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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 21, 2006, 6:46 pm PDT

Just wear a condom!

In this time of AIDS, & so many sexually transmitted diseases, would you believe her if she said she didn't have any of the above?  Then, if you got one, would you sue her?  Or, maybe die in the near future, as in the case of most AIDS-infected people?  What are all the women to do when they believed that their husband,  or significant other, wasn't out getting AIDS or STD's?  What's their recourse?   Are they supposed to sue, get political, spend years in the court system?  At least women have DNA tests now to help them support their claims of paternity.   

   

I'm sorry, but I don't see a solution to a lot of these questions in the near future.  I think a lot of them could be answered, like for the next couple in the show, when men will be able to become pregnant.  Or when Dr. Phil grows hair.  That is just probably not ever going to happen, except maybe after a giant nuclear war.  Sorry, Dr. Phil, but can't you just see yourself as a big chia head after you survive an atomic bomb strike on Los Angeles?   

   

Like he said, condoms are not fool-proof, but at least it does prove ya tried.  There are just prices for unprotected , & protected, sex sometimes.  I know, I hate condoms myself, & I'm a woman.  Women get pregnant when they're on the birth control pill sometimes.  Sometimes babies just happen, so  grow up, quit blaming everyone else, face it, be a man, & realize that you're not going to change much in the natural order of the world by trying to get political, mobilizing the down-trodden men, and going through the courts.    

   

Plus, aren't you guys spending more time and money to fight this battle than you would pay in the $300 a month?  Oh, yeah, your ex-girlfriend & your baby will be living in the lap of luxury on this.  I know, $300 is a lot when you only make minimum wage, but you have to pay the price for a few times of glorious, non-condomless sex, to put it totally non-emotionally.  Plus, emotionally, that is your child.  Grow up, become a real man, accept that you screwed up, pay the price, meet your child, love him.  Because what lesson are you really showing him now?  Oh, well.   

   

Do you have parents alive?  What do they think?  Maybe they should be allowed to hug this grand-child?  What if you got killed in an accident tomorrow?  That might be their only grandchild.  It's possible, you know.  Then, maybe they'd be fighting for the right to participate in the life of this child, and change their minds, if they were on your side, as most parents are, right now.     

   

I don't have any answers, but I do know that that sure was a cute baby in those pictures.     

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:48 pm PDT

The flip side

Well for one thing, I truly do agree with the young man. He was for ONE lied to by the Girlfriend,she made a choice to continue with this pregnancy. Now the flip side to this is .. WHAT IF  she wanted to have an abortion and he wanted that child. I bet it would be against her  Human RIGHT to FORCE her to have a baby that SHE didn't want and he did, so in other words the man has no choice at all about if he wants a child or not? I agree it is the part of both to protect themselves,But isn't it the right of both to decide what to do if the woman gets pregnant and it be AGREED UPON? I think the law is EXTREMELY one sided on this issue ...not to mention on child support laws as well!!! Might I add, I am a lesbian who does not have children nor have I ever wanted children,  but I call it like I see it! I think there would be alot less people on welfare and and other government assistant and not to mention lighten some the child support courts up if things were a little more balanced, AND FAIR!!!  

  

                     Christine  

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:51 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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I was appalled and dismayed that this man would actually have unprotected sex which resulted in (surprise, surprise) a pregnancy and state that it is his legal right not to be responsible financially or otherwise for his own child.  He wants the pleasure of sex but not the possible consequences of fornication.  I say, stop having sex, then you are absolutely guaranteed to not produce offspring.   

  

A man not taking care of his offspring is, of course, a "dead beat dad".  This is the epitome of lack of personal responsibility.  Where did he think babies come from??  The possible consequences of having sex protected or not are STDs and/or pregnancy (condoms may break).  Would he sue his ex-girlfriend for becoming HIV positive if that was the result of not using a condom?  

  

I feel sorry for the mom and the child.  What a terrible father! 

  

  

If Matt doesn't want to be a Father than he should stay away from females and use the 2 hands that he was born with for his satisfaction.
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:51 pm PDT

I hope he wins his battle also!!!

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I am a 58 yr old woman and I'll make this short and sweet.  Men should have the same rights as women!! 

  

If women expect the same rights as men, women should be ready, able and willing to give men equal rights as well. 

