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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I am a middle age mother of children who are grown and college graduates.  I manage a large professional office and I work with TWO women who also got them selfs pregnant because they tricked men with the same excuse I can't get pregnant or I am on the pill.  Everyone in the office knew exactly what had transpired when they annouced their pregnancy's. I firmly believe that if they wanted a child so badly why have and do they continue to hunt these men down for money when in both situation like this young man's they told these women they did not want children or a commitment.  If this young women wanted this child so badly that she needs to support it herself.
Ok there is no way to get yourself pregnant!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

To be sexual permiscuity in our society is to be popular it has seemed.  At one of my last jobs I was known as a prude because I did not show my boobies or flaunt myself.  On the television the people that young people look up to are basically "stripper dancing" in string bakinis and that is cool to our children. If he thinks it is ok to go sleep with his girlfriend and act all ethical and "I said this and I said that" than he needs some therapy.   

Matt needs to understand that if he had sex before he is married than he made that choice no matter what he thought the outcome was going to be.  I feel bad for the girl and the child.  What a fool that Matt is.     

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

If only men were same as women

 I am all about  equal rights for men and W6men, at work  and in public, but the truth is in relationships  we are different. in this particular situation it does appear that both people thought that pregnancy was out of the picture, however, she took the pills, and he got rid of the condom for his personal need for a more sensual experience.  In my opinion, he failed his part, thus he is just as responsible if not more.
So why does he not have equal part in the decision about what happens to the baby?
the answer is easy.  I think as soon as he starts getting pregnant, walking around with stretched out belly, swollen ankles, throwing up, trying to sit or lay with no comfortable position, go through the pains of labor, as well as anticipation of birth and feeling the baby kick., then he should have all the rights  in deciding about what happens to the baby, not her.  It is easy to say she could have an abortion, but does this young man know that the procedure is painful, uncomfortable, runs the risk of damage to reproductive organs and risk of having difficulty getting pregnant in the future? Would he want a part of his body ripped out? Some women go through abortion, and that is their right- it is their body and they suffer the consequences, thus even this route is not easy. And this man  thinks that  he had the bad end of this deal? 500 dollars will never cover the expenses of a child. Children cost a lot more than 6000 a year. When you add the time and effort to take care of this baby, he is getting away easy. And why does it seem OK that someone else should be adopting and raising his child. if the baby is adopted it should not relieve father or mother  from financial consequences, . Giving up for adoption is not a solution, you still have all the pregnancy "joys" that are not so joyful. If he does not want to pay monthly support, may he would like to pay a lump sum for all the troubles that his sexual partner had to go through and if she has abortion or give a child for adoption she will need the money for  all the therapy that she will need.(he obviously won't need therapy). 120K should be about enough and about the same as his monthly payments will cost him in 20 years. The way I see it, it was an expensive mistake, and it should teach him a lesson, as the young mother will be reminded of her lesson every day. If no financial consequence exists, what will teach him a lesson?Current law is very needed, as it is keeping this world in some type of boundaries and teaches people responsibilities. For women those responsibilities imposed on by her nature, If man's responsibility is taken away, then it becomes unfair, and I would call that unequal rights.
    
A little note to the Lawyer, if this case would win, it  WOULD open up a new way for irresponsible men to get away from responsibility. As long as there are lawyers, they will be pointing at this trial in every Court.  It would be nice to be famous and quoted all over the country, wouldn't it?
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

hi

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Please note.. I did NOT call them MEN in the title.  Real men step up and face their responsibilities.  Matt, on the other hand is an fully grown child... worse, a DOG.  Having raised three daughters without ONE pennies child support, court ordered and NEVER paid, I feel like an expert on the subject. 

