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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

for the guy trying to get of being a father

  For the guy thats trying to get out of being a father well i see what he is saying in a way....  If a female was to get pregnant and get an abortion or want to put the baby up for adoption or give the baby away she can do just that no questions asked a lot of the time and the father has no say normally cause the female can lie and say i don't know who the father and the father has no idea until its a little to late.....  But the guy does not have as many ways on there side when it comes to a baby but they know the actions when they play the game regardless what the female says that she cant get pregnant a lot of females say thats so they can have a baby just another way to trap a father in away..... but on the other hand Matt needs to take responsibility that he is now a father it it will never go away no matter what happens in this case....  One day his daughter well want to find him and he wants nothing to do with her or he then might change his mind and want something to do with her and if i was her and found out what he had to say that he didn't want me when i was a baby then i would be like i want nothing to do with you either thats so wrong ........  But Dr Phil i do understand in a way where he is coming from and in a way where he is not......  Why do we have alot to choice from when we females get pregnant and men don't...... see if we didn't want the baby its fine for us to give it way or what ever we do and its not OK for a man to say he does not want to be a father i don't understand there let me know what you think Dr Phil or why its not right  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

Keep your pants zipped until you're married!

Read your Bible!  God created love making for pleasure between a husband and wife, not as a recreational outlet.  Animals have sex to reproduce out of necessity; humans have a choice!   Even in a marriage, love making is the icing on the cake, any husband can tell you that when you are fussing with your wife, forget about making love!    Since you chose to unzip, you are responsible for the consequences of  your actions, which this time resulted in the conception of a child.  No if, ands, buts about this! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Methods and the Typical chance of getting pregnant..... No form of birrth control =Chance 85%. Spemicides =21%. Periodic Abstinence (Calendar , Ovulation Method, Sympto-thermal, Post-ovulation) = 20%. Withdrawal = 18%. Cap = 18%. Sponge (Parous Woman, Nulliparous women)= 18 to 28%. Diaphragm = 18%. Condom = 12%. UDI (Progestasert, Copper T 380A) = 3%. Pill (Combined, Progestogen only) = 3%.Injectable Progestogen (DMPA, NET) = 0.3 to 0.4%. Implants (NORPLANT (6 capsules), NORPLANT-2 (2 rods)) = 0.4 to 0.03%. Female Sterilization = 0.4%. AND FINALLY Male Sterilization = 0.15% INFO FOUND ON vasectomymedical.com So Now I think we know the answer.... NO MORE SEX FOR MATT!
Thank you!  Absolutely! 
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

MEN AND CHILDREN

i'm just on here to put in what I think about the episode where the men want to reject father hood b/c they THINK they should be able to make a decision.. well they did long time ago, if they didnt want children they should have worn a condom... or better yet, not have had intercourse w/ the girl.. they could also go have surgery done! They are just ridiculous.. They shouldnt be given that choice and leave the mother alone w/ their child! shame on them 

 

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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

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Dr Phil, Dr Phil, Dr Phil. Your show is sometimes very biased. Not all people care about kids like you do. I have noticed that whatever someone's problems are, all you care about is the children. A man is going to have sex, no matter what, when it is offered. If a woman says she cannot have children or is on the pill, he is going to believe it. My concern, as should be yours, if you are so concerned about the children or the baby in this case,  should this child be raised by a lying manipulative mother. What else will she lie about? She lied to him, and if she chose to have the child, she and only she, should be responsible for it. It was her decision to lie to her partner, and now she should bear the burden of that lie. I am a woman, and I really cannot stand the way that women manipulate men, and I truly believe it is due to the fact that they are so misinformed by the media such as yourself, because they know that if they come on your show, they will be showered with the attention they so crave and possible get a great gift.

Thank you....very well put. I could not agree more. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

You didn't listen to her rebuttle

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I may be a minority in this I know, BUT I have, for a long time I have felt as though the child bearing issue was extremely one sided.  (and Yes, I have children of my own!)  

Women have ALL the rights when it comes to having children.      

Courts automatically presume that women are the better suited parent.      

If a woman gets pregnant and does not want a child, she has options (yes abortion or adoption).  Men have NO options.      

The BIG issue here is that she lied! - If a woman tells a man she cannot bear children then she alone should have the responsiblity of the child IF he does not want children.  She should have kept her mouth shut!    

If a man decides that he does not want children he should have that option.  Along with that option, he should also have to sign a legal document stating that he will never have contact with that child and if he should decide to (later in life) then he should have to pay back 100% of the assessed support for the child.    

If he chooses to step up and do what the law (now) states he should do, he should (perhaps) be able to claim that child as a tax deduction at the very least (which does not always happen).    

A woman can decide that she does not want "her" child to see its father- whether out of spite or concern.  A man must then go to court, if he chooses, to get that right.    

