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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

Men having choices on fatherhood?

Well I would have to say I agree with both sides but more so with the men.  Women do have all the choices when it comes to abortion, adoption, or simply choosing to raise it.  If I was put in the situation that Matt and his ex are in, I personally would not fight Matt's decision of NOT wanting to be a father instead of forcing him to pay child support which in most places will give Matt the right to see the child if 10 years down the road he decides that now is a good time to be a dad.   Men should have the right.. I know it does take 2 to tango, but in some cases women do "trap" men cause they are "tick tick ticking" and need / want to have a baby!  Sounds crued.. but in my opinion the truth!  Laws need to change, but I do agree with Dr Phil that it MAY open doors for LOTS of current deadbeats who drift in and out of a childs life.  I do think this law will have to have lots of conditions of sorts.. set.   I would have no problems raising a child on my own, and wouldn't fight for money from a man who wants nothing to do with my child!  Ive watched lots of people make out just fine being a single mom, and no help financially or anything else!  Takes a STRONG woman to do it on her own.. but , in my opinion, another challenge that I would overcome!   and one message that caught my eye... what if the man wants to raise the baby and the mother wants to give it up for adoption.. what laws protect a father to having that choice?  anything???  think not!  good day!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

kids need both parents

I have raised 3 boys since they were 2mths 3 and 4 years old with no help from their dad they are now 17,20, 21 and if that guy made the baby he needs to raise that child you dont take anyones word on birth control it takes two to make a baby. he is attacking this the wrong way,if he didnt want children then he should of protected himself  its called responsability. My wife and i have not been able  to afford to have one of our own but thats ok now that they are older we choose not to and thats ok because i treat them as my own. The laws need to help a man have rights to a child whos mother may not want one they are forced to pay child support buthave no say if they want to keep a baby and the mother wants it gone.My boys  know that  I have been there dad and  I wouldnt give that up  for nothing . That irresponsable person that denies his child dont know what he is missing. children need both parents no matter what. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

I'm on the Matt bandwagon!

I couldn't get to my computer fast enough.  Oh boy.  I am the wife of a man who was mis-lead like Matt.  His story is different but similar.  He had a very casual, sexual relationship with a woman he was lead to believe was on birth control.  It wasn't until he wanted to cut off the relationship that she turned up pregnant.  When he told her (again) that it was only sexual that he wasn't interested in her long term.  He also told her he did not want the child, he even offered to pay for an abortion or adoption.  She wasn't having it.  Then the threats began.  "She was going to take him for everything he had"... "buy herself a new car with the money she was going to get"  etc. etc. etc.  She did end up having his child.  Against his will.  And is now paying an ungodly amount of child support for a child he has never even seen nor has any desire to.  He had absolutely no choice in this matter and I have seen how unfairly men are treated by the court system first hand.  I as a woman am appalled!  These types of women need to stand up and educate themselves so they don't keep bringing poor unsuspecting children into this world just for a dollar!  Get a job and a backbone ladies.  Men aren't here to take care of us!  And how unfair to the poor child who is brought into the world to a man who never wanted him or her.  But by an insecure woman who just wanted revenge and money!  I could go on and on with this subject and have been waiting 10 long years for someone to bring to light how unfairly a lot of men are being treated.  I'm on the bandwagon Matt!  Have your lawyer call me.. I'll testify!  LOL
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

BABYWARS!

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DO NOT HAVE SEX!!!  KEEP HIS PANTS ON!!  USE A CONDOM...BUT THE IS NOT ALWAYS FOOL PROOF!!!  WHEN HE CAN CARRY A CHILD HE WILL GET THE CHOICE.
  I agree.  Lets see a man carry a baby for 40 weeks.  Thats longer then you have to make it on Survivor. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

Baby War!

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I can't say that I don't agree with this gentleman. For many years, women have purposely gotten pregnant  to make that "catch". Yes, the child suffers and its sad.  

