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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

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I don't understand the debate.....he has the same rights that she does.....nothing is being violated.
I payed child support for 5 years and had 3 of my I.R.S. refund checks taken and was led to believe that the child was mine and i finally decided to get a DNA test done and the child wasnt even mine and i got nothing back after i dished out 25,000 dollars plus.......i lost count and 5 years of a nightmare and a gang load of  drivers license suspensions. Nice Mens rights.....the system and the state of Florida is a joke and the man always gets beat. My suggestions to ANY male with a pregnant sugnificant other GET A DNA TEST AT THE HOSPITAL THE DAY THE BABY IS BORN.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

Ladies it's up to us to stop this mess!

Okay ladies and gentlemen we all know where babies come from and it seems to me it's up to us women to stop this. We are the only ones who can. Women we are the ones who get pregnant. If you can't afford to raise a child on your own and I mean without govenment assistance either (tax paying people weren't in the bed with you so why should we pay you to raise your children?) then we should do all we can in our power not to get pregnant even if a doctor says we can't. 

  

I had a long term boyfriend who expressed his wishes not to be a biological father and as such we did all we could to prevent it. Condoms, foam, and the three month shot that makes a women an it. I repected his wishes to bad his next girlfriend didn't. 

  

I didn't want the chance of something happening and having to hurt three people because of my poor judgment. I know today he still loves and respects me for the decision we made together. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

It will come to past

I support giving men the right to opt out of fatherhood for the following reasons:   

   

1.  This will force women to make better choices about intercourse and will therefore reduce the number of unwanted pregancies.   

   

2.  A particularly despicable type of violence, that concerning the disgruntled man forced to pay child support, will be eliminated.   


4.  Sex will become more genuine in terms of the union between man and woman.  This will turn the tide of the current run-away sexual revolution contributing to many of the social ills now seen in America.   

   

5.  Sexual unions that are formed, due to better choices made by women, will result in better, stronger, and more fit families.   

   

6.  The consequent greater selective pressure placed on men by women, will force men to become better at being "men" in order to secure a mate.  This will improve the quality of "fathers" as more men strive to excel in order to win the attention of a women.   

   

7.  The increased competition by men in order to secure a mate will "weed-out" the less desirable sex partners thus improving overall the health of the human species.   

   

I'm convinced this will come to pass even though the concept is quite disturbing to us now:  every generation has it's scourge; the problems we see facing famlies today due to our laissez-faire attitude about sex is one of ours that future generations will one day look upon with contempt.     


   

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

Choose Absentance or accept responsbility

There is a simple solution to this discussion choose absentance rather than sex if you aren't ready to be a parent. It is the only course that you can't be 100% sure of. There are still other ways to enjoy each other's company on an intimate level rather than having sex. To those men who believe that you can get out of being a father to a child because you told the mother that you aren't ready to be a father, well all I have to say is grow up. You brought a child in to this world, no maybe it wasn't exactly planned but you choose to pull your pants down. Put yourself in that baby's shoes and see how it would feel to grow up without a father there to teach you and stand by you because he was too darn selfish to accept responsibility for his actions. Your one action has a big impact on a life and the community whether you want to accept that or not. Maybe we should start putting chasity belts on those who aren’t ready to accept the consequences of their actions.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

Men and boys, you have no rights!

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This is to the father that was on the show with his lawyer.  This father said that his civil rights were violated by not having a choice in the decision of having a child.  He therefore thought that he should not have to pay for his child.  His reason was that he did not agree to have a baby, and should therefore not have to pay.  

   

Let's think about it this way:  People do not choose to get into a car accident.  However, when you drive a car, you know that there is a risk everytime that you get behind the wheel.  If a car accident happens, you have to pay.  It is not a choice, it is the law.  If this guy is going to have unprotected sex, he assumed the risk of pregnancy-regardless of the fact that the woman said she could not get pregnant.  Even if he wore a condom (which he did not), he still assums the risk.  I can be the best driver in the world, but I assume a risk when I get in the car.  I eve assume risk as a  passenger in a car.  He got this woman pregnant.  He must therefore pay for the result.  His rights were no more violated then the rights of victims of other "accidents."  And to shed a better light on this, no child is an accident.  That child was meant to be here.  He can choose to not be a part of that child's life-which is his loss-but he must financially pay for the consequences of his actions.  

