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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:23 pm PDT

being treated differently

 I don't think the best argument for this case is  "the law treats men and women differently"... the big problem with that is it's BIOLOGY that treats men and women differently! 

Based on that, it wouldn't be fair for them to have the same rights. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:23 pm PDT

she lied!!

How many men have been trapped by such deceit?? As a woman -- I think she should take COMPLETE responsibility for this child.  SHE wanted it - she should take care of it.  I'll bet you a million she didn't like condoms and resisted that ... she knew exactly what she was doing.  I'm behind you, Matt.  I lost an old boyfriend years ago by the same trickery -- he was trapped into parenthood and married the gal out of guilt.  Matt's baby would have been better off with two parents who CHOSE to have her.  Shame on the girl. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:23 pm PDT

Ridiculous

Matt is absolutely irresponsible. If he was so adamant about not wanting to be a father, he had the choice to abstain from sex. What a shame it will be when that beautiful little girl grows up and learns that her daddy didn't want her! 

As Dr. Phil says, "Sometimes we make the right decision, and sometimes we make the decision right!" 

Matt didn't want to be a father, but guess what--he is. That's it. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:23 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I can't believe what I am reading. Some of you are actually agreeing with Matt.  Are you out of your mind. It doesn't matter that he said he didn't want to be a father. He laid down and had sex, without a condom!!!  She didn't trick him into anything.  The birth control pill is never 100%. If he had any smarts at all, he would have put on a condom. What does he think the act of sex is supposed to be anyways. It was intended to be for reproduction. Yes, she could've had an abortion, but then she would've had to go through life feeling guilty. Unless Matt was somehow unaware that sex could produce a baby, then he is completely responsible for being a father, no matter what. He shouldn't be allowed to have any more children since he is acting so foolish. I respect his ex-girlfriend for stepping up to the plate and taking care of this precious child that is in the middle of this horrible situation.  Hopefully that mother will find a good man that can be a father to this child since the biological father is useless. Matt, you should feel so ashamed for acting like this.  Many children are unplanned, yet so many parents take responsibility. Why can't you? 

Would you feel this way if she wanted to "step up to the plate" and ABORT the child????  I bet not.  

What if Matt wanted the child?  Wouuld you want to give him those RIGHTS?    I have this feeling that the people backing the mother are all pro-Life.   This isn't about choice for you. 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:24 pm PDT

Did I hear him right??????

Did that lawyer actually say that this case would not open the door for deadbeat dads to stop paying for their babies....quote  "just like a lot of people were afraid that Roe v Wade was going to mean a lot of babies would be aborted, but it didn't have that ripple effect".   HUH?????  Roe v Wade DIDN'T have a "ripple effect" (more like a tidal wave) of abortions coming after it???  This is lawyer-talk, changing the truth to say exactly the opposite.   

   

And he can not possibly believe that if this selfish, immature little boy gets away with saying "I didn't want it so I shouldn't have to deal with it" that no one else will use that legal precedent,  which will then put women in an even worse place economically and sociologically, and allow those men who choose to be irresponsible and selfish to put the entire burden on the mother legally.  This cannot be allowed to happen - it will be a tragedy and a crime, to the women and the children who will be born into poverty or to a life of struggle, without fathers - or who will not be born at all, because of the ability of  self-centered "fathers" to duck their responsibilites.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:25 pm PDT

dead beat man

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Why doesn't the "forced" father just sign his rights away? If he has no legal claim to the child then he shouldn't have to pay child support. If he is seeking visitation, then he should just shut up and foot the bill. I don't know what state they are from but I am from TX, and in TX you can sign your rights away or have your wages garnished.  

