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Topic : 07/06 Baby Wars

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Created on : Thursday, April 13, 2006, 01:22:17 pm
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(Original Air Date: 04/21/06) Being a parent is hard enough, but what happens when Mom and Dad can't agree on how many kids to have, how to raise 'em and how to get ‘em to sleep?  Sometimes, it can lead to an all-out baby war! Matt's baby battle ended up in front of a judge and made headlines. He was ordered to pay child support for the baby he had with his ex-girlfriend, but he says he shouldn't have to cough up the money because she told him she wasn't able to get pregnant, and he told her he didn't want to be a father. He, his attorney, and the director of the National Center for Men discuss the lawsuit they filed, known as “Roe v. Wade for Men,” arguing that men should have a constitutional right to avoid fatherhood. Next, Dan says even though he and his wife, Lisa, already have four children, he wants just one more. Lisa has been pregnant on and off for 11 years and says she's closed for baby business. Will Dr. Phil help Dan see Lisa's point that four is enough? Then, a frustrated husband is camping out on the roof of his house and living in a tent. He refuses to go back to his bedroom until his wife moves their kids out of their bed and starts paying more attention to him. Can Dr. Phil get him to come down the ladder? Plus, a sleep expert has a simple method for getting your child to sleep through the night. See the plan in action! Share advice and talk about the show here.

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April 22, 2006, 11:22 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: kyrosemom

 So, if she had wanted to keep the child, but the guy said to have it sucked down the sink, would that be okay too?

I am sorry for men who get "oopsed". I find females who do that to be the lowest of the low. But with this little boy Matt, who knows what is the truth?

I just think men had it all their way for too many years. Now, they want to have even MORE say over women's bodies? No freaking way. To allow Matt to opt out like this, would be opening the worst can of worms. Men getting the full say in  what happens to the baby, no matter what. Men ordering abortions and skipping out on their duty.

Ya know? Life ain't fair.  Men cannot have the babies and go through no discomfort, or anything else concerning pregnancy. Until science or God makes a way for them to do so, they should grow up, keep it zipped and like an ADULT, realize that ANY sexual encounter can result in a baby. Geez, that  is Sex Ed 101, for gawd's sake.

[quote]Until science or God makes a way for them to do so, they should grow up, keep it zipped and like an ADULT, realize that ANY sexual encounter can result in a baby.[/quote] 

  

Words that are just as true for women as they are for men.  If a woman doesn't have enough money to support a child on her own then she should keep her own pants zipped and wait until marriage to have sex.  That system worked for thousands of years. 

 
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April 22, 2006, 11:23 am PDT

baby wars

Quote From: hrohio

I am glad that there is a man out there who agrees that this guy should be taking responsibility for his actions.  When I saw him on the show, all I saw was a whiny baby who did something he now regrets and hasn't gotten over it.  Be a man and face up to the decisions you've made!!  Everyone knows that when sex happens a baby can happen.  Couples who have been surgically sterilized have been known to get pregnant, these things can happen! It's called life and people reproduce.  This guy trusted his girlfriend's word and got "burned", the same thing that happens to thousands of females who trust their boyfriends when they say they will be around when the baby comes and then takes off.   

I hope that little girl never knows what her father said during that show, whether or not she has a good male role model in her life later on, it will tear her up inside to know how her real father feels.  

I agree that he will probably have trouble getting dates from now on, considering he went on national TV.  I guess he wasn't thinking about that either! 

I hope the courts turn his case down also, because as Dr. Phil said, this will create a trap door for dead beat dads.  They will have the law behind them when they want to be irresponsible and not deal with the consequences. 

I so do not agree.  I hope this young man wins.  It will be best for the baby.  She chose to get pregnant.  He said he didn't want to be a FATHER!!  He never said he didn't want to have sex.  So that would just make him a sperm donor.  I don't believe a man not wanting to be a FATHER would be a very good Dad.  She needs to accept her new little bundle of joy and raise HER BABY.   
 
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April 22, 2006, 11:30 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

Quote From: stupormom

Women get the lion's share of the choices in this issue because they get the lion's share of the concequences.  The day that a man can carry, deliver, and nurse the child, they can have all the choices they please!  

He had a choice - don't take anyone's word for anything and USE A CONDOM.  Yes, just like any other form of birth control - except abstaining - there is always a risk of a pregnancy for both sides.     

   

Just because you told her you weren't ready to be a father - you seem to think that makes you immune from any consequences. What kind of thought process is that?  Maybe she was just as surprised as you when she came up pregnant.  You seem hell bent on "you have a right to play, but nothing should happen you don't want to happen?"   What world do you live in?    

   

It's a gamble no matter who you are - have sex, have a chance of getting pregnant.  You played the game, now pay the price.  Nothing in this world comes without a price.  You were not responsible in your actions - no condom - so now be a big boy and pay the price.   If you always take someone else's word that Nothing can happen, then you are positively naive or downright dumb - take control of your own life and actions - wear a condom.  

