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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:48 pm PDT

disagree???

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I agree that men should have more rights when a pregency occurs that was not agreed upon by both participants.  

I disagree with Dr Phil that the male gave up his rights when he "chose" to not use a condom.  

Although it will help prevent pregnency, a condom was not and is not designed to prevent pregency.  

   

No but it is designed to help prevent pregnancy. As a mother myself I Agree with Dr. Phil if he didn't want a child then he should've been man enough to keep his pinky from getting stinky. That's 100% proven child prevention!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:48 pm PDT

Let's Be Fair

I watch Dr. Phil daily and am sure to be inlightened and entertained by what I see.  

Having said that, I must say that I'm upset at the unfair (in my view) way the gentleman is being treated on the show.     

I feel like the man has a legitimate point and a right to what he believes in.   He was lied to by the woman he loved and after being up front with her regarding his total lack of interest in conceiving and then raising a child.     

I also feel that men should be treated equally, under the law with respect to this and many other issues regarding male/female relationships.  

What I mean by his being treated unfairly is the way the audience was allowed to 'brow-beat' him through constant, persistant applause throughout Dr. Phil's interview with him and his lawyers.   To me he so obviously has been wronged and has every right to state his case and pursue a fair resolution to the issue of the child in question without the cheerleading section in the audience.  I consider this to be patently unfair, and unnecessary.  

I'm very disappointed in Dr. Phil allowied this to happen.  

I am a feminist and have been for most of my adult life.   I irritates me greatly when a woman has a legitimate point and is treated as 'less than' by certain attitudes that have prevailed and continue to prevail in this society.  

And I'm very angry and disappointed by the female reaction to this man and his position.   It seems to me his points are being overlooked and he's being take less than seriously in this matter that is obvously extremely important to him.  

Ladies, if you want equal rights and equal consideration, perhaps you should look in the mirror when you are asked to listen to a gentleman's point of view.  

  

Len  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

baby wars

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I am sure that men have a constitional right to avoid fatherhood, by way of either avoiding intercourse, or taking responsibility of some form of birth control, not ,by putting the responsibility on the other person, but by taking responsibility of their own actions!!!!!!!!!!!!
i have a hard time believing that anyone could really believe that this matt guy is right.  anyone who makes the choice to lay down together has to be ready to either be a mother or father.  if they don't want children,  DON'T HAVE SEX.  most people know this.  practice what you preach.  yes, the protection/no protection is a factor, but come on, you are just playing with fire.  this dude matt better grow and a realize he is a father and take care of his reasponsiblities.  we give to many excuses as to not taking care of their own, but we also have the deadbeat dad laws in effect.  make up my mind, it isn't right, hello,,,,  don't like it, don't do it.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

Whatever!

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Hello I am a happily married mother of two and sorry but I have to agree with him.  If that man told her up front how he felt and she inturn decided to stay in this relationship then she is at fault.  When he told her this then she should have ended this relationship instead of taking this risk.  Instead she told him that she could not have children and plus taking the pill for extra precautions.  You are so right children are a wonderful gift,  when both are choosing to take the responsibility to take on the role as parents.   

  

Again she did not know that she was going to get pregnant but he should not have to pay for it. 

  Neither should be having intercourse before marriage.  Isn't that what we are taught?  Abstenince.  So if Matt shouldn't be held accountable for the raising of the little girl, maybe you can help her feed cloth and raise it. Who should be held accountable for a child alone when it takes TWO.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

DUH!!

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Matt is 100% right.  His constitutional and privacy rights are being viloated.  In this day and age, HE CERTAINLY SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE!   

  

I URGE EVERYONE TO SUPPORT THIS!  WRITE YOUR LOCAL CONGRESSMEN AND SENATORS AND TELL THEM TO SUPPORT ROE vs WADE for MEN. 

  

  

  

  

  

THE CONSTITUTION ALSO GIVES US FREEDOM OF CHOICE.........WHY DIDN'T HE CHOOSE TO NOT HAVE SEX IF HE DIDN'T WANT A CHILD, NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION WAS WITH HER AND CHILBEARING.  HE WILL LOSE IN COURT.  HE AND YOU ARE SELFISH LITTLE BRATS AND VERY CLOSED-MINDED!!    MaryElle, N. Little Rock, AR 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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What upsets me is the fact that people forget that the baby is here.  This man and woman both decided to have sex, as always there is always a chance that a baby will be created.   And the fact that this man does not want to pay child support to this woman is crazy.  She has to pay more money than him to raise this child and she has to deal with all the responsbilitys that come along with raising a child.  And the most important fact is that the money is not for the mother, its for the CHILD.   This child did not ask to be brought in to the world, therefore she should not have to do it all by herself.  Both parents should take a part in raising her, and if he doesn't want to be part of her life then fine, but he should help with the financial part, because he did have a choice in the fact to have unprotected sex!@!@!!!@