  

He was lied to by the mother of his child.  Had she not told him she absolutely could not have children due to a medical situation, I'm sure more precautions would have been taken. 

  

I hope he wins his battle! 

I hope he wins his battle also!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:51 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Does this sound like a woman who trapped a guy into fatherhood?  Sure does to me.  You know, when a woman gets pregnant, no one would DREAM of forcing her into motherhood and eliminating her choice for abortion by simply saying "you should have kept your pants up."  But, somehow it's ok to say to a man.   

Maybe it's because I have so little respect for men.  Especially for a man who says something like, "Does this sound like a woman who trapped a guy into fatherhood?  Sure does to me?"  You're all a bunch of idiots.  Except for Dr. Phil.  And that's probably because he has Robin and 4 sisters.  Keep it zipped, Buster.
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:52 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Matt is NOT "a sperm donor" as you claim, because sperm donors DON'T HAVE TO PAY $500.00 A MONTH FOR 18 YEARS when a woman chooses their sperm.  Sperm donors sign away all their rights AND responsibilities.  Matt has no rights but he certainly has responsibilities.

From the woman's point of view, an easy mark like Matt is MUCH better than a sperm donor because she can lie to him and drain him of money to support HER child -- and not even go to jail for fraud and/or theft.  And HE probably even payed for their dates!

No wonder almost all the sex change operations in the world are male to female.  Women sure have it easy.  Just find a man to screw and it's all handed to you on a plate...

Since when is having $500 a month to off-set the financial burden of a child having "it all handed to you on a plate?"  I challenge you to be the sole caretaker of an infant for one month and see how far you get on that. 

  

The only way I would classify Matt as an "easy mark" would be if she got pregnant by someone else and managed to trick him into paying child support for that child.  The only child he's being drained for is his own flesh and blood.  I object to him being classified as "father," but I have to agree with you, too.  He doesn't deserve to be called a sperm donor, either.  Sperm donors are productive members of society, providing an invaluable resource to people facing fertility problems.   

  

Matt certainly has rights, should he choose to excercise them.  He could visit the baby, or not.  He could help her to learn right from wrong, or not.  If the birth mother marries in the future, he could "cut his losses" and allow step-dad to adopt the baby.  He could even decide that he wants custody--surely with his dream team of lawyers he could somehow show she is unfit.  He could get the baby and sue HER for child support.   

  

Bottom line--BOTH parents are responsible for the children they choose to create.   Why should you or  I, as taxpayers, have to subsidize Matt's kid?  Because that's who pays when dead-beats like Matt don't.  

 
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April 21, 2006, 6:53 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

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Women get the lion's share of the choices in this issue because they get the lion's share of the concequences.  The day that a man can carry, deliver, and nurse the child, they can have all the choices they please!  

Hooray for you and your ability with words!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:53 pm PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

it makes me SO angry that this man is trying to get out of raising his child! EVERY time you take your pants off you know, whether you wanna be a dad or not, that there is a chance you could in deed get pregnant.  not every thing is a guarantee! if she says she can't get pregnant, so what!!! how many times do guys say that just so they don't have to wear protection!!!! he needs to step up, be a man, and quit whining!!!!
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:53 pm PDT

His responsibility

If he truly did not want to become a father, then he should have taken the responibility of preventing it.   If he feels so strongly about NOT becoming a father until he gets ready, then he should not rely on the women for prevention.   Let him take the responsibility upon himself and make sure that he is protected by supplying his own contraceptives (and I don't mean condoms ). Now that there is a child involved, it's time  to live up to his reponsibilities and show that he is a real  man.
 
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April 21, 2006, 6:54 pm PDT

He Did Have A Choice!!

And he chose NOT to wear a condom! What a loser! I couldn't believe the audacity of this "man" and I use the term loosely.  He shouldn't dare blame this on his ex-girlfriend-at least she is loving and caring for her baby. She didn't get pregnant alone. Maybe she really did believe she wasn't able to conceive, so what? He still should have worn a condom if he was so adamant about not wanting children. I don't feel sorry for him at all. I'm not saying this as a woman either. He needs to grow up and be a man instead of acting like a victim. One day when he is all "grown up" he will regret missing out on his daughter's childhood. I feel sorry for that poor baby who will one day find out just how much she wasn't wanted by her father  via viewing today's show. 
 
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