   

With your attitude you are doing this child a huge favor by staying out of its life.  You say you want children some day on your own time schedule and on your own terms - I feel sorry for that child you have then - what if he or she doesn't live up to your expectations?  What "defense" will you use then?  What responsibility will you take then?  What if the child you do choose to have is not as smart, as atheletic, not as good-looking, or whatever else you can dream up - as you expected it to be?  Whose "fault" is it going to be then?  The genes from the mother?  How will you handle that?  I can't bear to think of what you will eventually put a child through down the road.   

   

I wonder also if you realize how whiny, irresponsible, and down right immature you sounded on the show?  I wonder how your parents feel right now seeing you and knowing they have a beautiful grandchild out there who you want to deny?  I hope they at least do the right thing and know this child,  if they have a better attitude than you do.   

   

I wonder what you do for a living?  I wonder how you will handle the business world in the years to come when life doesn't always play "fair" with you?  My guess is "not well".   

   

The man who appeared with you did you no credit at all.  Not your lawyer - the other one.  He seemed very combative, egotisical and not well informed.  You did yourself and your cause no good at all on the show today.  My guess is that more people laughed at you and your supporter than listened, much less sympathized.  Grow up.   

   

   

   

 

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April 22, 2006, 11:31 am PDT

Hahaha Matt is a HERO!

Quote From: goodzuno

If the facts are true:  

  • Matt's ex told him she had a condition prohibiting her from getting pregnant AND that she was on a birth control pill [curious as to why she would take the pill if she couldn't get pregnant....hmmmm...
  • His openness to his then girlfriend of not wanting to become a father

Then why should Matt be held resposible for the decisions his ex makes on her own after the superfluous event of her getting pregnant happens?  Sounds a little like entrapment to me.    

   

As for the unprotected sex Dr. Phil accused Matt of having with his ex, I disagree with the Dr. that a condom equals 100% protected sex in all situations.  If Matt and his ex-girlfriend had no STD's to spread to one another then wouldn't the "condition" she had and her use of birth control pills suffice as protected sex from her getting pregnant?  Given these considerations, I have a strong hunch that if polled the majority of men and women asked would opt not to use a condom....flesh-to-flesh intimacy is heightened without condoms and we all know that.   

   

Matt is heroic for standing up to a system that is heavily sided towards women in a situation like this.  Yet that system is approptiately in place for dead-beat fathers, not men who's only lapse in judgement was with whom their girlfriend was.  Of course the young child's wellbeing is the ultimate consideration in this case, and her feelings and opinions will take years to transpire.  I suspect, however, they will fall within the bounds of: "I resent my mother for forcing my bioligical father to emotionally and financially accept me against his intentions and wishes...it's a daily reminder of the wanting and love he doesn't have for me".  

   

And you think child is really going to think:   

   

"I resent my mother for forcing my bioligical father to emotionally and financially accept me against his intentions and wishes..."     

   

Maybe when the daughter grows up, she'll even look up her biological father & send him money because she resents how badly mother treated him, hmmm?   

   

You have an interesting way of choosing your "heroes".   

 
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April 22, 2006, 11:31 am PDT

responsibility

Quote From: kechim

Regarding the young man suing for his "Rights"; when becoming involved with a person, each takes the "responsiblilty" of their interaction. Be it the man or the woman who says "I can't make you pregnant" or "I can't get pregnant", each has the responsibility to take the necessary steps of precaution anyway. If conception occurs, both are responsible for their own actions and the results there of.
the man needs to grow up and put his self in the poor babys place one day befor he dieshe will be sorry for this roe verses wade for men just as the women who abort babys do. God fearing people need to intercede in prayer for all involved  in  this case and countrys eternal future.
 

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April 22, 2006, 11:38 am PDT

Babies & society will suffer...

Quote From: edepp1

I absolutely agree.  We, as women hold all the power.  I'm so sick of hearing this sickening type of story "a baby will bring us closer together" even though the relationship is a complete mess.  Men have been tricked by women over this issue for so long its disgusting that they cannot be sued for THEIR irresponsible behavior- misrepresenting their intentions, not giving the guy a choice wether to be there or not be there, aborting whatever and whenever they choose to... its despicable.  I hope this guy wins the law suit- maybe all these money hungry moms will think twice before tricking some unsuspecting man into fatherhood. 

I think deception is sickening too.  But all those guys CHOSE to show up for the conception.  The baby should not have to suffer just b/c mother is a liar.  If Matt's allowed to get away w/o paying for the baby HE helped create, BABIES will suffer, in many cases TAXPAYERS will be footing the bill, & fathers who were NOT deceived can lie & claim they were.  

   

And anyone who thinks women have all the power doesn't have a good understand of how modern American society works nor of history.  But since we have all the power, perhaps men should all stop having sex with us.  

