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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

Men should have to take responsibility

My name is Kim and I am a mother of 5, I do believe that men should have to take responsibility for the children they create. The three of our older kids have other parents that aren't involved at all. I have two kids from the same father adn my husband has one child from someone else. Niether of the two other parents have anything to do with our kids, they dont pay child support and they dont pay any attention to our older kids, no birthday presents or phone calls, no christmas presents or phone calls. To us it is a blessing but to our kids they feel the hurt. We are the parents in this family and we feel blessed not to have to deal with the other parents. My oldest daughter was Diagnosed with Leukemia last year and was very sick on life support and in I.C.U. for almost two months, still her biological father doesn't have any part of her life, my husband however (the one whom she calls dad and knows she can count on) was there the whole time. I still believe if the other parent whether it be father or mother should be financially responsible to help with the care of the child, even if they don't want to be a part of the childs life.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

Abstinence

It is easy for a man to say I don't want to be a father.  Unfortunately, the man does not risk anything by having unprotected sex.  If they don't use a condom or abstain, then being a father could be the consequence of their actions.  It amazes me that Matt said, I choose not to be a father at this time.  If that truly is what he chooses, then he should have chose not to have sex.  You can't have your cake and eat it too.  The men's rights activist and attorney also kept eluding to the fact that he told this girl he didn't want to be a father, well at the time she may not have had any thoughts of ever becoming a mother but things happen and the child is here now. He has a obligation as the biological father to support this child. His arguments are a lame excuse to get out of paying child support.  I applaud Dr Phil for interjecting the comment about not hearing anyone mentioning this child. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

I am a woman and on this subject I have to agree with the guy.  I have seen too many men be taken for by women who get pregnant.  The biggest thing is if they want to get married and then think if they get pregnant the guy will "do the right thing" and marry them.  And then when that back fires they go after them finanically so it is a win win situation for them.  Yes both are responsible but I have seen too many women manipulate the laws.  I believe there should be different child support laws for people who were married with children compared to people who were dating.  According to the Pennsylvania Child support system "The Support Guideline was developed on the idea that the child(ren) of separated or divorced parents should receive the same proportion of parental incomes as if the parents were together".  How can you award someone child support payments when they never were together.  Dating is not the same as living together and sharing bills and that?  It encourages women to find men making decent money and then try to get them.  And women do have all the choices.  The men have none.  A woman can go and have an abortion and never tell the guy or go and put it up for adoption and he has no say.  She makes all the calls whether he will be a daddy or not.   And I have people who the fathers are envolved and it makes for a bad situation for the child.  A lot of times the mother or father will bad mouth the other in front of the child.  How can any of this be good?  Mistakes and accidents happen but both should have a say not just one.  
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

Baby War

I had some things earlier and also I think that if a women gets pregnant and knows that the guy is not the father but gets child support anyways and then it comes back the child is not his then the women should have to pay all that money back for the deception , because that is wrong for the man and also the child involved.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:50 pm PDT

Don't want to be a dad? Don't have sex

With all protections there is a chance of pregnancy, so if he was this seriouse about not becoming a dad he shouldn't have sex in the first place.  

  

The choice of abortion was originally for rapes and other extrime situations.  

There is no equality between man and woman in bringing a child to the world; he slept with that lady for howlong ? 10 minutes ? and he wants to have a right not to father the child. She had this baby growing in her for 9 months and gone through all kinds of emotions, that's why she has these rights because a mother is already bonded with the baby that is being born vs the dad who gets to know the baby from the birth.  