You say HE got HER pregnant. No, no, no...she got herself pregnant by him. Why do we make the man out to be 'the perpertrator' or 'the guilty party'? Using the car accident analogy...if she deliberately crashed her car into his car she would have to pay all her own expenses and his. I have told my daughters that THEY have to take ALL of the responsibility when it comes to birth control because THEY ALONE will be the ones to undergo an abortion or a pregnancy. Women have to make sure there is a condom to protect themselves. Men should also assume ALL the responsibility because, the way the law stands now, HE will have to abide by HER wishes once she is pregnant. Boys and sons, you do not have equal rights so be very careful!
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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$500 A MONTH DOES NOT CONSTITUTE BEING A FATHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 you are absolutly right but on the flip side kids are in no way, shape or form cheap. Every little bit helps.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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 OK...Young ladies (w/o HUSBANDS) watch out. If you decide to have unprotected sex w/boyfriends ,lovers and/or married men and get pregnant and the court approves this law, you better get a full time job, get a skill and be prepared to support your child on your own for the next 18 (sometimes more) years.
Maybe this will be a good thing. Young women will have to think twice before jumping into bed and  think about the consequences. Now they know that they can bring the baby's daddy to court for child suppose.
no...untrue..we all will be paying for these babies...this will not pass and if it were to pass its will screw everyone....
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:01 pm PDT

Grow Up

I cannot believe where we have come in our society. Not only do people REFUSE to take responsibility for their actions but now we have to get lawyers and activists involved so this young man won't have to grow up. The sense of entitlement everyone has is disgusting. They want the right to have sex with who they want, when they want and yet NEVER have any forethought about what could happen. The issue is that if you don't want children then don't have sex. Plain and simple. Now this poor child is going to grow up with a huge burden. Not only did her father not want her but he made public, national statements as to how he despised being held accoutnable for her presence here on this earth. What a shame. It just shows how immature he still is. The responsibility and choice was his BEFORE conception. After that it is her body. Her choice. It may not seem fair but welcome to every mothers world. If we had a choice we would definately make men have the babies. There has to be some reward for 9 months of HARD WORK. The bottom line is that this young man is probably scared, mad and even feels trapped. That is exactly what that young woman felt as well. She just chose the higher ground by completing the pregnancy and stepping up to the challenge of parenthood. I only wish Matt could do the same. It has far greater rewards to be a father than to walk away.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:02 pm PDT

Choice of Fatherhood?

Part of growing up is accepting responsibility.  We don't get to choose everything in life. Sometimes we are given situations that are out of our control and what we do in that situation is what's important.  There is a child out there who's father has written off simply because he does not want to be a father at this point in time.  What's more important; his right to a choice or this child growing up thinking she wasn't wanted and is just written off?  Maybe he should spend his energy and time accepting this miracle in his life and making it the right time.  I think he's so obsessed with this idea of rights that he has forgotten his child's rights.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:02 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I chose not to be a father, and protected myself accordingly.  This woman lied about her cycle, and asked me to not use a condom, assuring me that she was in her safe period.  After pregnancy, she admitted to me that she lied about her menstrual cycle in order to get pregnant . She admitted that she knew she was ovulating, even though she told me initially that she was sure she wasn't. She told me she wanted to  draw me "closer to her"  She has aked for my forgiveness.  When I refused, she took legal action to force me to be a father.  How can she deceive me into getting pregnant and still have the law on her side.  

You wouldn't be in your situation if you had just protected yourself.  I don't feel sorry for you and think you ought to not claim "victim".  The only person that I feel sorry for is you new child.  Sounds like the parents have lots of growing up to do.  I wish you all well.  

 
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