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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

Matt

The title of "single mom" seems to be an accepted title now, while it used to be most unacceptable. It is too common today and should be frowned on.  

For the good of all concerned the baby should be put up for adoption. The girl is guilty of untruthful advertising.   

  

If Matt can prove her statements, then he should not be responsible for care & upkeep.   

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:20 pm PDT

how in the world is being a parent a lesser job?

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Sex is fun, and sex makes babies. If you are really opposed to having children, then you should not be having sex.   

   

Yes, women have alot of power. We put out or not. We abort or not. I understand how that can seem terribly unfair. But here's the flip side. We carry the baby. We loose bone and blood for them We sit up at night while they cry. We take lesser jobs so we can spend time with them.   

   

Men do none of these things. I have been in a situation where I was on the pill and got pregnant anyhow. I chose to keep my son, how could i not, the creator himself chose me to raise him. I was young and poor and had to take state health insurance (medicaid).   

   

To get the medicaide,  I had to tell who the father was, even though he didn't want anything to do with us. I know for a fact that he has a support order against him that he isn't paying.   

   

BUT THAT ISN"T THE POINT  

   

The point is what is best for the baby. I have a child, that fact alters my life permanetly, If the guy has to pay a little child support, then so be it. But if he was so opposed to being a father, he should have gotten himself fixed. Its a quick and easy operation done in an out patient setting.  

 "Lesser job" to spend time with kids"? How is that a sacrifice? How many professional careers are unsatisfying because parenting failed?
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:21 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I feel that these poor guys who have sex with these women who "say" they are on the pill, who are being totally deceived, should not be held responsible for a child if he doens't want to be. In fact, a law should be made that if the woman gets pregnant, a judge should decide whether or not she be allowed to keep the child without recieving child support, if the father didn't want to be a father, or, she should be made to put the child up for adoption. There have been absolutely too many young mens lives ruined because of deceiving women, and these women are not held accountable for their decieving actions. In todays family courts, the women have been getting away with ruining mens lives for too long, and yes, Dr. Phil, I too feel sorry for the children, but, if those children were to be adopted by loving parents who "want" them, there would be no reason to feel sorry for them. And if the mother can financially support the child on her own, more power to her, men should have the option of "wanting" to be parents, and supporting their children, but, not be forced. This young man's attorneys are correct in saying the woman has all the choices, and the man has none. And that's not fair. And being an unmarried man, not wanting to support a child that he didn't want in the first place, does not constitute a "dead beat Dad". There is definitely a difference between a man who is married and runs out on his wife and children, and a man who is just on a date and being decieved by the woman he's dating. In my opinion, it is these women that are committing the crimes, not the men, and the men should not bear the punishment.
dating shouldn't be about sex, they were both wrong, for chances are they took advantage of each other......
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:21 pm PDT

He said, she said

If this lawsuit came out favorably for this guy, almost every unwed father would jump on the bandwagon and fight child support saying they shouldn't have to pay  "because she told me she was on the pill".  This has absolutely nothing to do with equality of the sexes and everything to do with a jerk trying to avoid personal responsibility.    

   

If I had a son I would teach him never to depend on someone else being responsible for birth control.  I would teach him that every time he has sex with a female, he is taking a chance on impregnating her.  Even if he uses a condom, there is still a chance of a resulting pregnancy.  Guys - don't have sex with women you wouldn't want to be the mother of your child.  Gals - same goes for you.    

   

But now the baby is here - she is beautiful - and this guy feels nothing for her.  He is even cruel enough to say he would possibly make a decision to put her up for adoption even though her mother loves her and wants her.  Listen dude, life happens, everything is not always according to your ideal fantasy.  You took a chance and Elizabeth (a real live person) is the result.  Now you have to live up to your responsiblity to her, at least financially.  As the old saying goes, "You made your bed, now lie in it."  

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

Legal Abandonment

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Hey everyone!  Don't forget the best point of all!  His lawyer suggested that she should have abandoned the baby and left it to die before making him responsible.  Remember he said it is legal in some states.  How messed up is that opinion being used to argue this case.  Let's all dump babies in the street instead of make sure they are safe!

You misunderstood what was meant by abandon the baby. In some states it is legal to bring you baby to a hospital or firehouse and leave the baby in their care without having to give your name or age. The child would then be giving a medical examination and finally placed into foster care.  

   

No one on the show said that the baby should be dumped in the street to die. I guess you aren't aware of this law that exists in some states.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

Selfish Dad

  

Matt, here's why you are responsible:  YOU got her pregnant.  If she got you pregnant then she would be responsible!  Of course it takes two to make a baby, but she will be doing all the work (and labor) and child rearing.  So you should do your part and help financially.  AND it's just the right thing to do. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:22 pm PDT

NOT ALWAYS TRUE!!

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Why doens't that young man just terminate is parental rights, like other fathers and mothers do when they put their child up for adoption!  If he terminated his rights, he would no longer be considered the legal father,  or pay c hild support...(which is  his whole motive for not wanting to be a parent.;.doesn't want to pay).  Just terminate your rights....duh!!!

In some states even if a father gives up his legal rights he must tstill pay child support. My best friend in CA has a daughter whos father didnt want anything to do with her, so he went to court and signed away his rights and the judge said that fine but you are not getting out of supporting a child you helped make. He now pays $900 for a child he didnt want anything to do with. 

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:23 pm PDT

Dad who's suing b/c ex had a baby

This is absolutely ridiculous!!! How can this man, or I should say boy, be upset?! This is what happens when people have sex, much less, unprotected sex. She told him she couldn't get pregnant?! WHO CARES?! There's been men who've gotten vasectomies and somehow still got their wife/sexual partner pregnant. I'm sorry but he shouldn't have just trusted the fact that she couldn't get pregnant. This is the result of 2 people who had sex and hadn't really discussed what would happen if they became pregnant. Also, if he has an issue with the fact that women are given the choice of whether or not to give birth, he needs to take that up with the higher being. Not the courts! 

 

 

 
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April 21, 2006, 4:23 pm PDT

The REAL Issue

I believe the real issue is all the Dead Beat Dads out there that are going to use this new Roe v. Wade argument as a way to keep from taking care of their emotional and financial responsibilities.  If a man and woman engage in sex and create a child - it is both of their responsibilties to care for the child.  Which party is more at fault than the other is not the issue, taking care of a precious infant is.  Both parents - male and female - are responsible.  If people are going to partake in sexual activities, they must be aware that an unplanned pregnancy can occur.  I don't believe in this day and age there is anyone out there that doesn't understand that.  Too many people (mostly men, but there are dead beat moms out there too) have chosen to walk out on their child(ren) just because they weren't prepared  or ready for parenthood.  There are some errors in judgement that we make as human beings - but as human beings it is our responsibility to pick ourselves up by the bootstraps and do what we know in our hearts and heads is right - even if its not always easiest way. 
 
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April 21, 2006, 4:23 pm PDT

Unprotected sex - you pay consequences

That so called man that brought his "flaky" attorney to the show to defend him for having unprotected sex and then wanted to be completely free from the reponsibility of raising and or paying for that beautiful little boy should be taken completely out of the little boys life.  The mother appeared to be neat, clean and attractive along with loving the child.  She will have no trouble finding someone to care for and love her and that little boy.  Tell "worthless" to hit the road along with his so called attorney.  

 
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