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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:38 pm PDT

Men!!!!!!!!!!!

VASECTOMY!!!!!  It is a simple procedure in which you have a little snip.  I highly recommend it especially for immature morons.  Save the children who are really wanted and cherished.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:38 pm PDT

Don't have sex?

In response to all of those who have said repeatedly, if you don't want a child, don't have sex!?!  What are you all thinking.  Why should the guys be the ones to make sure of this.  I am a women.  It is our body...I have 2 kids and for any of you that keep saying guys don't have to be pregnant for 9 months or give birth...get over yourselves.  Most women would agree that pregnancy and giving birth are amazing and great.    

Why should I be able to be allowed to have unprotected sex and still have a choice and my partner is not.  This is a matter of law that I have this choice and whether I believe in abortion or not, I have the right to choose.  This is democracy...abstinence is not an option it is a preparation.  In the event that you did not prepare...get real not every moment is given preparation!!!  

This is reality and for whatever reason ALL MEN SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE!!!  Jerks and deadbeats will always be that way, but the law is there to protect the innocent that are being taken advantage of.  

The mother wanted to keep the baby...good for her and I hope that the baby will get the best of everything and I am happy that she is loved by 1!  Matt should still have the choice even if he is missing out on a child's undivided love.  

This issue is not about not having sex, stop making it out to be that way...animal instinct prepares us for sex and our society has not made sex only about reproduction, it is an outlet, a feeling or sometimes just satisfaction!!!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:38 pm PDT

A CHILD IS ONLY A GIFT IF YOU WANT IT

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I am very shocked at what I heard from this man about not wanting his child. I am pregnant, and I would be completly crushed if the father of my child, whether he was my husband, boyfriend, even just a guy friend didn't want to have anything to do with our child. I see his point about the equal rights, and he seemed like a nice man, but how could anyone evil or not, want nothing to do with something that is a part of them. A child is a wonderful gift to me.  

I AGREE WITH MATT MEN ARE TREATED SO UNFAIR. WOMAN WE KNOW GOT PREGNANT,JUST TO GET OUT OF WORK. SHE SITS AT HOME WITH TWO OTHER GIRLS WITH KIDS.ONE ADULT AND TWO KIDS IN A SMALL ROOM. AND IN OHIO SHE WILL GET TO KEEP THIS KID. THE BOYFRIEND WANTED TO DO THE RIGHT STHING.SHE MARRIED SOMEONE ELSE. NOW HE WANTS TO ADOPT AND SHE WONT LET HIM. THIS IS A CONTROLING WOMAN AND THERE ARE LOTS OF THEM. MEN NEED MORE RIGHTS. WOMAN NEED TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE ACTION. AND OUR SUPPORT COURTS,ARE OUT OF CONTROL. ONLY THOSE WITH A GOOD LAWYER WIN. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CHILDREN.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:38 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

There have been, Dupes, dopes, dunderheads, idiots, fools, selfish, screwed up, ignoramous's, questionable people on this program, but this sorry excuse for a piece of humanity, on the show today, (4-21-06) and the two guys with him, lawyer as well as the other poop, take the cake...it is just a way to make a path for MEN to run away from their responsibilities...!!! all the old cliches such as, "play with fire, get burnt", "get in the water, get wet", can apply...there is NO sure birth control other than "ABSTINANCE"...Don';t want to get burnt,..?..don';t play with fire, don't want to learn to swim, don't get in the water....there is a breaking place for freedoms, and that is when one encroaches on another...only freedom for Responsibility, is taking the responsibility...man doesn't want to be a father, they ought to cut "it" off....!!! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

Responsibility

I believe Matt was man enough to have sex with a willing partner and knew the risks of pregnancy with unprotected sex.  If Matt chooses NOT to be a father, then Matt should abstain from having unprotected sex with his female victims.  Life is not fair!  Women and men ARE different.  The children are going to be the ultimate victims if no one is going to take responsibility for them!  Grow up, Matt!!  The Real world is in front of you and so is your child!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

Doesn't want to be a father to his child?

If you are old enough to consent to sex you are old enough to accept the responsibility of having a child as a result of your actions, regardless of what condition the woman says she had that makes it impossible for her to concieve. Medical conditions are not black and white, things happen and in this case she got pregnant. Birth control pills are close to 100%, but close does not make it invincible.   

  

Now the child is here in the world and Matt is fighting for his right to not be a father because he is not ready? REDICULOUS. What will happen when he IS ready to be a father? Will he then open up his arm to welcome his current child? This man is irresponsible puting his rights ahead of the rights of his (yes, HIS) child.  