    

With ALL that said!  I do not EVER think this lawsuit will go anywhere.  It would set a precedence     

that would have men in court from now till dooms day!  I think their opinions would NOT be based on whether the issue is right or wrong, I think it will be solely based on the repercussions it would have on past, present and future cases.  

   

   

She claims that she did NOT lie.  Dr. Phil read her statement on the show.

  

 

 

  

 

She is only guilty of loving a BEAST.  At least she is living up to the responsibility of caring for this lovely child.  I have never seen such a cold and heartless human being as this ANIMAL who has filed this suit.

  

 

 

  

 

BOTH parties are responsible for pregnancies.  If a man doesn't want children he has only 1 guarantee.... keep the ZIPPER CLOSED. It doesn't matter WHAT the woman says.  It doesn't matter if she sets out to get pregnant...  he has a choice.... DON'T HAVE SEX UNTIL YOU ARE READY TO HAVE CHILDREN!!!!

  

 

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Matt's case is absolutely absurd!  If he wins this case, then what other things are men going to be allowed that dictate what a woman does with her body?  He made a mistake, and the girl, whether for moral or social responsibility, chose to keep the child rather than abort or place it for adoption.  It goes without saying that it takes TWO to procreate.  He's a deadbeat and ultimately, a child.  It amazes me that this boy (I refuse to call him a man, because he hasn't earned that status) says that he indeed does want to have children in the future.  No one, not even people who are trying to have children, are EVER ready for a child.  It is a huge responsibility, both socially, and financially, and it is hard for new parents always.  What is he going to tell his children that he actually "wanted" to make?  "Oh, yeah, you guys have a sibling somewhere in the world, but you don't know her because I took it to court so that I did not have to support her."  Does he think his next children are going to say, "Oh, cool, dad, you're the greatest.  You really stood up for yourself there by shirking your responsibility as half the reason that child is alive"?  I think that he should be sterilized and not be allowed to have children in the future if he can't support the one he already has.  The mother shouldn't be punished for her decision, nor should the child.  Pay the child support, and if he feels it's too much for him to act like a decent human being, then don't have anything to do with the child.  But he cannot be angry when the mother tells her kid that its dad would rather act like a college age frat boy than take care of it.  I forsee the guy coming back in a few years and expecting the kid to love and respect him, and throwing a childish fit when it doesn't.    

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

man w/o rights

I am a woman and a mother of 3 and I fully sympathize with the man fighting the child support.  He has a very good point about his situation.  Women do call all the shots when it comes to pregnancy and it isn't fair.  What if a man does want a baby but the woman doesn't?  Doesn't she still have all the rights?  I hope he wins.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

It's about time

It's about time this subject came up!  I have always thought it's been completely UNFAIR to men to not have a say when we, as women have the choice of abortion and adoption.  Where's the fairness in that? I'm glad I saw this episode and am interested to follow this story.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:32 pm PDT

Shoe on the other foot

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I feel for the male guest that is fighting a legal battle (to get out of child support), I agree completely with his defense.  Since the girl lied to him and made the decision to have the baby on her own,she should be responsible.  WHY should one be forced into parenthood ESPECIALLY if it was clear in the beginning that he/she didn't want children?  He has been upfront and honest about his position and should not be forces to go against it. 

You ask about the child?  Well shame on the girl for doing that (being so selfish)  in the first place.  She says that she will do whatever to take care of her baby...well then she needs to do it!  

You cannot force a person into parenthood! 

   

*Also change the situation to where the female got pregnant, the male wanted the unborn child BUT the female didn't: 

She could easily abort the child, not allowing the male a chance at parenthood or that child a chance at life!!!!  Neither the male or child would have a say so. 

 I am a mother to a 13 year old boy who's biological father told me he could not get me pregnant. He insisted he was sterile. This was proved by the lack of child concieved by him and his ex. He always said he didn't want a child with someone he wasn't married to and refused to wear a condom. Yes, he expressed his not wanting a child but made absolutely no effort to avoid the situation. Call me naive but I honestly thought I couldn't conceive a child by this man. 2 weeks after we broke up I found out I was pregnant. He denied paternity because there is no possible way he could concieve. We had 2 blood tests taken and the results we 99.96% and 99.98% that he is the father. I explained that I believe in Roe vs. Wade but I could not consider purposely killing a child because of our stupidity. This man has absolutely nothing to do with my son and has since had 2 more children with 2 other women, one of which was the ex he couldn't get pregnant. He now complains that he didn't want my child and doesn't feel he should have to pay the price for my decision to continue the pregnancy. He complains that the child support takes food out of his other childrens mouths and I have explained that he shouldn't have had more children if he couldn't afford them. I agree with Dr. Phil about his concern with this law being used for the men out there that are truely dead beat fathers. I had a choice once I was preganat but I do believe I was decieved and left to pick up the pieces of both our decisions. Tell me where my rights were in this situation
 
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