  

 

  

  

 

Furthermore, I am raising my severely autistic grandson. This because when his mother (my traumatic brain injured daughter) told him that she would get an abortion because she didn't think she was ready to have a child and their marriage was VERY rocky.  He threatened her and basically forced her to have the child.  Halfway through the pregnancy he was beating her, raping her and throwing her down stairs because she "moved too slowly."  She left him when the baby was 20 days old and has lived with me ever since.  I am supporting them both.  He has paid $15.00 in child support in 2 1/2 years.  This child is 2 1/2 years old and is severely handicapped.  He has not made one attempt to communicate in any way, no mimicking sounds, not walking... this boy needs a LOT of help!  I feel quite certain that his condition is due to the abuse that the mother took during the pregnancy.  He also took the child off his insurance and his therapies alone cost close to $2,000 a month... my burden! 

  

 

  

  

 

These fathers all had rights... they INSISTED on having these children.  Then they ALL abandoned them emotionally, financially and otherwise. 

  

 

  

  

 

My philosophy has been simple.  I step up and assume the responsibility.  No court, no hassles.. just let the dogs run and take care of the babies.  The fight is NOT worth it because it only adds legal fees and stress and worry to the already difficult situation.  However, in my opinion, this country is seriously failing it's children by allowing deadbeat dad's to avoid the financial responsibility of the children they created. 

  

 

  

  

 

Whether a man chooses to be a father or not is his choice UP FRONT... practice abstinence, use protection or step up and take care of the child. 

  

 

  

  

 

Matt, shame on you!  That baby looks identical to you... sweet and adorable.  How cold and selfish can a human be?  You are despicable!

  

 

  

 I have two children and i know how hard it is to raise them  i dont know how woman do it by themselves let alone in your situation you have your daughter and her child to take care of .  You are a great person and a gift to them both im very proud of you and im sure somehow you will get help with the expences remember that if god brings you to it he will bring you through it. Im sure its really hard taking care of a handicaped child  i worked at a school and did that i loved it every child is a gift from god well hope this helps a little good luck and hope you have a great day
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

sickened by that

Quote From: cosonov

  The fact that they had discussed the reprecautions of pregnancy, and how it was not a great time to have a child, should deter any legal action taken against the father. The woman should not be allowed to renegg on her decision to not have a baby. If anything, the father should be charging her with breach of verbal contract!  Too many woman are having 'cute little babies' just to say they have them. It's almost like an accessory in some cases. Leave the father alone. He made his position clear much before the night of conception!

i cannot  believe you wrote that let alone thought it. this whole subject just turns my stomach. how many women have given birth and raised children they werent ready for because a "MAN" said THEY WERE STERILE?  How many men are TRYING TO GET OUT OF PAYING CHILD SUPPORT? its so very fun to make them but none to care for them. And as for rights he has them its called signing a paper stateing he waves ALL PARENTAL RIGHTS. and viola all gone and he can go to his sick selfish ways again.  

  

If a man seriously does not want children, get fixed, use a condom. why is so much of it placed on us women, it is so much more invasive for women to take care of birth control. whats wrong with him that he cant wrap it up. women can suffer CANCER and STERALITY from birth controls. what does a man suffer? less feeling during sex. oh the poor man. GIVE ME A BREAK! 

  

alot of women cant get pregnant, or have a tough time getting pregnant, or are unsure if they can. if he doent want children then he MUST CONTROL HIS OWN REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS. IE.. condom. you hear all the time a woman has to have the control over her own body. time for men to have control over theirs. dont complain after that "oh poor me i have to pay child support over a child i dont want" get over it already and take care of your responsiabilities 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

Agreed

Quote From: bwisdom

Why do women get all of the chocies? Yes we ALL know what causes pregnacy and we all know how to prevent it. But WHY IN THE WORLD DO WOMEN GET ALL THE CHOCIES? Yeah, I know... It's your body. Well it's his life also. And no it's not the baby's fault, it's the man and woman's fault. Yet the woman has a choice to have or not have the baby. (Either way the child will be effected. By not having a father or having one who dosen't want him/her.) What if we start thinking about the tables being turned? What if the man wants the baby but the woman wants to have an abortion? What then? If women have choices, men should have choices. We as women want to be equals. We have faught for so long, and are still fighting, for our rights to be considered equals. Yet, we want to have the rules one way when it's in our favor and the other way when it's not??!! We can't have it both ways. We either consider the child a child and treat this child as if it were out of the womb OR we decide it's a choice and it's not a child until post-womb. We can't have both. We can't be selfish just because it's our bodies, just because we're the womb. Either it's a choice or it's not! After that is decided, then if it's a choice the man should have his choice, if it's not a choice and it's a child, then a father he should be able to refuse or use his parential rights! Brandy W, KS
Not much to say here.im female and agree totally with You...........enough of men taking all the BLAME
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

