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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 3:32 pm PDT

Unprotected Sex is not a sure thing

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...you DID NOT PROTECT YOURSELF accordingly. It was completely wrong of her to lie and incredibly selfish to conceive a child under these circumstances, but GIVE ME A BREAK!  

  

Why do you think she asked you not to wear a condom?? 

  

If you are going to practice "Catholic" birth control, get ready for a lot of children!! 

Unprotected Sex always has a chance of getting a woman pregnant.You should take responsiability for your daughter. Grow up!
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:32 pm PDT

biased opinion

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 I am in favor of the father, granted I think he should have worn a condom.  My fiance had a similar situation except he wore a condom and it broke. The woman told him it was physically impossible for her to get pregnant. My fiance told this woman that he did not want any more children , he has 2 from a previous marriage,. The woman did not tell him until she was past her first trimester and told him that she was keeping the baby and that she did not expect him to have anything to do with the baby if he didn't want to. After the baby was born she changed her mind and took him to court, and he now pays $500. a month. He took all the precautions and still ended up with a child he didn't want and doesn't see but he does pay for.
don't you think that your opinion is a little biased since this is your fiance your talking about, and she is the "other woman?" you are invested emotionally and financially in this argument, and i think you're wrong.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:32 pm PDT

responsibility

I am the mother of two wonderful children. The choice was made by both myself and their father to have them. I took responsibility before and after I had my children just like their father did. If either partner in a relationship would rather not have children, the ball should be in their court to prevent it. If you don't want to be a parent, take measures to prevent it. With all the technology out there these days no one has to be a parent if they choose not to be. A woman has alot of choices, before and after conception. Men, knowing the choice ends for them the second conception takes place, should use the brains God gave them to either put a condom on or take it like a man and step up tp the plate.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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FACT: He still had sex  

FACT: He still had unprotected sex.   

FACT: Some hot shot lawyer has talked him into filing a law suit that makes him look like a  cold hearted, self centered jerk. Get a grip- if you play, you pay.   

Grow Up Matt!!!!  

Fact: the government of the USA says everyone deserves equal protection under the law 

Fact: women can have sex yet still choose not to be a parent AFTER conception 

Fact: men deserve this same right/choice 

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Hello,  

  

I am just wondering about this topic discussed today dealing with this law suit about the boy not wanting to be a father and therefore not feeling obligated to contribute financially. I am just wondering, if the shoe were on the other foot and it was the man who wanted to keep the baby and the woman did not, if the man would have the legal right to take her to court and force her to carry the child and then keep it without her in the picture? I actually found this young man to be quite the coward. I am always surprised at how easily some people can run away from their uncomfortable situations:(  

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

Roe v. Wade for Men

It is my belief that whenever a man and a woman engage in a sexual relationship that THEY run the risk of a pregnancy.  Whether THEY like it or not, they both bear a responsibility for the child.  A man will from then on be a provider, whether he is in the child's life or not, and the woman will be the child bearer, provided she keeps the child.  Hopefully they will decide to make a life together and keep that child's welfare first and foremost.  

  

If a man wants complete assurances that a woman will definitely NOT get pregnant then he should abstain from having sex with her.  

  

The amount of child support is another issue altogether.  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

GET A GRIP!!

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Would you say that to a woman who believed a lying man ? Uh huh. Your hate of men and your hate of equal rights is showing. 

Thanks for pointing out that you don't believe that men have rights. That you believe that men should be slaves to whatever a woman wants to do. That is, of course, sexist bigorty. Yours. 

Now, lets imagine a woman who had sex with either no birth control, or BC that failed. Who 

will call her " WHAT A JERK !!!! WHAT AN IDIOT !!! WHAT A COMPLETE BRAIN DEAD FOOL !!!! " ? 

Well, we know... not you. That further proves your bigoted hate of men, which is very common  

nowadays. Well, bigotry is still... bigotry. Even when the hated group are men. Deal with that ! 

" Her body, her choice... HER *responsibility* ! " 

   

You seem to be the angry one!!!  

   

AND by the way, women get blamed every day for getting pregnant.  We ALWAYS have to take responsibility!!!  

   

The fact that the statistics prove that MEN (not women) are the biggest scum bags when it comes to being "deadbeat". DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY?????  

   

Because WOMEN always have to LIVE with the problem.  Men can just leave.....    

   

And by the way, I have heard people say, ALL THE TIME, "Well she is SOOOO stupid and brain dead for getting pregnant!!!!"  They have said things to women like that for years!!!!  

   

I guess you would never know that since you are so stuck in your own world!!! (Literally)....  

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

amen to this ^

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You made a conscious decision to have sex, and with that comes the possibility of fatherhodd. If you don't want to be a father then you should refrain from sex. Time you grew up.  But with your mindset, "your daughter" is better off without you. 
Despite needing to be constantly fed, comforted when crying, nursed, held, burped, soothed, and loved,  the man's new baby is still less selfish than the father and his cry for "my rights".
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

Autonomy

   It would be one thing if a woman couldn't support a child on her own, but that's not the case anymore.  As someone who decided 30 years ago to go ahead with an unplanned, uncommitted pregnancy, have the child and raise it, I think the worst thing the mother in this situation can do is whine about "our" baby.  It's HER baby, and she'll put together a family for him/her of people who participate voluntarily. Much healthier for the child!!  Having that child was the best thing I ever did, and I chose not to compromise my dignity by  pestering the father for support.  His loss, but also his choice. 

  The man on the show said that the woman had various choices he was denied, but he never mentioned keeping the child and raising her on her own.  That's probably the best choice for the mother, and she's free to make it. He's free not to participate, if that's his choice.  

  

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:33 pm PDT

It takes TWO!

 I'm sorry, but it takes two to make a child.  He should be responsible for his actions.  He knew fully that there are risks of conception if two people are to have unprotected sex, regardless of what medical situations someone is going through.  I personally have become pregnant while on birth control during my teen years.  My (then-boyfriend) didn't walk out on me, thankfully.  He is here today working a minimum wage job (as I am too) bringing home money and also going to school to get an even better job so he can provide for his new found family.  If  this man and his lawyers go through with this, saying that men can 'drop' their responsibilities altogether because they weren't ready to be a father yet, then (if my husband wasn't a wonderful man) he too could have said that I had told him I'm on birth control and had practically 'promised' that we wouldn't get pregnant when we weren't using protection.  And then turn around and say he wasn't ready to become a father (like I was ever ready to become a mother too, same thing with his wife if she was told she couldn't have children - what a shock!).  I believe things happen for a reason.  Thankfully we have other men out there, just like my husband who can give men a good name and live up to their responsibilities instead of trying to find an easy way out of any situation.  I may be rambling, but I don't think his daughter would appreciate the fact that her biological father had 'chosen' not to be apart of her life, even financially.  My biological father never was and it did hurt.  I hope that he realizes that he is affecting his biological daughter's life and he should grow up and do something positive about it instead of trying to dash the other way.  We are in our early twenties, expecting our second child and we had to change our whole lives.  It isn't easy, but I have to tell you, it's well worth it.  It's morally right.
 
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