If they had married for the sake of raising a child together and didnt get along, then end up divorced AFTER the child KNEW His/her dad... its better how? The child is still being raised without a dad. I have watched over the last 30 years many children strive through unhappy homes, broken homes and they all seemed to turn out ok......whats NOT ok..is women who DONT take their share of the responsibilty for the proper measures for SAFE sex....why is it always HIS FAULT?It takes TWO.. 

  

The laws have needed to be changed for years.....Recently Georgia put into effect starting in July....BOTH incomes matter in deciding child support amounts.....After seeing many men and second families do without while she remarries and has the child support to spend friviously....its a good change..Congress needs to make women as responsible as men...... 

 I agree w/u.....Young women must also take responsibility for their own actions!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

More rights for Men ...yes

I do believe that Matt is right in part of his argument.  Woman do have options following an unplanned pregnancy when men do not.  Adoption, abondoment, the "A" word (abortion :( ) or keeping the baby.  Being the mother of three boys, the last one unplanned with a un-interested father, I feel I have a uniquely qualified opinion about this. If a mother is unable to care for a child, she gives the child up for adoption but if a father is unable to care for a child, so what.  Completely not fair.  I don't know the answer to the problem but I think the issue should be addressed.  I don't believe that the issue has anything to do with whether she said this or he said that, the real issue is men should have the same options with the child that woman do or sign a waiver at birth releasing parental rights. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

What about the baby?

Ok, perhaps he was deceived.  Maybe even overtly lied to.  Now the baby is here.  How unfortunate that this little girl will grow up feeling unwanted.  I couldn't imagine seeing my father on TV telling the world that he did not want me, does not want me, and refuses to know me or take responsibility for me.  

He needs to grow up and consider the feelings of this poor little baby girl.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

LITTLE BOY SYNDROME

THIS LITTLE BOY SAID IT BEST HIMSELF WHEN HE ADMITTED CONDOMS WERE NOT 100%.  THIS IS ANOTHER REASON WHY YOUNG KIDS OR SO CALLED YOUNG ADULTS,  SHOULD NOT BE HAVING SEX.  THEY DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH THEIR EMOTIONS OR REAL RESPONSIBILITY WHEN SOMETHING OF AN ADULT NATURE ARISES FROM THEIR OVERACTIVE HORMONES.  I HOPE THE JUDGE THROWS HIM OUT OF COURT AND STICKS IT TO HIM GOOD.  THAT BABY DESERVES A FATHER EVEN IF IT'S NOT HIM.  THE MOM SHOULD JUST COLLECT THE SUPPORT WHEN OR IF SHE GETS IT AND MOVE ON.  HE'LL REGRET IT LATER WHEN HE BECOMES A MAN!   BY THEN IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE! 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

If he didn't want to be a father...

He should not have had sex. It's really that simple. Engaged in intimacy always has the risk of pregnancy. Condoms break, pills only work 99.7% - abstinance is the only thing that would have guaranteed him not to be a father. What she said to him, what assurances she gave him, is irrelavent - it's what she knew at the time. I myself was in the same type of situation, I got pregnant after taking the morning after pill and the father is completely uninvolved becuase he feels he wasn't given a choice. What both of them refuse to acknowledge is that when you choose to have sex, nature doesn't care about what promises or precautions there are between partners. Nature only cares about the sperm and the egg. No sex, no baby. Simple. 

What breaks my heart is that these children will never understand their father's "moral" debate. All they will know is that their father didn't want them. Kids internalize everything and they will think they father doesn't love them because something must be wrong with them. Their father's selfish behaviour will leave permanent emotional scars that will never heal. I'm so glad everytime Dr. Phil asks these people "BUT what about the child??" That should be the more important moral debate, shouldn't it? 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:52 pm PDT

Consequences

I discussed my son's responsibility for birth control many times with him starting before the age of 10. At 25 he had a one night stand and a child was created. He is responsible for his actions and the consequences no matter how he wants to rationalize it! Too bad if he didn't listen to me...anyone can rationalize their way out of their responsibilities. That doesn't make it right! If you aren't old enough to accept the possibilities/consequences of having sex, then you aren't old enough to have sex! Grow up!   

 
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