The thought of fatherhood is very scary for most men, and that why they shouldn't have the right to leave fatherhood.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:51 pm PDT

time to step up and be responsible

I think there are a couple of points being missed here. One being NEVER assume anything. Even taking the possibility of pregnancy out of the picture, what about STD's? Did he think of that, did she? Obviously not. If this woman told her partner she could not get pregnant it is entirely possible she thought that was true. I know a man who's wife was on the pill and he used a condom AND she still got pregnant. Go figure. There were two naked people in that bed. Second point: It is both parties’ responsibility to take care of their own health and well being. And if the gentleman (and I use that term loosely) did not want children, then he needed to make sure he didn't take any risks that could lead to that. This an't Disneyland Todo. By the way, how many men have told women they have had a vasectomy and have lied because they didn’t' want to wear a condom? Don’t tell me that doesn’t happen, and then gee, its the woman’s fault again, because she should not have believed what some guy told her and should have taken care of herself.
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:51 pm PDT

Piping Mad

  I am a woman, and  I so wanted to rip this guy apart, but you know what, I can't. I can totally see where a man wants some rights to the decision making. Women have all the control, and the courts don't care, if your woman cheats on you, but doesn't tell you and the man finds out the baby is not his,--who pays--whoever is on the birth certificate, not who the biological father is. That definitely needs to change. I think there should be paternity tests done in the hospital and the results should be revealed BEFORE the signing of the birth certificate.  

  I also feel for the baby, he wouldn't even look at her, and boy was she cute. I am wondering if he is purposely avoiding contact so he doesn't fall in love with his daughter. You know, if he accepts her he may have to drop the case.  

  I also feel for the young woman, what if she were told that she could not conceive? I know I would not abort or give up a baby that could be considered a "miracle". This should be an interesting subject to follow, especially since they may be revoking ROE V. WADE anyway. Then where will this go since they are using this case as their road map?  

 
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April 21, 2006, 3:51 pm PDT

you play you pay

I think that any guy that is or thinks he is ready to have sex should know or be ready to take care of a kid if your going to play then you r going to pay. Guys grow up this is nuts the way everone is trying to make a big deal out of everything these days. don't have sex if you don't want a kid
 
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April 21, 2006, 3:51 pm PDT

Men don't want to be a father?

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Men... don't want to be a father? It doesn't surprise me, I know that. Now about an argument about a foolish debate about should men avoid fatherhood. If they want to do that, then don't get involved with someone. There is no such thing as men avoiding fatherhood, well... I should say they could probably do that but when that child grows up, they will hunt the father down like he was a moose, that's if he don't make any kind of contact to their kid.

I agree, if they don't want to be a father, then don't play.  Remember you can only jump from the fire into worse situations and that is always what people should think about.  However, think of this, DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD HAVE THEM DO UNTO YOU!  Live your life this way and things just might change.  Try it for a month and lets see what happens. 

  

Matt can always get a vasectomy and have it reversed later in life, so where's his responsibility now????????  Don't want to be a Daddy, Father, whatever, then take responsibility for that before the FACT not AFTER! 

  

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April 21, 2006, 3:51 pm PDT

GET REAL!!!

I am so sick of men saying they have no rights when it comes to pregnancy.  If they don't want children, then they should take precautions as in having a vasectomy or abstinance.  Why do they always think the woman should be made to carry a baby to term if she doesn't want to?!  They do have the right to keep the baby if the mother is putting the baby up for adoption, providing the man knows about the pregnancy.  If only MEN would TAKE RESPONSIBILITY by having a vasectomy or always using a condom (or a sock as they prefer to call it).  Why does Matt think the rest of us should pay to raise HIS child on welfare?  I never wanted children in my early years so I took precautions and never became pregnant.  And I would never play a trick on a man to have a baby because I AM the product of what my own mother did and therefore have never known who my father was, he was not the man she was married to at the time...  So my question to Matt is, why do you think YOUR BABY IS NOT YOUR RESPONSIBILITY?  You made your choice when you had unprotected sex.  What would you be saying if she had given you AIDS instead of a baby?  The door swings both ways, it is half your fault that she became pregnant, it is not my fault  or any of the other tax payers of this country.  Maybe your parents want to be grandparents to this little girl, you are so selfish you make my stomach turn!  Grow up and spend your money on your child instead of that attorney that is totally clueless to what being a parent is.  

 
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