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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 4:09 pm PDT

Bravo

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I really think that men should have more say in having babys,  if they do not want the baby, and make this clear, they should not have to pay, or be in this babys life. she did not have to have this baby. she chose to have it, thats really the bottom line. I think men should have more rights and say in the pregancy as well. If they women does not want to have a child and he does, he should have the right to be a father. I am a mother of 4, I normaly would side with the women on alot of things, but not this. he should have the right to walk away.
This is an Equal Rights issue and many people on the boards aren't getting that. Women can not pick and choose only the equal rights that are in their favor.
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:09 pm PDT

Impossible to be equal in this matter

The man on this show is arguing for equality on an issue that is inherently un-equal. Men cannot get pregnant. End of story. Therefore, the one who CAN get pregnant is the one who has the right to decide what happens to the baby. Men have three choices when it comes to preventing pregnancy: use a condom, get snipped, or abstain. He has complete control of all three choices. That's where his power lies. The man on the show gave away his power when he had unprotected sex. He disgusts me, quite frankly. I have to wonder how his mother feels about his actions?
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:09 pm PDT

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I just wanted to say I was so happy to see the Sleep Lady on the show today.  She saved me from many nights of lost sleep.  My pediatrician recommended her when my son was 18 months old because I hadn't slept in 18 months!!  After trying every other bit of advise I had gotten, I tried the Sleep Lady Shuffle and he was sleeping through the night in a week.  I have since had a beautiful little girl and made sure I purchased the Sleep Lady's Good Night Sleep Tight book before she was born.  I am so glad I did because she is 10 weeks old and only gets up once a night.  I am so glad I don't have to go through the sleepless nights again!  I have made this a baby shower gift must have. for all my friends.  I love the Sleep Lady!!  :-) 
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:09 pm PDT

women has responsbilities too!

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While I think men should have their responsibility too, I agree with what you're saying.  Women have fought long and hard to have a choice on whether or not to have the child they are carrying ( Whether it's abortion or adoption- although I think adoption is a better choice so it's gives the kid a chance).  People say "Then he shouldn't have sex with the woman".  Sex is a two way street (Unless it's rape).   

Please, no hate replies. I'm not making a fight, just an opinion.  Men should live up to their responsibilities as women (Or give their baby a good home or whatever's right for the situation), but the whole thing is so one sided.   

Yes, I'm a woman.   

   

I'm actually surprised this hasn't come up before now. I keep hearing about the man keeping it under control....what happened to HER responsibility? The difference is SHE has choices and he doesn't. Seems to me if she had no choices she might just be more careful. IT TAKES TWO TO TANGLE! I guarantee you if I did not want a child I would make sure it was not possible...one way or another. I take responsibility for MY actions. In the first place, taking a human life should NEVER be a choice but since the courts have overlooked that, then men should have rights too. If I mess around and get pregnant and that guy does not want to support the child, what makes you think that child is going to be better off with him in their life? If our first priority is the child then #1... Killing the child is not best for him or her, #2... As a women I have to step up to my part  and not ask for money from somebody not interested in my child, #3... If I am not able to care for my child then maybe I should give them up for adoption....(we ARE talking about what is best for the child). Sometimes there is no better way to show love for your child , #4... Abstain if you are not going to protect..YOU tell him, "wear a condom or NO sex! PERIOD....DONE DEAL". So the bottom line is, that women could have said no to sex without a condom as well as he. He believed her and maybe she believed the Dr. but she still had the same responsibility to protect. Mutual sex demands mutual choices. Women, don't tell the man if you don't want him involved except for the money! If he doesn't know, he can't demand anything.......but then neither can we. SO.....WHAT IS BEST FOR THE CHILD? Each women is going to have to make that decision. Do I tell or not? Do I want him involved or not? Do I want his money bad enough to involve somebody that would not be good for the child? Better have these questions answered BEFORE you risk having unprotected sex. BK, Ark.
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:10 pm PDT

Not wanting a baby....

I personally think that if you aren't not wanting a baby then simply don't have sex.  it's that simple.  if you are out to get pleasure there are many other ways of getting pleasure without haveing intercourse.  Yes both men and women have the choice to prevent pregnancy by saying no to sex or by using protection in the means of birth control or a condom.  This guy on the show today said that condom's aren't 100% affective either... U know what I think... He obviously shouldn't be having sex if he isn't going to handle the consequences of his actions and he obviously isn't mature enough to be a father anyway.  This woman who is raising the baby and trying to be a good mother understands the consequences and I give her a thumbs up for it but if they both didn't want a baby in the first place they shouldn't have had sex or protection should have been used.  Ladie's and Gent's... No Glove No Love.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:10 pm PDT

What about the baby?

