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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 2:56 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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As a mother of 2 girls, and one of 4 daughters, I bet you would assume I would agree with Mom;  WRONG!  

   

If someone lies to you, and knowingly can have children I do not agree that the partner whoever it is should be held responsible.  You are responsible for your actions!  If you go into a situation positively thinking that a) you do not want to be a father and inform Mom of that b) you have been informed that Mom cannot have children  c) Mom is taking birth control pills for another ailment, then why should you be responsible?  

   

Why is not Mom responsible for lying on 2 counts?  Why does she not take responsiblity?    

   

I know most people would say "think about the child" why did the Mom not think about the child she could bring into this world.  Did she honestly think things would change when the baby came?  How many wives thought they could change husbands once they were married?    

   

Don't you really think it's time that women might be held accountable for their actions and that by being a birth Mom doesn't give them clear sailing?  

   

My thoughts anyway!  

Who said she lied? My take on it was that she thought she couldn't conceive. She was wrong, obviously. I don't care who's right or wrong. This child is the victim here. The child is the only one who is 100% innocent. What's done is done. The child is still here. There's no going back now. If he definitely did not want children, then he shouldn't have been having sex. That's the ONLY guarantee in this life. Now it's time to step up to the plate for that child.  

   

I'm tired of seeing people not wanting to take responsibility for their actions, whether they be male or female. If he doesn't step up to the plate and be a father, it will come back to bite him later. When he dies, is he going to say, "Boy, I'm sure glad I wasn't supportive to that child..."? I think not.  

   

Whatever decision he makes, it will have an impact on that child. One could only hope it will be a positive impact.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:57 pm PDT

babies in bed never leave

I am mother who my husband has let our kids sleep with us since they were babies well now I have a 7,6, and 3 year old. we have a 4 bedroom house and we have the 6 and 7 yr old sleeping on our floor in sleeping bags and the 3 year old in our bed between us. i gave up arguing the fact years ago... It might be nice to sleep in a tent on the roof then when i get up to go to the bathroom i wouldn't have a obstacle course of toys and kids on the floor!!!! so what about a wife on strike?????
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:57 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: notty1

As a mother of 2 girls, and one of 4 daughters, I bet you would assume I would agree with Mom;  WRONG!  

   

If someone lies to you, and knowingly can have children I do not agree that the partner whoever it is should be held responsible.  You are responsible for your actions!  If you go into a situation positively thinking that a) you do not want to be a father and inform Mom of that b) you have been informed that Mom cannot have children  c) Mom is taking birth control pills for another ailment, then why should you be responsible?  

   

Why is not Mom responsible for lying on 2 counts?  Why does she not take responsiblity?    

   

I know most people would say "think about the child" why did the Mom not think about the child she could bring into this world.  Did she honestly think things would change when the baby came?  How many wives thought they could change husbands once they were married?    

   

Don't you really think it's time that women might be held accountable for their actions and that by being a birth Mom doesn't give them clear sailing?  

   

My thoughts anyway!  

If I don't want to be a parent, it is my responsibility to take the necessary precautions, not rely on the guy to do it for me.  Equally, if a man doesn't want to be a father it is his responsibility to see that he takes the necessarry precautions.  What Matt basically is saying is that I don't want to have a kid and you are responsible for seeing that it doesn't happen.  What about Matt being accountable for his actions!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:57 pm PDT

REGARDING THE BABY WARS

I JUST FINISHED WATCHING THE PROGRAM ABOUT THE BABY WARS AND THE FIRST STORY MADE ME THINK.  LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT.  THE FELLOW WAS DATING A WOMAN, MADE IT QUITE CLEAR TO HER THAT HE DID NOT AT THIS TIME  WANT TO BECOME A FATHER.  SHE TOLD HIM THAT SHE COULD NOT GET PREGNANT( HA!!  WHAT A LINE) AND SHE WAS ON BIRTH CONTROL.  THEY BOTH AS ADULTS PRODUCED THIS BABY BUT PRIOR TO MAKING THIS BABY, HE TOLD HER NUMEROUS TIMES THAT HE DID NOT WANT TO BE A DAD.   IF I AM CORRECT IN THIS, THEN WHAT IS THIS WOMAN DOING DEMANDING THAT HE PAY CHILD SUPPORT???  HE HAS MADE IT CLEAR TO HER NUMEROUS  TIMES THAT HE WAS NOT READY TO BE A DAD!!!!  DOES SHE THINK HE MAY CHANGE HIS MIND AND COME RUNNING.  IS SHE HOPING FOR MARRIAGE AND THE WHOLE DREAM???  IN MY VIEW, SHE SHOULD BACK OFF AND LEAVE HIM ALONE.  HE MADE IT CLEAR HE DID NOT WANT TO BE A DAD.  SHE HAS MADE THE CHOICE TO KEEP THE BABY,  MY ADVISE TO HIM,ANY MAN WHO SAYS HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE A DAD, SHOULD WEAR PROTECTION EVERY TIME HE WANTS TO GET LUCKY.  TO HER, HE HAS MADE IT CLEAR HE DOES NOT WANT TO BE A DAD AT THIS TIME, RESPECT HIS VIEWS BUT YOU MAKE IT CLEAR TO HIM, THAT IF 10 YEARS FROM NOW, HE CHANGES HIS MIND AND LOOKS YOU UP TO CHECK ON HIS DAUGHTER, MAKE IT PERFECTLY CLEAR TO HIM, THAT....  HE IS UNWANTED,NOT NEEDED AND STILL A COMPLETE WASTE OF SKIN.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:57 pm PDT

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  The fact that they had discussed the reprecautions of pregnancy, and how it was not a great time to have a child, should deter any legal action taken against the father. The woman should not be allowed to renegg on her decision to not have a baby. If anything, the father should be charging her with breach of verbal contract!  Too many woman are having 'cute little babies' just to say they have them. It's almost like an accessory in some cases. Leave the father alone. He made his position clear much before the night of conception!