  

As not only a father, but a stay at home dad, I am sickened by this man and the man from the National Center for Men that Matt brought with him. How can he even open his mouth not being a parent himself, he is speaking about something he knows nothing about. The rights of women are the way they are because they carry the child. What would happen if this court case wins and then down the road a couple get pregnant and the woman wants to abort but the man wants the child? This is the most rediculous case I have ever seen. STAND UP AND BE A MAN AND TAKE CARE OF YOUR CHILD, after all you were man enough to stand up and take care of what's in your pants without having an issue. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

Let's be COMPLETELY equal here

 Matt, how can you hire a lawyer and come on the Dr. Phil show, preaching about equality!!!!

If you are going to leave the birth control completely up to her and trust that she is taking that pill at the same time everyday, then you could argue that the choice should be completely up to her!

How can you put all of that responsibility (the contraception) solely on her shoulders and then want half of the decision?  Something about that equasion just doesn't add up!  The MINUTE you stopped wearing a condom I think you lost your arguement.  If you did everything in YOUR power to prevent the pregnancy than you should have more of that decision but I think all bets are off when you forefited your CHOICE to wear a condom!!!!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

You are very angry about something

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Matt, if you DID NOT want a baby, then you SHOULD HAVE WORN a condom!!!!! plain and simple.  You cannot leave it up to the woman, because she says she's on the pill or that she knows she cannot get pregnant.  Matt, you're  a JERK!!!! and so is your lawyer to even bring such a case!  When Dr. Phil brought this to your attention, your weak response was wearing a condom was not guaranteed.  Well dear Matt, you didn't use one so you don't have a valid point.  Bottom line you should have used a condom but like most men, you're just a jerk when it comes to protecting yourself and leave it to the woman then blame her when she becomes pregnant.  Grow up! YOU WILL NOT WIN the case and you will have to pay child support until your child is 21....you jerk!!!!

This is not a place to call names. He is not displaying anger about the pregnancy, just stating that he should have a choice in the matter. 

  

Matt should have the same choice in his life that the woman has in hers. If men had the same choice, a lot of women would be more careful about not getting pregnant. Neither party was forced into having sex, they both made the choice to do so and enjoyed the experience.  

  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

But did YOUUUUUUU lie?

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I am very shocked at what I heard from this man about not wanting his child. I am pregnant, and I would be completly crushed if the father of my child, whether he was my husband, boyfriend, even just a guy friend didn't want to have anything to do with our child. I see his point about the equal rights, and he seemed like a nice man, but how could anyone evil or not, want nothing to do with something that is a part of them. A child is a wonderful gift to me.  

It would be normal to feel crushed if you have had an open / honest discussion/decision about having children and then your partner backed out.  Matt did NOT get this choice ... which he surely deserved after HAVING the discussion.  Just because the baby is born, people expect that the child will be instantly loved and appreciated.  Instead, the girl's actions caused instant resentment and Matt surely feels trapped.  It's no different than when we women choose to abort when pregnancies come at the wrong times in OUR lives.  The guys, however, do not have that choice - and should NOT have been tricked into being a parent.  I'm very tired of reading all these postings about how GUILTY he should feel.... HOGWASH!!  -- she lied ... lied ... lied ... it is HER responsiblity.     

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:39 pm PDT

Any Apple Can Have A Worm But Don't Throw Out The Barrell

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    WE ALL KNOW  THAT THERE ARE PLENTY OF  WOMEN IN  THIS  UGLY  WORLD  THAT HAVE BABY'S   FOR A LIVING    EITHER FOR A  FAT CHILD SUPPORT  CHECK  OR  FOR A   BIGGER WELL-FARE CHECK !   I THINK THAT WOMEN  TAKE ADVANTAGE   OF BEING A WOMEN !   IN THIS CASE  YES SHE IS  WRONG !  HE HAS RIGHTS TOO !   THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS WORLD UGLY !   TOO  MUCH SCANDLE !   WE NEED  MORE RESPECT  !  THANKS ........  

You know  one of the problems with this world is that everyone focuses on the apple with the worm and then decides the whole barrell must be thrown out because of that one apple.  YES!, there are women that do this! But not all women do! Nor do a majority of women do this!  Anyway...

The question here is about rights.

Every man and woman has the right to CHOOSE whether they are going to have sex or not.  If they CHOOSE to have sex, then they CHOOSE to deal with the consequences.  This is a zero-one issue:  yes or no.  A 'yes' to sex equals a 'yes' to parenthood on both parts. This is a simple, biological fact!

Furthermore, You cannot make the rules up after the fact. If you are man (or woman) enough to have sex, then you are man (or woman) enough to determine the ground rules before hand.  Those ground rules involve four things:

          1.  Have sex (protected or unprotected) and accept that a child may result and agree to take
               care of the child jointly.
          2. Have sex (protected or unprotected) and accept that a child may result and agree to give it
               up for adoption.
          3.  Have sex (protected or unprotected) and accept that a child may result and agree to abort
               it.
          4. DON'T HAVE SEX AND NO BABY WILL RESULT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think it is obvious that numbers 2 and 3 are the choices of LUNATICS!
 
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