 
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April 22, 2006, 11:39 am PDT

baby wars-the point noboby mentioned

 The point I didn't hear mentioned on the show is the most important fact in my opinion.  The reason the woman gets the choices is because she is the one with the baby growing inside her.  The man GETS the choice to stay or walk away from the responsibility.  The woman doesn't get that same choice.  She is REQUIRED to make a huge decision whether she wants to or not.  Then she has to LIVE with that decision for the rest of her life.  I think that since the man cannot give birth, therefore ever be put in that position, then he can't expect the same choices a woman gets.  She gets them because she HAS to make a choice. 
 

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April 22, 2006, 11:42 am PDT

She's being very real.

Quote From: gussilu

No man can make a woman have an abortion, it would be her choice!!  Yes thats right, SHE HAS A CHOICE, and so should the man.  If he doesn't want to be a father he shouldn't have to.  Woman should be responsible for their own bodies.  She chose to have sex with this guy, she should choose to protect HER body.  It sounds like all she wants from him at this point is money.  That is all custody battles are really about money.  Not the child.  Get real..........she wanted a baby, she's got one.  HER CHOICE!!
There are several people on this board claiming that since women abort a man's child without his permission, that men should have the right to force abortion on women.  I believe that's what she was responding to.
 
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April 22, 2006, 11:44 am PDT

04/21 Baby Wars

This Roe vs Wade for men is an embarassment for our culture.  Has our culture become so individualistic that we have no sense of family or obligation?I am ashamed to be in the same generation as Matt. I, waited to have sex until i was out of high school and  nineteen to start having sex ( I am nineteen now) Because I understood the consquences of sex. I did not want my parents burdened by my actions. I understand that what i do not only affects me but the people around me.  

Although i admit i am not financiallly prepared for a child , i am have come to terms that i will be held responsible for my actions and is willing to prepare for their consequences.  

 I don't really don't think their will ever be equal treatment for men or women when it comes to cases like this because we are not created equal biologically.Let's face it , it is a woman who goes through the pregnancy biologically while the man can impregenate many women.  

I think if men or women do not want to have children ( or anything else that comes along with having sex) they should simply not have sex.   

I think the reason why women have the choice of abortion or adoption is because they ultimately are made responsible for the children in our society.The women are the majority of single parent families. (I do acknowledge the the single parent fathers -you make me proud!)  

Don't forget. Arbotion affects the woman biologically and mentally. While it can only affect the man emotionally. Adoption have an affects on the women bioligacally (since they were pregnant)and mentally. While again for men only emotionally.  

Thank you for letting me express my opintion!  

 
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April 22, 2006, 11:45 am PDT

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I completely agree with twisted logic. My husband made a very poor choice nearly 4 years ago by having an affair with a woman he worked with. She had told everyone that she was pregnant by her husband. The fact of the matter is, she said she was already with child before she and my husband started an intimate relationship but she was lying. I am not saying that my husband was innocent in this wretched situation however, when you are already pregnant, you can't get any more pregnant by having unprotected sex. She assured him the baby was her husband's and there was no concern. Did my husband make the wrong choice? YES. Should he have been adult enough to just put on a condom and play it even safer?? YOU BET. But he didn't. He trusted what she told him.   

   

Nearly 2 years after we moved away, sought counseling, and got our marraige back on track, we received a knock on the door. Paternity papers were served and we went to court. She wasn't entirely sure who the father of her child was and since she and her husband were divorcing, she needed to know who to come after for child support. Unfortunately, my husband is the biological father and we are now forced to pay $$ to a woman we despise and a child we want no contact with. It infuriates me that myself and my husband were never told about the possibility of this child being his, instead we were assured time and time again that it was NOT. We moved on from a very bad time in our life and just as things were settling back into place she comes after us again.    

   

The laws are NOT on the father's side and that is just plain wrong. We preach about equal parenting and men stepping up to the plate and being Dad's. The bottom line is women will always hold more choices than men and men will always feel secondary. Sleeping with someone does make you incredibly vulnerable and yes, you must be willing to live with the consequences, but as a woman your choice(s)  in how to live with your consequences are plenty. How many does the man have?    

So your husband had an extra-marital affair with a married co-worker who he believed to pregnant....turns out she was lying (huge surprise that adulterers lie about things other than just the adultery!).   

  

You want laws changed to protect your men like your husband? Don't you just hate it when you it turns out the person you are having an affair with turns out to be MORE dishonest and morally reprehensible than you are? You really ought to be able to trust the married people you are sleeping with. 

  

You were a victim of your husband's unfaithfulness, but the REAL victim here is that child who didn't ask to conceived by two immature, irresponsible people. That child deserves the financial support despite the fact that you and your husband have "moved on."  

  

Forgive me if I don't rush out and petition my local congressman.  

 
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