I know my position on this matter will seem "old fashioned" - but what happened to getting married FIRST and then having sex?  Our society, the media, the movies, have all made the sexual act into a "sport", "recreation", a "right", just having fun.  Males have been brought up to believe that they need not  learn to control their urges, they can do whatever they want and if a baby is created, the girl pays the price.  Well, maybe the male urges are strong, but God gave them a brain to control their actions - in all that they do in life, including abstaining from sex..  It's just that society and their PARENTS haven't taught them RESPONSIBILITY and RESPECT.  Boys, just keep your pants zipped and keep yourselves out of situations where you are overwhelmed and out of control.  I once worked for a man who said he was going to keep his girls locked in the basement until they were 38.  I think it is the boys who should be in the basement - unless, of course, they learn how to respect a girl/woman, control themselves and take responsibility of their actions.  That old "boys will be boys" attitude is an antique folks.  If they play the game, they should pay the price.  

   

Too bad Matt didn't want to be a father...the correct answer is then - abstain from sex.  An easy solution.  No lawsuit needed!    

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:10 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

I have to say that there was quite a lot of dancing around the point of "responsibility". He mentioned that she had told him she was on the pill. Well if he's as educated in the birth control arena as he tried to portray himself, why didn't he double up with a condom?? Taking someone's word of being unable to concieve is a double-edged sword. Was the source reliable? Did he research that information? If he wants to make a battle over "rights" to support/not support a child, I think he should've taken more responsibilty over the prevention of pregnancy rather than assuming it already had been. This debate is going to open a flood gate. Don't get me wrong though, deceiving someone is wrong if that indeed had happened. I am happy, though, that she had stepped up to take reponsibility of that child as she is beautiful....  

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:11 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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But that is the risk your fiance took!

Condoms, even when they don't break are not fool proof!!!!

You use a condom as birth control you take on the percentage of risk written on the box.

Uterus's grow baby's...all they need is a egg and a sperm to hang around and attach...He put his sperm in her uterus willingly. He is responsible for what happens.

He should have taken her up on her offer to not have anything to do with the baby while it was on the table. He didn't. So he should pay and step up.

Too bad your fiance doesn't see his child, it makes me very sad to think of all the years my father and I wasted. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:11 pm PDT

Unbelievable

Did anyone notice that they never stated what exactly the man's choice should be? Are they saying that a man should be able to force a woman to have an abortion or just not be financially responsible? And if the man is given that choice to not be financially responsible, who picks up the tab? In many cases, it just might be the state. Is everyone OK with that? And can you imagine if they did pass this "equal rights" law? There are already alot of "men" who have 5 or 6 children by different mothers (I know of a few personally) that never contribute in any way in the suport of thier children. Imagine telling "men" like them, "Hey, there is no more consequences to having sex with as many women as you want. If they get pregnant, don't worry, you have NO responsibility whatsoever!" I am one of those that did get pregnant on the pill, it DOES happen. And as far as the doctor that diagnosed this girl as being infertile, it is never 100% accurate. That is why they call it "practicing" medicine... :) Taking away the support for the child is only punishing the child, who is the innocent one. Now, if a girl tricks a man into getting her pregnant, there should be some form of punishment. It is fraud, that is illegal. I just don't think that punishment should be taking away the support for the child.
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:11 pm PDT

BOTH PARTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE

THE MAIN POINT WITH THIS SITUATION IS THEY HAD SEX.  PLAIN AND SIMPLE AND THERE ARE TWO SURE THINGS THAT TWO PEOPLE NEED TO THINK ABOUT OR DO THINK ABOUT BEFORE:   SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES OR PREGNANCY.  NO MATTER WHAT THE SITUATION BOTH PARTIES ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THERE ACTIONS AND I'VE HEARD IT A MILLION TIMES SAID TO GUYS IN MY LIFE, IF SHE TELLS YOU SHE CANT GET PREGNANT USE PROTECTION ANYWAYS!!  BECAUSE NOW THERE IS THIS BABY AND SHE WILL PROBABLY NEVER KNOW HER FATHER AND THAT HURTS AND LEAVES AN EMPTY SPOT IN YOUR HEART YOU ALWAYS WONDER WHERE YOU CAME FROM AND WHAT YOUR DAD WAS LIKE AND HIS PARENTS?  I KNOW BECAUSE IT HAPPEND TO ME.  SO REALLY THE ONLY ONE THAT GETS HURT HERE IS THE CHILD AND LIKE DR. PHIL SAID DOES ANYONE CARE ABOUT THE BABY?  WELL DO THEY?
 
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