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I guess it is my up brining and how my parents raised me. I was always told the if i felt that i was old enough to engage in sex then i was old enough to have children.  That i had to decide for myself that i was old enough to have children before i had sex.  I belive that if more parents would explain that no birth control is 100%.  and that if you have sex whether your partner is sterile or not then that it is always a possibility.  I know a lady who the doctor told her she was going through menopase and children were out of the picture. Guess what shes pregnant.    

I believe that Matt should grow up. He had two choices to not have sex or to wear a condom. I think that he should buck up and take responisblity for his child. What kind of message is he sending his daughter with his actions. If he doesnt want anything to do with his child he should terminate his rights and let the mother and child be.  And maby think about either not having sex or getting a better sex education so the next time he will be more apt to use a condom cause then he would have a little bit of control.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

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Quote From: masticola

I do believe that a man has every right in the decision on whether to have a baby or not.  If a woman gets pregnant and does not want the baby, the father should be able have a say in whether she aborts, or puts up for adoption.  For him to have no say in the matter is just WRONG!!  Especially if he wants to raise the baby himself.  

On the other hand, once a baby is born, whether he wanted it or not, he should be responsible to help care for the baby.  I know it sounds like I am contradicting myself, but to say a father has no responsibility after a baby is born is also WRONG.  This would open the door to a hell of alot more dead beat fathers than are already out there. 

 It will always be his word against hers.  We have a no way of knowing if Matt really did make her aware of the fact that he did not want children.  If he was that adament he should have worn a condom.  By the way, I am a woman.  June 

 The agree, but the decision should to have a child should be made prior to conception.  This would require long conservations before SEX!  Young people are all about hormones and not logic. Great comment though! MARY
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

Two Things

The very fact that problems like the first one in this show (the male roe v. wade thing) exist is further proof of the fact that people just should not be having sex outside of wedlock anyway. Imagine how much better the world would be if people never had pre-marital sex. Sex was made to create babies: face it! Any enjoyment that comes from it takes a major back seat to the real issue that the primary function of sex is to make babies. Amazing how easily people forget that. Sex was obviously made just for marriage and no other time. If you do choose to "break the rules" by having sex outside of wedlock (I truly think that everybody can feel somewhere inside of them that sex is wrong outside of marriage), then you must be willing to accept the consequences. Grow up! If you don't think you are mature enough to be a parent, then you are certainly not mature enough to be having sex!

The other thing is the fact that Roe v. Wade is wrong anyway. Life starts at conception, and it is total madness to think that it is in any way OK to kill an innocent person. Doesn't it seem like madness that, even up to the day before delivery, a baby can be legally aborted, but that once the baby is "out," it would be murder to kill it? It's the same person, either way, only a couple days apart in age. So the decisions that were based on Roe v. Wade shouldn't exist for women anyway, so they shouldn't exist for men. Instead of adding more "rights" for men, they should be taken away for women, which would made the playing field "equal" again, in that regard.

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:42 pm PDT

happend in reverse

when i was 25 my then boyfriend knew that i didn't want to have kids until i was thirty.  i was on the pill and he was using a condom, but he had put a whole in it.  i had been given antibiotics for strep throat , so i got pregnant, and he know i felt about it.  later after i gave birth to our daughter, he told me he got me pregnant on purpose.  i was 25 and he was 42.  

   

we got married and divorced a year later. and i still feel like i was betrayed and used.  

 
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