What upsets me is the fact that people forget that the baby is here.  This man and woman both decided to have sex, as always there is always a chance that a baby will be created.   And the fact that this man does not want to pay child support to this woman is crazy.  She has to pay more money than him to raise this child and she has to deal with all the responsbilitys that come along with raising a child.  And the most important fact is that the money is not for the mother, its for the CHILD.   This child did not ask to be brought in to the world, therefore she should not have to do it all by herself.  Both parents should take a part in raising her, and if he doesn't want to be part of her life then fine, but he should help with the financial part, because he did have a choice in the fact to have unprotected sex!@!@!!!@
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:25 pm PDT

men have a choice

men have a choice as to whether they have kids or not..... it's called abstinence. 

women have the same choice. 

he wanted to play adult games, but doesn't want the adult responsibility that comes with that decision. 

the guy is a deadbeat dad!   what a rediculously selfish child who doesn't have the brains to think through his options.  get a vasectomy! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:25 pm PDT

idiot sperm donors

I can't believe that the men on your "baby wars" show actually had the nerve to show their smug, ugly faces on television, worse yet, to spout off their ultra-misogynistic belly-aching as the argument for equal rights and laws concerning unwanted parenthood!  Here's the way I see it.  The idiot donated some sperm.  She may have been dishonest about her ability to conceive, but BIG SURPRISE-women lie!!  Men lie!  How about a kleenex, crybaby?!  If I had a nickel and a STD for every time some knuckle-dragging phallus-for-brains offered up his fool-proof  vasectomy alibi as a way to go bare-back ...(HEY, THERE'S AN IDEA!  iF YOU DON'T WANT KIDS, CHANGE YOUR ABILITY, NOT YOUR MIND!)     

Who the hell are YOU to think of yourself as SO important when there's two people in the bedroom!  Losers that you are, you should not be exposing women to your gene pool.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:25 pm PDT

Women this is reaping what we have sewn

I do not expect my opinions to be popular. But I believe men like this, thinking like this and legislation like this are the by-product of the feminist agenda.  For decades feminism has taught through, school, media, planned parenthood, and now from the home that sex is just for fun, you don't need to be married,committed or heck even know the person. Also that you can take responsibility for your own body, and their is such a thing as safe sex, as well as the whole concept of choice. THESE ARE HALF TRUTHS with dire consequences.  

  

There is no such thing as safe sex, perhaps SAFER but not safe. Look at the epidemic of sexually transmitted diseases among the youth, unbelievable percentages of children born out of wedlock and into poverty. Teens are depressed, sexually active and all because they believed the lie.  

  

Sex is for grown ups, period. Sex should be reserved marriage, so that all people even the unborn have their future, their health and their hearts protected. I realize it's no guarantee but the divorce statistic is closely tied to this agenda as well. Men have gotten the message loud and clear -"Women can do anything a man can do and so we don't need you!" Then guess what we stand there stunned that men walk away from their families, their wives and the women they have bedded. 

  

We cannot have it both ways. If we want all the "choice" to abort a man's baby then by gosh we should not have the right to hound him for money. I would gladly pay higher taxes for a few decades to pay for these children if it meant that the mentality would change and women would wake and stop sleeping around and instead take pride in their femininity. We are vessels of LIFE. If a man wants to make love to us he needs to be worthy of the life that could be born from that love. And if it meant men's mentality would shift to being real men again. men with honor, men who held to their word, and walked through fire for theirs family.  

  

The tide is turning and eventually this horribly failed agenda will be put to rest. Maybe then the concept of family will be restored, men won't need DNA tests to know if they are the "daddy", the 4000 abortions everyday will cease and will once again value life, love and family.  

  

(For the record I have been a single mother, I was married at 17, I was poor, abandoned, and uneducated. I now have 3 children, have been married 8 yrs, and have learned these lessons the hard way. I work in pregnancy crisis centers, womens abuse shelters, and I homeschool my children. If you want to see the real effects of feminism get involved with troubled young women.) 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:25 pm PDT

Re when ducks fly

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Oh Spare me!  how quaint.....  no real thought put into your response.... 

I might just as well reply with the line 

  

When ducks fly! 

Silly goose!!!! Ducks do fly...LOL I think you mean when PIGS fly....
 
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