   

FACT: He still had sex  

FACT: He still had unprotected sex.   

FACT: Some hot shot lawyer has talked him into filing a law suit that makes him look like a  cold hearted, self centered jerk. Get a grip- if you play, you pay.   

Grow Up Matt!!!!  

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:57 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: sing2angie

I found this father's position supported by his attorney to be horrific.  This man accepted responsibility for his daughter when he chose not to do everything in his power to prevent it.  Firstly, he mad the decision to have sex none the less unprotected sex.  It was within his power to choose to wear a condom or not to have sex at all.  Once a child is born, both parents are responsible for the care of that child.  He is legally bound to provide for his child whether he wants to or not as would the mother if the roles were reversed.  If she did not want the child or any involvement in the child's life, she would still be financially responsible for the care of the child by law.  I am generous when I refer to this person as a young "man" because his actions are more like a little boy who cannot have his way.  Many of us have had children at what we felt were inconvienent times in our lives.  We chose to care for the innocent life who did not have a choice to be brought into this world anyway.  We found a way and accepted our role and responsibility as parents.  We grew up and learned how to be loving parent's.  We put the needs of our children ahead of our own.  Thats what being an adult is all about.  He needs to stand up and be a man and  think about the physical and emotional needs of his daughter.

  

I would love to know what his parents have to say about this. Do they agree, not, do they have anything to do with their grandchild ? Just a thought........... 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:58 pm PDT

Father Not Wanting to Pay Support

  

To the father who feels he needs not to pay child support, 

  

I am a child support caseworker.  As part of my job, I go into health classes in high schools and explain how and why child support is important.    One of our biggest discussions is regarding why do I have to pay?  

  

If you choose to have sexual relations with another person,  there is ALWAYS a chance the girl/woman could get pregnant.  Even if a condom, birth control pill, etc is used there is a chance of pregnancy.  I'm unclear as to why this is such a difficult concept for a person to understand.  I also do not understand why a young man like Matt is having sex if he doesn't want to be a Dad.  The only sure fire way not to become a dad is to abstain from sex. 

  

If you are determined to be the father, you pay support - it's your obligation (financially).  That child deserves and should have your support both financially and hopefully emotionally.  This is the way courts look at this situation.  We have a situation we discuss in classes - 2 couples on a double date - one uses a condom and the other doesn't have one.  They borrow the first couple's condom and turn it inside out.  The second couple gets pregnant.  But it's not her boyfriend/date that is responsible - it's the DNA from the first male that got her pregnant.   It's about DNA and about the woman carrying the child for the 9 months.  A man just lays the seed and then can run away.   Here's the bottom line - don't want a kid - don't have sex! 

  

Shelley 

Wyoming 

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:58 pm PDT

WHAT!?!

How could he expect her to bear the whole of the responsibility to raise that child?  She told him that she had a medical condition that did not allow her to have children, so, things happen! He still had the right & responsibility to wear a condom, after all she was on birth control.  This is just a stunt to get out of paying child support! It takes two to tango buddy, its not like she did it on her own. Step up and be a man, take responsibility, or keep your pants zipped!! If you don't want to be a father don't have sex without a condom!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Is it just me or is this lawsuit a waste of time and tax payers money.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 2:58 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: sharon69

I am a female but I think that Matt is correct. She lied about getting pregnant and he should not have to support this kid.
Just because she got pregnant does not necessarily mean she lied.  Doctors mess up all the time.  I was also told I could not get pregnant, but did.   I ended up miscarrying and never got pregnant again, but the fact still remains that the Doctors told me I could not get pregnant and I did.  I understand why Matt feels the way he does, but at the same time if he was really that worried about being a father, He should have taken precautions also.  That would have been the responsible thing to do.  Needless to say, I agree with Dr. Phil.  He gave up His rights when he didn't use a condom.  Where do men get off thinking that it should be left up to the women to do all of the "responsible" thinking and actions?  If they want it to be one sided then there should only be one person involved in the actions.
 
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April 21, 2006, 2:58 pm PDT

about Dad not wanting to be responsible

To the man who is going to court to avoid paying child support because he did not want a child.  Even if she said she could not get pregnant, you would think you would still want to protect yourself not only against an unwanted pregnancy, but also STD's.  You are taking your life in your hands these days. 

But now that the child is here, be a man stand up and take care of your child.  Whether you wanted the child or not is no longer the issue, the child is here and why should that child suffer because you are selfish? 

I raised my children alone because their father whom I was married to, decided not to participate in their lives, we divorced due to his abuse of me.  But even though I did all I could, every child needs a father and not having one has huge impacts on children.  I know, I did not have a father and my children did not have a father, that was his choice not mine.  The choice you are making is going to hurt your child, and rather than thinking about what you did or did not want, that child deserves to be loved and deserves a father. 

 
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