support. I don't think its fair that people can just say since you din't use protection, You just have to deal with it. We should have choices in what should happend only in the condition we were trapped.. The young lady admited that she told him these things. He should have a choice if he wants to be in the child's life or not. How he could denie his child knowing its in his reach, I don't know. Thats the only thing Crazy to me. But he should have that constitutional right. She made him believe that she couldn't have children. Said she was on birth control. For sure hes gona take the comdom off. He was a kid. Kids are Kids. Immature, kids. Hormones temporarily destroys a kids mind, for a few minutes. The boy thought he was taking precautions, by actually talking with the girl. Regargless of how Nieve he was, he doesn't deserve to be striped of all choices to be made.    

   

On my final note. The boy does need to man up and take care of this child. that is the right thing to do. My argument is only, in this particular situation he should be able to choose if he is going to do the right thing.   

 
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