I am the mother of two wonderful little boys. My husband also has two other sons from a previous relationship.  It amazes me how much this story resembles that of my husband's story. His ex-girlfriend "could not get pregnant". She supposedly had a medical condition. Well, she ended up pregnant. My husband stayed with her for five years because of the children. Yes, she ended up having TWO MIRACLE CHILDREN.  He was miserable most of the time he was with her. He didn't want to be a father. Now he loves his children, but that isn't really the point here.  

   

The point is this, plain and simple, the laws are created to protect women. Across the board, from the right to have a child and make the "father" pay child support, to domestic violence.  The laws are unfavorable to men.    

   

A man should have the same rights as a woman. In Florida, a man can sign off his parental rights or have them terminated and STILL have to pay child support.  He can be married to a woman who cheated on him and got pregnant, but because he was married to her and biologically not the father, he is still the LEGAL father and has to pay child support.  If he signed the birth certificate because they were not married and later proves the child is NOT his, he still has to pay child support. How is this fair to anyone involved?   

   

I completely support Matt in his lawsuit and hope he prevails.  I am so sick of seeing the injustices done to men to protect women when the men are the victims.  He was upfront and honest with her and he deserved the same in return. GOOD LUCK MATT!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

baby wars

men and woman lie. it just the fact of life. there are people that what to have baby's and there    

are other people that can't have baby's that would love to have a baby . there are women that    

have babys and don't want the baby and there are woman that can't an would love to have a baby.   

haveing a baby is the most wounderful thing that  any woman can go through .knowing that the little    

person that you have in side is part of you .it hard to belive that people can turn there back on there   

own child. but the way i see it they are the one that has to live with it  and if they can turn there back on there own flesh then they are heart less.which there are a lot of heatless of people in this world.   

every one has choices and wheather or not you make the right or wrong  choice you have to deal with the choice .being a parent is a big step  but its also the most rewarding .man and woman can be selfish and they don't think about the after.they don't think about the child that may suffer in the long run. the child alonely what to be love an to be tought  . we have to set the examples.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Some people might be surprised by my feeling. I am a 63 year old grandmother.If this was my daughter i would stand by her and be as suppourtive as possible but I wouldn,t want the father of the baby to be forced to participate in my grandchilds life. This also means support. I feel the girl was as responsible as he was. I believe eventually this young man may come to regret this decision but I don,t think he should be forced.
 I think this Gentleman should not have sex until he gets married. No girl will want to have sex with him after this. I have Grandchildren with there Dads and with out and it is better  with. But if they don't want the baby then let them support the child.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

Distrubed About This Debate!

Before having sex, he knew what the law stated and he knew if there was a chance that she did become pregnant then he would be responsible for the child.  So why is there a debate, when he knew what the law was prior to it happening.  Maybe the mother did say that she couldn't get pregnant, maybe she didn't.  However, if the father of this child absolutely positively did not want to become a father then he should have had control of his actions and took the necessary precaution to assure that  a child was not conceived prior to it happening.  As the saying goes you play you pay.  Why should the child suffer, if the mother is stepping up and taking responsibility for raising this child, why shouldn't you pay, you helped create it.  At least one of the parents is willing to take on the responsibility,  and the child will have one biological parent.  It's not the childs fault. The law is the law and you knew what it was prior to having your fun, and now you don't want to pay because you have no rights.  Cut me a break. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:49 pm PDT

Men's rights about pregnancy

Dr. Phil made the best point when he said that the ultimate control over whether a man can decide if he will or will not be a father lies with him insofar as he makes the conscious decision to take the responsibility of protecting himself against unwanted pregnancy.  No amount of remorse over the fact that he had an alleged discussion with the woman he was having sex with and she made assurances that there was no possiblity of becoming pregnant does not get him off the hook.  In the reverse situation where he would make a similar promise to her and the condom failed, the baby is still a reality.  Her biologically based maternal feelings that ensue cannot be denied.  For her to make a choice to give up the child, or to abort the pregnancy because the father wants to exercise his "rights" cannot negate nature's influence upon the mother to be a mother.  All of the chemical bodily changes she experiences will most heavily weigh in favor of her desire to accomplish the coming birth of her child.  It's nature's way! 
 
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